Create the ultimate Super Team

[Glenn_69]

2000 - Now


------------------------------ Buffon ------------------------------
------------------------ Nesta ----- Cannavaro ---------------------
----- Thuram ---------------------------------------- Ashley Cole --
------------------------ Vieira ---- Pirlo -------------------------
---------------------------- Ronaldinho ----------------------------
-------- Shevchenko ------ van Nistelrooy --------- Henry ----------

Substitutes: Casillas; Terry, Puyol, Zambrotta; Makelele, Gerrard, Nedved, Cristiano Ronaldo; Totti.


lol man, @ least Zidane should be in there... RVN is fantastic, but no where near any of the other options (are you going to tell me he's done more then Ronaldo? this comming from a RM fan who hates the guts out of Ronaldo)
Shevchenko would be a good option, Puyol and makelélé too, also Nedved and Totti...

I didn't take any subs... just the best 11

[Twix]

--------------------Schmeichel

--Djalma Santos--Beckenbauer--Gentiles--Maldini

------------Redondo------------Keane

--Garrincha------------------------------Giggs

-------------------Pele

------------------------Muller

[The Sun King]

--------------------------------Yashin-------------------------------
----------------------------------------Beckenbauer (C) -------------
C. Alberto---------------Moore----------------------------------Maldini
-----------------------Rijkaard---------------------------------------
----------------------------------------Redondo---------------------
---------Garrincha-----------------------------------Maradona-------
--------------------------Pele---------------------------------------
----------------------------------------Ronaldo----------------------

[Wonderwall952]

......................Banks...................

Thuram.....Baresi.....Moore.....Maldini

...........Beckenbauer....Keane..........

...................Di Stefano.................

........Best.........Pele...........Cruyff...

[Perú FC]

lol man, @ least Zidane should be in there... RVN is fantastic, but no where near any of the other options (are you going to tell me he's done more then Ronaldo? this comming from a RM fan who hates the guts out of Ronaldo)
Shevchenko would be a good option, Puyol and makelélé too, also Nedved and Totti...
I think these are arguments that haven't considered very well the time. I'm going to put a team of 1990 - 1999, and in that team Zidane and Ronaldo are going to be irrepleaceables.

You should consider that if you divide the time for decades, the concepts you use are going to complicate because more than one you can pick for more than one decade, as Ronaldo or Zidane for example.

I consider that Ronaldo had his top level in 90's, maybe was the best of that decade, especially for the impressive machine he was in Barcelona in 1996 and 1997, or his impressive season in PSV Eindhoven in 1995. His time in Real Madrid between 2002 to 2005 was good, but I think not than good as his late 90's phase.

About Zidane, is the best player I ever seen in my opinion, and I'd have to choose a decade to put him in, it would be 90's, when he played for Juventus since 96, his best time in my opinion, and when he leaded his national team to winning their first World Cup in 98. As Ronaldo, I think his time in Real Madrid, especially until 2001 to 2003, was great, but not than good as his late 90's phase neither.

[phil80]

......................Banks...................

Thuram.....Baresi.....Moore.....Maldini

...........Beckenbauer....Keane..........

...................Di Stefano.................

........Best.........Pele...........Cruyff...
no maradona?

[Wonderwall952]

no maradona?

No doubt he was a top player but he's the only player I don't want to include. Every other player, whatever my personal opinion is of them, I can see their talent but its just his personality, lifestyle and that goal which make me hate him :D

I can see why people put him in their teams though.

[Perú FC]

1990 - 1999

----------------------------- Schmeichel -----------------------------
------------------------ Hierro ------ Baresi ------------------------
------ Cafú --------------------------------------- Roberto Carlos ---
---------------------- Matthäus ----- Roy Keane ----------------------
------------- Rivaldo -------------------------- Zidane --------------
----------------------- Ronaldo ------ Romario -----------------------

Substitutes: Kahn; Koeman, Maldini, Zanetti; Redondo, Figo, Laudrup; Baggio, Batistuta.

