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[gethomas3]

But a loser as a human being!
http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/files/2007/12/vollerrijkaard.jpg

So is that piece of shit Voller.

[Cris 09]

So is that piece of shit Voller.

So why don't you tell us how you really feel...:eek:

[gethomas3]

So why don't you tell us how you really feel...
You do know why Frank spit at Voller, do you?:rolleyes:

[Cris 09]

You do know why Frank spit at Voller, do you?:rolleyes:

Yes, I do - becuase, as previously stated, he is "a loser as a human being"! Is there really a justifiable reason as to "why"?

Besides, he spit on him THREE TIMES! And though I actually saw the game live and a few times since, not to mention the numerous highlighs and documentaries over the years, I cannot imagine what would possibly make one man spit on another.

So your son will come home from school early one day because he spit on a classmate but if he believes he had good enough reason then I guess you'll think it's ok, right? :rolleyes:

Show some ********ing class, will you. Frank did, he at least apologized!

1990 World Cup - Second round: West Germany 2-1 Netherlands

The shameful drowning out of each other's anthem prior to kick-off was the pre-cursor to the most tense meeting between the two in their turbulent history.

With over-the-top tackles de rigeur, the game explodes just before half-time.

Völler throws himself dramatically to the floor as he clashes with Rijkaard, conning the referee into giving the Dutchman a yellow card.

Rijkaard, furious, spits at Völler and grabs his hair, an altercation follows which earns the German a booking.

The German then got involved with Dutch keeper van Breukelen, provoking Rijkaard to spit on him again. A fight almost breaks out, both are sent off.

But as the two go off, Rijkaard spits on the German forward again, before the pair have to be seperated in the tunnel.

Frank Rijkaard: "I let myself get carried away by the situation when I saw the red card against me. I've spoken to Rudi since and apologised. He accepted my apologies, which made me happy."

Rudi Völler: "Today, Frank and I have made up, even though it took some time to get over this incident."


http://www.ajax-usa.com/desk/cheeseheads-vs-krauts-30-years-of-enmity.html

The ugliest and most eventful game in the two nations' shared football history. Before kick-off the Dutch supporters shout down the German anthem with boos and "Hup Holland Hup!" yells. The Germans reply by chanting "Deutschland! Deutschland!" during the Dutch anthem. The game is historically nasty. In the first minutes of the match Adri van Tiggelen badly hurts Pierre Littbarski. The tone's been set. Just before half time Völler dives to the grass after contact with a seemingly innocent Frank Rijkaard, who is booked for it. An angry Rijkaard is angry and spits in Völler's hair. The German shows it to the referee, to which Rijkaard reacts by pulling the German's hair. This time Völler gets a yellow card.



The subsequent free kick doesn't yield anything, but Völler is seen provoking goalkeeper Hans van Breukelen. Rijkaard intervenes once again, pulls Völler's ear and spits again, this time hitting the striker in the neck. After a near punch-up between the two, both are sent off. On his way to the dressing room Rijkaard runs past Völler - and spits again. In the catacombs the Dutchman reportedly grabbed the German by the throat. According to media reports a brief fistfight followed. Germany, meanwhile, ends up winning the game, which can be regarded as the climax of the hatred between the two countries. Völler was suspended for one game, Rijkaard for three.



Frank Rijkaard (Holland defender): "That day I was wrong. There was no insult. I always had much respect for Rudi Völler. But I went berserk when I saw that red card. I talked to him after the match and I apologized. I'm very happy that he accepted. I have no bad feeling about him now. We even posed for a very funny advert together, years after."



Rudi Völler (Germany striker): "Everybody was well aware that one of the teams was going home after that game. And regarding our old rivalry that just couldn't be accepted. I sensed that the atmosphere was very tense. Fortunately I never hear about that incident anymore. Now I'm friends with Frank, even though it took some time… We played each other in the Italian league and we didn't have any problem. We actually were rather friendly opponents. We talked about the incident later. Frank told me he had big problems at the time, he was in the middle of a divorce, he wasn't the real Frank Rijkaard. Today I can say that he is a great person. I agreed to do that Dutch advert, if only to bury the hatchet."

[gethomas3]

Völler throws himself dramatically to the floor as he clashes with Rijkaard, conning the referee into giving the Dutchman a yellow card.


If he wasn't such a bitch and not dive, the whole situation would have been avoided. No and's, if's, or but's. That is the pure and undisputed fact. Unfortunetly, West Germany dived all the way to a third championship which set the precursor to today's game.

