Create the ultimate Super Team

[kingkong1]

you sir are an idiotYeah, against offenders like you there is no 'moderation'.

One offers arguments and receives...insults (youre an 'idiot', 'you're trolling').

And no one budges.

Maybe I'll be the punished one ;) ...Nobody said anything about Maradona so I this makes absolutely no sense. Any Argentinian using the expression 'singlehandedly' IS (subliminarly) referring to El Pibe :D ...

You can disagree with that.

But that's not a motive for you to call anybody an 'idiot' (you'll end up being seen as one).

Why the rage: just because your Argie 'mask 'fell?... Yes the 2 World Cups. So that is now the barrier for what makes a player great. I guess then that no player outside of Brasil, Argentina, Germany, Italy or France are good players. Platini must have sucked as well since he never won a World Cup. Same for George Best, Puskas, Di Stefano, not to mention Johann Cruijf and Eusebio. they all suck because they never won a World Cup :rolleyes:You are the one who's 'running' from the subject.

The comparison is btw NS and Maldini: if you use his UEFA titles, why shouldn't I use NS's FIFA world titles?...

Only you can use those awards?...

What I say is that if we have objective records to show, why woudn't we? Should one get 'mute' about them?...

Does that 'offend'?... Maldini's side would give up less goals and yes Maldini never played any good forwards. Ronaldo was a joke, Romario pff, Maradona, Platini, Totti, Batistuta etc etcI just said Maldini's era - on the opposite of NS' - was deffense-oriented, and just stated the irrespondible truth (and that serves even for Tribune!) that NS faced the most lethal formations of forwards of ANY era, in an epoch in which football didn't priviledge or protect so much the defenses and was essentially attack-oriented...

In more recent football great attackers like Ronaldo, Batistuta, Maradona etc were a lot more limited by the defensive structure of the football practiced from the 80's on.

Those are ARGUMENTS: and not calling anybody 'idiot', or 'troller', or 'old' - precisely because one's absolute lack of argument.
Ok, I agree a CL = Copa Libertadores which Nilton Santos never won. And if I used your logic of selecting the opinions of experts that made their Top XI before Maldini came on the scene then I'll use the same logic and say that NS never won a Libertadores even if most of his career was before that tournament was established and thus Maldini is betterYou almost slipped there, eh???...

As far as the rest of your sentence (in blue), now you trolled.

Worse: lied.

Opinions of critics after Maldini were also considered in all my posts.

What a shame.

[kingkong1]

Is this the come-back of a 60 year old man? Really?

Why try and belittle Maldini, when any real fan that his seen both players in their prime could recognise them both as legends.haha..

Comme, the Flat Tire Man became the BigSoccer joke of the day!...

He thinks he 'offends' anyone calling him an 'old man'!...

Old Man Nilton Santos is the one who you've actually trying to belittle in your comparison with the not less glorious old man Maldini.

In all my posts, Flat, I always recognized the greatness of Maldini.

I'm just saying - and proving - he is not THE best.

It's a shame you got to lie and twist facts just to debunk a superiority already established - not by us - but by specialized critics :cool: ...

By the guys who KNOW...

[comme]

Hahahaha,

He thinks he offends me calling me 'old man'!...

'Old Man' NS is the one who you've actually trying to belittle in your comparison with Maldini.

In all my postsIrecognize the greatness of Maldini.

I'm just saying - and proving - he is not THE best.

It's a shame you got to lie and twist facts just to debunk a superiority already established - not by us - but by specialized critics :cool: ...

By the guys who KNOW...

I've nothing but respect for age, but a man of 60 who acts like he is 6 is something to pity.

The only "proof" you have for Nilton Santos' superiority are two WCs won as a team and a number of polls from before Maldini began his career. That is not proof.

[Twix]

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[kingkong1]

The only "proof" you have for Nilton Santos' superiority are two WCs won as a team and a number of polls from before Maldini began his career. That is not proof.Flat,

Give me a proof for Maldini - and also a proof that you you're not a flat liar, I mean, a Flat Tire.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3306/flattire1qf1.jpg

[sidis]

Please guys.

why can't we be friends?

[comme]

Flat,

Give me a proof for Maldini - and also a proof that you you're not a flat liar, I mean, a Flat Tire.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3306/flattire1qf1.jpg

There is no proof. This is not a question that can possibly be proved either way. That is why it is a futile argument.

There is no accepted criteria on how you choose the best left-back ever, therefore you can never prove who was the best.

[kingkong1]

Please guys.

why can't we be friends?All right, Sidis,

Let's spare Flat.