[bosterosoy]

the separate eras idea is a very good one

here's mine for the current era (2000-2008)

GK - Gianluigi Buffon

RB - Gianluca Zambrotta (Juventus/Barcelona and Italy)
CB - Alessandro Nesta (Lazio/Milan and Italy)
CB - Paolo Cannavaro (Juventus/Real Madrid and Italy)
LB - Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid and Brasil)

LM - Pavel Nedved (Lazio/Juventus and Czech Republic)
DM - Michael Ballack (Bayer Leverkusen/Bayern Munech/Chelsea and Germany)
RM - Cristiano Ronaldo (Sporting CP/Manchester United and Portugal)
AM - Ronaldinho (PSG/Barcelona and Brasil)

S - Raul (Real Madrid and Spain)
S - Andriy Shevchenko (AC Milan/Chelsea and Ukraine)

Subs

GK - Oliver Kahn (Bayern Munech and Germany)
CB - John Terry (Notthingham Forest/Chelsea and England)
CB - Paolo Maldini (AC Milan and Italy)
CM - Deco (FC Porto/Barcelona and Portugal
CM - Steven Gerrard (Liverpool and England)
S - Thierry Henry (Arsenal/Barcelona and France)
S - Ruud van Nistelrooy (PSC/Manchester United/Real Madrid and Holland)

I put Cristiano Ronaldo in my starting lineup and by the end of the decade he will be a no brainer IMO

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I'll deal with Glenn_69 later.

I consider that Ronaldo had his top level in 90's, maybe was the best of that decade, especially for the impressive machine he was in Barcelona in 1996 and 1997, or his impressive season in PSV Eindhoven in 1995. His time in Real Madrid between 2002 to 2005 was good, but I think not than good as his late 90's phase.

About Zidane, is the best player I ever seen in my opinion, and I'd have to choose a decade to put him in, it would be 90's, when he played for Juventus since 96, his best time in my opinion, and when he leaded his national team to winning their first World Cup in 98. As Ronaldo, I think his time in Real Madrid, especially until 2001 to 2003, was great, but not than good as his late 90's phase neither.

I don't disagree with the former but I do find the latter interesting, mainly because it disagrees with what most eductated people would state. Now before anyone complains I don't mean that as an insult but simply to highlight that most people who seriously watch the game would rate Zidane circa 2001-2003 as him being at his peak. It's also the only period of time during which I have little complaint about people praising him. For you to state differently is somewhat surprising. Care to elaborate on why you believe that to be the case?

[Perú FC]

I don't disagree with the former but I do find the latter interesting, mainly because it disagrees with what most eductated people would state. Now before anyone complains I don't mean that as an insult but simply to highlight that most people who seriously watch the game would rate Zidane circa 2001-2003 as him being at his peak. It's also the only period of time during which I have little complaint about people praising him. For you to state differently is somewhat surprising. Care to elaborate on why you believe that to be the case?
Well, I can remember me continuing his career since 1995 aproximately, when he was playing in Girondins Bordeaux yet. As I speak Spanish, I usually am in Spanish forums, so I understand why frenquently the Spaniards consider him only since 2001, when he signed to Real Madrid. They have a great memory of the Champions League 2001-2002, the great goal against Bayer Leverkusen, and the league of 2002-2003; but I think that phase of Zidane, although good, is far from being the best and is a typical mistake for the circumstance to have figured in the world commercial Real Madrid, where actually, I think has only "very good" seasons but not great ever, with considerable irregularities inside his excellent level and already in a slope.

Before his arrival to Real Madrid, I think Zidane had been erected as a legendary player already, reaching his maximum level between 1996 to 1998. I was impressive with a player that I already had noted since before as a wonderful player but a little unstable when he was playing the Copa UEFA 1995-1996 with Bordeaux.