[Cris 09]

If he wasn't such a bitch and not dive, the whole situation would have been avoided.

So that makes it ok, then... :rolleyes:

Dude, you have zero class. Probably explains your yellow card as well.

LOL @ "West Germany dived all the way to a third championship which set the precursor to today's game".

[gethomas3]

So that makes it ok, then...

Dude, you have zero class. Probably explains your yellow card as well.

LOL @ "West Germany dived all the way to a third championship which set the precursor to today's game".

Dude, you have no shame in being dirty. No class whatsover.

[Cris 09]

Dude, you have no shame in being dirty. No class whatsover.

I don't condone diving or cheating...never said I did. I also never said Voeller didn't cheat by diving. Further more, I do not believe that is a reason, or that there is any justifiable reason for that matter to spit on a another human being to begin with, which is apparently ok to do in your social backround!

[bosterosoy]

If he wasn't such a bitch and not dive, the whole situation would have been avoided. No and's, if's, or but's. That is the pure and undisputed fact. Unfortunetly, West Germany dived all the way to a third championship which set the precursor to today's game.
I agree, Germany would always dive (still have nightmares of the BS penalty kick given to Germany in the '90 finals.

That doesn't make Rijkaard spitting on him right. Frank showed no class whatsoever with that action. Spitting is probably the lowest thing a human being can do. It would have been better if he just punched him in the face

[kingkong1]

I agree, Germany would always dive (still have nightmares of the BS penalty kick given to Germany in the '90 finals.They must have learned from you in 86...

Brazil avenged you however by playing REAL football agst Germany in 2002 (very far from that 'brilliant' BS hand of god of you - even worst than a dive - agst England in Mexico 86) ;) ...

It was with us that they learned how to play (and lose) a WC final, not with a bunch of (cheating) losers like you.

Pray for never facing us in a WC final (because as far as America Cups finals are concerned, you must be already fed up).

[Cris 09]

Hey Kong, I'm not one to praise Germany if they try to get away with diving...as a matter of fact, I hate it. But I am more critical of them because I rather win it fair and square. I won't sugar coat any of their actions...I suggest you don't either when it comes to Brazil! Remember this??

UgfRCa71Kmw

[bosterosoy]

They must have learned from you in 86...

Brazil avenged you however by playing REAL football agst Germany in 2002 (very far from that 'brilliant' BS hand of god of you - even worst than a dive - agst England in Mexico 86) ;) ...

This is something I never understoof. Please explain how what Maradona did is worse than diving for and getting a penalty kick? I never understood the logic behind this thinking

It was with us that they learned how to play (and lose) a WC final, not with a bunch of (cheating) losers like you.

Continue living in your little fantasy world, they learned it from us with the 1986 final which was very appeasing and Argentina came out on top 3-2

[kingkong1]

Hey Kong, I'm not one to praise Germany if they try to get away with diving...as a matter of fact, I hate it. But I am more critical of them because I rather win it fair and square. I won't sugar coat any of their actions...I suggest you don't either when it comes to Brazil! Remember this??

UgfRCa71KmwI'm not to praise Brzs either, but in that case Rivaldo exaggerated the effect of an aggression that actually happened.

The act itself of the Turkish player did deserve a red card, although I don't know if the referee would give it if he just plainly complained about it.

Anyway, I have to agree: that wasn't a simple 'dive' anymore, but a sommersault :D ...

[kingkong1]

This is something I never understoof. Please explain how what Maradona did is worse than diving for and getting a penalty kick? I never understood the logic behind this thinking



Continue living in your little fantasy world, they learned it from us with the 1986 final which was very appeasing and Argentina came out on top 3-2OK, let's not fight about that.

But that story of the German player diving in the 90 WC is not totally clear...

I remember seeing several times the clip of the play, and I'm still in doubt (watch the 2nd video of the sequence).

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/germany-vs-argentina-1990-world-cup-final/3181074938

Of course, without resorting to a video it's even more difficult for a referee to precisely analize a play that did look like a foul: even for a neutral observer like me it looks like the Argentinian player lost his tempo and unnecessarilly stretched his leg towards an impossible ball, thereby losing balance and stumbling on the German forward - who smartly enough of course 'let' his body to be hit by the adversary.

Naturally you'll always call it a plain dive, even if it was not an absolutely established fact - that's part of the loser side lamentations act.

We'd Brzs cry the same way if it had happened to us.