'Old man' was just kidding, kid :) !...

[kingkong1]

There is no proof. This is not a question that can possibly be proved either way. That is why it is a futile argument.

There is no accepted criteria on how you choose the best left-back ever, therefore you can never prove who was the best.That's your opinion and I respect.

It's not mine and the 'specialized critics' (before AND after Maldini) though!...

The opinion of those guys (before and after Our Lord Maldini, as it was comfortably proved) should have some weight.

Besides, before thinking of NS, Our Lord still has the great Breitner, Junior & Marinho Chagas to dispute with (but that's another 500s)...

We might be wrong with our evidence, but don't call us 'trollers', or, like Bosterosoy, 'idiots', just because we display our modest argumentation.

And if 'there is no proof or evidence' what are we doing here? Just calling each other 'old man' and 'flat tire'?...

Can call us old men though: Mick Jagger, Stephen Hawkings, Pelé, Maldini, NS (and why not...I?) enthusiastically applaud...

PS: As far as Crismerz, just consulted my world map & I'm not finding him (I'll look for him in the stratosphere)...

[nickknx865]

Can't I just put the New York Cosmos and be done with i?t

[man_in_the_middle]

Yashin

Beckenbauer


Baresi Moore Maldini


Rijkaard


Garrincha Maradona Cruyff


Pele Eusebio


Legendary

[kingkong1]

Yashin

Beckenbauer


Baresi Moore Maldini


Rijkaard


Garrincha Maradona Cruyff


Pele Eusebio


LegendaryYashin no question.

Beckenbauer no question.

But Baresi, Moore, Maldini? For all of them - many and many questions.

Rijkjaard???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? (don't even klnow who he is)...

Garrincha (a right-wing), Maradona (a midfield), Cruyjff (another midfield) - the three out of question, but belong to VERY different positions...

Pelé (an offensive midfield), Eusébio (a striker who had class to play midfield) - but a very big distance in quality btw one and the other.

Just the six in blue are undisputable legends.

However, one cannot forget Carlos Alberto, Leandro, Djalma Santos, Passarela, Domingos da Guia, Figueroa, Nilton Santos, all of them way more - or at least as - legendary in defense than 'your' Baresi, Moore, Maldini ones).

And don't forget Di Stéfano and Didi either in midfield - the best ever.

Eusébio was great, but Puskas with some tranquility takes his place...

Twelve players?

With that team I'd play without a goalie...

Try again.

[Perú FC]

But Baresi, Moore, Maldini? For all of them - many and many questions.
Baresi couldn't be too questioned, maybe the best modern defender, in my opinion the best Italian all-time player and the best central back over legends as the same Moore, Passarella or da Guía.

Moore is a similar case, he's usually mentioned in all-time teams, he's a legendary player. Both of them could be put in or be replaced for anyone surely but are very far to being elections that produce "many and many questions".

I'm not sure about Maldini, he was a great left-back to the football history and the most have a great respect for him, but I think he has a lot more competence in his position, actually I'd put there first to Roberto Carlos, even over the legendary Nilton Santos.

Rijkjaard???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? (don't even klnow who he is)...
He was a Dutch deffensive midfield who brighted in Ajax and AC Milan in 80's, and right now is coaching to Barcelona.

The deffensive midfield is one of the most difficult positions to full in an all-time team because it's posible are less options than in others; that could be because for a big part of the history that position didn't appear with notoriety and only recently has been "discovered" with a real importance in the approaches. Considering that, Rijkaard could be a suitable election.

I'd say...

---------------------------- Lev Yashin ----------------------------
----------------- Franco Baresi ----- Bobby Moore ------------------
- Carlos Alberto ---------------------------------- Roberto Carlos -
------------------------- Franz Beckenbauer ------------------------
--------------- Johan Cruyff --------- Diego Maradona --------------
----- Garrincha -------------- Pelé ------- Alfredo Di Stéfano -----

[kingkong1]

Baresi couldn't be too questioned, maybe the best modern defender, in my opinion the best Italian all-time player and the best central back over legends as the same Moore, Passarella or da Guía.

Moore is a similar case, he's usually mentioned in all-time teams, he's a legendary player. Both of them could be put in or be replaced for anyone surely but are very far to being elections that produce "many and many questions".

I'm not sure about Maldini, he was a great left-back to the football history and the most have a great respect for him, but I think he has a lot more competence in his position, actually I'd put there first to Roberto Carlos, even over the legendary Nilton Santos.


He was a Dutch deffensive midfield who brighted in Ajax and AC Milan in 80's, and right now is coaching to Barcelona.