I consider his club emblem to the Juventus, after only his regular level in the Euro 1996, he had a really impressive games with that club. I remember his first extraordinary game against Inter, reached a stupendous regularity. The season 1997-1998, in his second season with Juventus was better, and I remember that season as the best of a player in a overall league in my opinion. In Champions League he did stupendous campaigns, better than his campaign with Real Madrid in 2001-2002. I think maybe the most of people think the contrary thing because with the Spanish team he won the championship there and doesn't note well the difference of the individual level of him for that, superior in 1997 and definitely in 1998, when he lost the finals. While the time passes, I think the memory is left to deceive by the list of titles and considers superior the season of the earned title erroneously.

Then I consider that he crown this stupendous phase with his performance in the World Cup France 1998, still being expulsed for two matches, leading his national team to their first championship.

Before 1998 I think he never could be again in such tremendous level, had great matches, a great Euro 2000, and with Real Madrid obtained important titles between 2001 to 2003 that contributed in my opinion to put him as 5th or 6th best player ever and consider him as the best player I ever seen, but never could maintain the same impressive regularity I remember him in Juventus, just continued giving brushstrokes of genius.

[Cris 09]

Ballack is not the best choice for a DM IMHO...I would go with Frings instead if that is what you were looking for. Ballack is more of a attacking midfielder with minor playmaking roles.

the separate eras idea is a very good one

here's mine for the current era (2000-2008)

GK - Gianluigi Buffon

RB - Gianluca Zambrotta (Juventus/Barcelona and Italy)
CB - Alessandro Nesta (Lazio/Milan and Italy)
CB - Paolo Cannavaro (Juventus/Real Madrid and Italy)
LB - Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid and Brasil)

LM - Pavel Nedved (Lazio/Juventus and Czech Republic)
DM - Michael Ballack (Bayer Leverkusen/Bayern Munech/Chelsea and Germany)
RM - Cristiano Ronaldo (Sporting CP/Manchester United and Portugal)
AM - Ronaldinho (PSG/Barcelona and Brasil)

S - Raul (Real Madrid and Spain)
S - Andriy Shevchenko (AC Milan/Chelsea and Ukraine)

Subs

GK - Oliver Kahn (Bayern Munech and Germany)
CB - John Terry (Notthingham Forest/Chelsea and England)
CB - Paolo Maldini (AC Milan and Italy)
CM - Deco (FC Porto/Barcelona and Portugal
CM - Steven Gerrard (Liverpool and England)
S - Thierry Henry (Arsenal/Barcelona and France)
S - Ruud van Nistelrooy (PSC/Manchester United/Real Madrid and Holland)

I put Cristiano Ronaldo in my starting lineup and by the end of the decade he will be a no brainer IMO

[The Sun King]

Before his arrival to Real Madrid, I think Zidane had been erected as a legendary player already, reaching his maximum level between 1996 to 1998. I was impressive with a player that I already had noted since before as a wonderful player but a little unstable when he was playing the Copa UEFA 1995-1996 with Bordeaux.


Zidane was considered a good player, not too many people knew him back then. During this period, RONALDO owned the sport of footy. There was no doubt who the best player in the world was! And it most definitly wasn't Zizou!

[sidis]

no nilton santos in ANY team? haha. funny. maybe the most complete defender behind beckenbauer.

------------------------Pelé----------------------------
Cruyff--------------------------------------Garrincha---
---------------------------Maradona--------------------
------------Gérson--------------------------------------
--------------------------------Falcão------------------
Nilton Santos-----------------------------------CA Torres
------------------Beckembauer-----Gamarra--------------
---------------------------Yashin------------------------


a real team, 2 real defenders in midfield with exceptional playmaking skills, 3 real playmakers, 4 real defensive genius.


if we make a more ofensive team, we could put Zidane, Platini, Zizinho or Di stefano in attack/attacing midfielder in the gérson position.

[Twix]

no nilton santos in ANY team? haha. funny. maybe the most complete defender behind beckenbauer.