[gethomas3]

This is something I never understoof. Please explain how what Maradona did is worse than diving for and getting a penalty kick? I never understood the logic behind this thinking



Continue living in your little fantasy world, they learned it from us with the 1986 final which was very appeasing and Argentina came out on top 3-2

Don't forget how one of Brazil's defenders tried to be Schumacher and tried to beat the shit out of one of the French players or how Garrincha, even though he was expelled in the semifinal vs Chile in 1962, somehow found a way to play the final when he was supposed to be suspended.

[argentine soccer fan]

Nobody should take a 'holier than thou' attitude when it comes to football. Players of all nationalities break the rules, whether it is diving, handling the balls with their hands, or purposely commiting cynical tactical fouls to stop the game, which is also breaking the rules, and is probably more of a threat to the beautiful game than the other two.

[kingkong1]

Nobody should take a 'holier than thou' attitude when it comes to football. Players of all nationalities break the rules, whether it is diving, handling the balls with their hands, or purposely commiting cynical tactical fouls to stop the game, which is also breaking the rules, and is probably more of a threat to the beautiful game than the other two.They are all...poets.

http://www.thegoal.com/events/ultimategoal/maradona.jpg

Fernando Pessoa - the great Portuguese poet - once wrote:

O poeta é um fingidor.
Finge tão completamente
Que chega a fingir que é dor
A dor que deveras sente.

E os que lêem o que escreve,
Na dor lida sentem bem,
Não as duas que ele teve,
Mas só a que eles não têm.

Or:

The poet is a pretender.
He so perfectly pretends
That even pretends that's pain
The pain he truly feels.

And the ones who read what he wrote
In the read pain also feel
Not the two that he did have
But the one they'll never have.

[Moishe]

They must have learned from you in 86...

Brazil avenged you however by playing REAL football agst Germany in 2002 (very far from that 'brilliant' BS hand of god of you - even worst than a dive - agst England in Mexico 86) ;) ...

It was with us that they learned how to play (and lose) a WC final, not with a bunch of (cheating) losers like you.

Pray for never facing us in a WC final (because as far as America Cups finals are concerned, you must be already fed up).

:rolleyes:How's the view from on top of the soap box? A hand ball or a suspended player still playing? Really kong which is the bigger act of cheating?

OK, let's not fight about that.

But that story of the German player diving in the 90 WC is not totally clear...

I remember seeing several times the clip of the play, and I'm still in doubt (watch the 2nd video of the sequence).

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/germany-vs-argentina-1990-world-cup-final/3181074938

Of course, without resorting to a video it's even more difficult for a referee to precisely analize a play that did look like a foul: even for a neutral observer like me it looks like the Argentinian player lost his tempo and unnecessarilly stretched his leg towards an impossible ball, thereby losing balance and stumbling on the German forward - who smartly enough of course 'let' his body to be hit by the adversary.

Naturally you'll always call it a plain dive, even if it was not an absolutely established fact - that's part of the loser side lamentations act.

We'd Brzs cry the same way if it had happened to us.

A Brazuka being neutral with regards to Argentina are you serious? Any other team in Conmebol and you might get taken seriously but Argentina? How close is that soap box to collapsing from the weight of Brazil carrying the world of futbol on it's shoulders?

Don't forget how one of Brazil's defenders tried to be Schumacher and tried to beat the shit out of one of the French players or how Garrincha, even though he was expelled in the semifinal vs Chile in 1962, somehow found a way to play the final when he was supposed to be suspended.

Hush gethomas3! If you don't talk about it how could it have happened? Brazil do anything wrong or unsporting? Pfft never in the history of the game.

[kingkong1]

How's the view from on top of the soap box? A hand ball or a suspended player still playing? Really kong which is the bigger act of cheating?Depends on the appropriate 'moisheture' you use in your washing machine :p ...

Besides don't use conflicting amounts of soap and water - or put white and dark clothes together - in your laundry***...

It'll stain your Mosaic 'toga', or, worse - it'll blurr reality :o .

That's the problem with analyzing facts from an out of context and absolutely hear-say point of view.

First of all, a suspended player not playing the following game in 1962 was not as harsh and definitive a rule as today.

Depending on the nature of the 'foul' commited that could be quickly taken back by the FIFA refereeing board, even between games.

And that was a TOTALLY LEGAL procedure.

Think well: FIFA would never infringe one of its rules during a World Cup...

Specially when an European NT was involved in a final, and at that time you didn't have yet that eternal and ridiculous excuse of Havelange 'favouring Brazil'...

Not even the Czchecs contested it, man.