The deffensive midfield is one of the most difficult positions to full in an all-time team because it's posible are less options than in others; that could be because for a big part of the history that position didn't appear with notoriety and only recently has been "discovered" with a real importance in the approaches. Considering that, Rijkaard could be a suitable election.

I'd say...

---------------------------- Lev Yashin ----------------------------
----------------- Franco Baresi ----- Bobby Moore ------------------
- Carlos Alberto ---------------------------------- Roberto Carlos -
------------------------- Franz Beckenbauer ------------------------
--------------- Johan Cruyff --------- Diego Maradona --------------
----- Garrincha -------------- Pelé ------- Alfredo Di Stéfano ----- Very equilibrated team...

But I'd conceive my ultimate team preferrably as an offensive machine, with Beckenbauer playing as a sole central back, (Cruyjff could easely asume his function in midfield), with Nilton Santos or Maldini in Roberto Carlos' place (RC would also function well in an offensive scheme), add Didi and Di Stéfano to the midfield and move Maradona up front with Garrincha, Puskas and Pelé:

So:

Yashin

Carlos Alberto Beckenbauer N. Santos

Didi Di Stéfano Cruyjff

Garrincha Pelé Puskas Maradona

Reserves:

Banks

D. Santos Moore Pasarella Maldini

Zizinho B. Charlton

Stanley Matthews Best Leônidas da Silva Eusébio




An orchestra with choir, masses of violins, trumpets and cellos, virtuoses and prima-donnas...

And several interchangeable maestros (even among the reserves)...

PS: Of course I know Rijkjaard (and I liked him) - but I just think he is too distant from the midfields up there.

[man_in_the_middle]

Peru FC that's a great team as well. Probably better thought out than mine.

KingKong if you don't know who Rijkaard is....

He was versital and intrumental to Ajax, AC Milan, and Dutch sides of the 80s and early 90s. He was a winner as a player. But mediocre at best, as a manager.

[Cris 09]

Rijkaard was versital and intrumental to Ajax, AC Milan, and Dutch sides of the 80s and early 90s. He was a winner as a player. But mediocre at best, as a manager.

But a loser as a human being!
http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/files/2007/12/vollerrijkaard.jpg

[man_in_the_middle]

Yeah, that's just not necessary Frank.

[kingkong1]

KingKong if you don't know who Rijkaard is....

He was versital and intrumental to Ajax, AC Milan, and Dutch sides of the 80s and early 90s. He was a winner as a player. But mediocre at best, as a manager.As far as Rijk, check my last post.Peru FC that's a great team as well.
As far as PeruFC team I also found it very good, I just couldn't agree however with the encompassing genius of a Di Stéfano - one of the 3 best mids ever - relegated to a left-wing.

Pelé and Maradona, although also mids, were extremely offensive, and can perfectly assume roles in the attack, specially El Pibe, whose specialty was not precisely assisting.

[shalom82]

Too hard for me to make a top 11 of best ever players. I'll do one of players currently still in their prime. "All time greats" playing together is tough because I can't visualise the game they'd be playing, tactically.
I'd play with a 4-3-2-1, because I like a strong goalscorer to be supported by interplay between two attacking midfielder. Also one midfielder to dictate the tempo of the game, with two defensive midfielders supporting him, who are also good at pushing the ball forward if necessary.

--------------------Buffon--------------------------

---Sergio Ramos----Nesta-----Cannavaro----Lahm---

-------------De Rossi---Pirlo----Essien---------------

-------------------Kaka-----Messi-------------------

-----------------------Drogba-----------------------

Only doubts I have are Fabregas instead of Pirlo, or Toni instead of Drogba.
This team doesn't take future potential into account, so no Patos, Agueros, Andersons or Benzemas included.


Cheerio.

[Perú FC]

As far as Rijk, check my last post.
As far as PeruFC team I also found it very good, I just couldn't agree however with the encompassing genius of a Di Stéfano - one of the 3 best mids ever - relegated to a left-wing.

Pelé and Maradona, although also mids, were extremely offensive, and can perfectly assume roles in the attack, specially El Pibe, whose specialty was not precisely assisting.
I wasn't thinking him as a winger really, seems as it by the frozen drawing, but I was the idea of him doing a pair with Pelé, because for the left-side would be enough with Roberto Carlos; playing as a second striker sometimes, playing as an offensive midfielder facilitating projections of Maradona in other occasions.

About the 5 marvelous offensive players there, I think only Garrincha is known in a specific position by the right-wing, then all of them would rotate in offensive positions with a hypothetical great efficacy.