Out of curiousity, what makes you think Nilton Santos was better than Djalma Santos?

[Perú FC]

Zidane was considered a good player, not too many people knew him back then. During this period, RONALDO owned the sport of footy. There was no doubt who the best player in the world was! And it most definitly wasn't Zizou!
I think don't have any objective to put Ronaldo as a comparison.

[gethomas3]

No doubt he was a top player but he's the only player I don't want to include. Every other player, whatever my personal opinion is of them, I can see their talent but its just his personality, lifestyle and that goal which make me hate him :D

I can see why people put him in their teams though.

Translation: "I am a jealous prick who could never hack it in profesional football".
:rolleyes:
Jesus Christ, you are one of the many ignorant people in the World. You act as if Maradona was the first player ever to have a leftist personality. You act as if Maradona was the first ever player to do drugs. You act as if he was the first ever player to be sent off, dived, or scored with his hand. And I can assure you he wasn't.

[Cris 09]

Translation: "I am a jealous prick who could never hack it in profesional football".
:rolleyes:
Jesus Christ, you are one of the many ignorant people in the World. You act as if Maradona was the first player ever to have a leftist personality. You act as if Maradona was the first ever player to do drugs. You act as if he was the first ever player to be sent off, dived, or scored with his hand. And I can assure you he wasn't.

Translation: "I am a fan boy and no matter what Maradona does he will always be my idol!"

Dude, relax! he doesn't like him, he gave his reasons, which he didn't have too in the first place and yet you still find a way to call him "ignorant" and a "jealous prick"??

I don't like Maradon either, ok! No, I am not a jealous prick, and I am not ignorant; I just don't freakin' like him. I will admit he was a truly gifted player beyond belief but I just can't stand him...and fans boys like you make it so much easier.

I don't like a lot of other players, for whatever reasons - and he is one of them. Live with it!

[kingkong1]

no nilton santos in ANY team? haha. funny. maybe the most complete defender behind beckenbauer.

------------------------Pelé----------------------------
Cruyff--------------------------------------Garrincha---
---------------------------Maradona--------------------
------------Gérson--------------------------------------
--------------------------------Falcão------------------
Nilton Santos-----------------------------------CA Torres
------------------Beckembauer-----Gamarra--------------
---------------------------Yashin------------------------


a real team, 2 real defenders in midfield with exceptional playmaking skills, 3 real playmakers, 4 real defensive genius.


if we make a more ofensive team, we could put Zidane, Platini, Zizinho or Di stefano in attack/attacing midfielder in the gérson position.Your list is great, but players like Domingos da Guia, Didi, Leônidas da Silva, Sepp Meier, Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton, Puskas, Stanley Matthews, Eusébio, Best cannot remain unmentioned.

They ALL are 'top 11' level...

That list could be:

Yashin
C. Alberto - Domingos da Guia - Nilton Santos
Didi - Di Stéfano - Cruyjff
Garrincha - Pelé - Leônidas - Maradona

Or:

Sepp Meier
Beckenbauer - Bobby Moore
Gérson - Bobby Charlton - Zizinho
Stanley Matthews - Puskas - Eusébio - Best

...and we would just see marvels happening on the fields!

PS: A final remark: Zico was extra-class and way above Platini & Falcão, but I wouldn't get to the point of placing him among the 'top 11 ever' (I'm a Flamengo fan!...): Flamengo's Domingos da Guia, Zizinho, Leônidas da Silva, Gérson were a few steps above him.

[sidis]

Out of curiousity, what makes you think Nilton Santos was better than Djalma Santos?

Djalma Santos was a Right Back.
Despite being righty Nilton santos was a left back, center back and defensive midfielder.
But he is the greatest Left Back of Brazil (and of the world) in all time.

Djalma santos, Josimar, Leandro and Carlos alberto torres was the 4 best right backs in brazil (and in all time, probably); im my opinion torres was best.