It was you (who I bet didn't even know about the fact) who - through the 'help' of our 'very' smart friend Gethomas (congrats Get!) - cherrypicked that absolutely normal and JUST decision of the board.

Now you kids both listen to the truth.

In that game (Brazil x Chile, semifinal), Garrincha had spent the whole game brutally chased and spanked by the Chilean players, and the referee would do nothing. When Garrincha - a historically well-behaving player - finally lost his patience and, just out of reflex, responded with a light kick on his aggressor thigh, the scoundrel put him off.

At the time the fact became such a world scandal that even the Chileans supporters couldn't admit it. The decision of cancelling the referee's decision was made by FIFA under roaring public and even non-Brazilian official clamour in favour of him.The Brz Confed - besides understandingly protesting - didn't even have to do much to have Garrincha back.

Furthermore the defending champs went to the final and won the Cup without 'the undisputably second best player of the world after The King ever' help: his presence in the field that day was very discreet.

He must have said: I've done enough, guys, now I'll let you play...A Brazuka being neutral with regards to Argentina are you serious? Any other team in Conmebol and you might get taken seriously but Argentina? How close is that soap box to collapsing from the weight of Brazil carrying the world of futbol on it's shoulders?I openly rooted in this Forum for Boca against Kaká's Milan in the WCC: all the Argentinians (with your exception, looks like) will witness to that in this Forum.

I always root for the Southamerican side. Besides I was born in a democratic Brazil still under the impact of the WWII nazi atrocities, so I have no reason to love Germans.Hush gethomas3! If you don't talk about it how could it have happened? Brazil do anything wrong or unsporting? Pfft never in the history of the game.You're right, if it were not for our 'informed' fellow Gethomas3 (is there a 1 and 2 too?), how would anybody in this Forum know that our 'rich' Brazilian Confed would have so cynically 'bribed' FIFA officials?...

But Brazil MUST have done something terribly 'unsporting' along its five titles...

You and Get keep looking for it :rolleyes: ...

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PS***: BTW, how do you know that my name (Ariel) is one of the most popular 'soap box' Argentinian names? I have no problems at all with being a clean guy, but have you - what an honour! - consulted my profile? (con la palavra, a really great player, el 'burrito' Ariel Ortega...)

[kingkong1]

The semi-final was against Chile. Brazil was far superior, but Chile had the support of the entire country, and there were serious questionings about the performance of Arturo Yamazaki, Peruvian referee who would have made mistakes in favour of Chile.

But Brazil had Garrincha. Early in the first half, Garrincha surprises again: from outside the penalty area, he shoots with left feet and scores 1 x 0. Still in the first half, Zagallo crosses the ball and Garrinchas heads it to goal. In the second half, conscious of their superiority, the Brazilian team scores another two goals (Vavá) and awaits the final whistle. Brazil won by 4 x 2, and would face Czechoslovakia again in the final match.

Brazil and Czechoslovakia played on June 17th 1962. The Czechs scored first, 15' of first half.
The Czechs knew they had to stop Garrincha, and he was rigorously marked. However, they forgot about Amarildo.
Amarildo scored the first Brazilian goal still in the first half. At 25' of second half, Amarildo crosses to Zagallo, who scores 2 x 1. At 31', Djalma Santos realizes that the Czech goalkeeper is too ahead of the goal, and tries to surprise him; the goalkeeper manages to touch the ball, but Vavá was nearby and scored the last Brazilian goal.
Brazil was bi-champion of the World Cup.

World Cup 1962 - Other Info

Photo: FIFA
http://www.v-brazil.com/culture/sports/world-cup/garrincha-1962.jpg
Garrincha exhibits the trophy

Garrincha was expulsed in the semi-final match against Chile. His trial would take place the following day and, if convicted, Garrincha would not play the final against the Czechs. The main piece of accusation was a report by the assistant referee, Esteban Marino, from Uruguay. Rumours say that the Brazilian staff used very persuasive means to convince mr. Marino to return early to Montevideo, taking his report. So, for lack of evidences, Garrincha was absolved and could play against the Czechs.


http://www.v-brazil.com/culture/sports/world-cup/1962-Chile.html

Now I ask: whose 'rumours'? Uruguayan and Argentinian press rumours? Moishe's & Gethomas3's neutral grandfathers? And the also neutral Peruvian referee???!!! (remember 78)...

That was FIFA, man, not CONMEBOL, where hispano-american countries get all they want from those neutral authorities...

Let me laugh, kids :p ...