Create the ultimate Super Team

[PDG1978]

IMO, Cafu would easily lose to Djalma Santos & Carlos Alberto in all fundaments.

He'd only tie with them in consistency.

What doesn't mean he hasn't been a pillar for Brazil (a moving pillar BTW) both as a defender and 'almost a wing' as you put.

But the former were far way more complete.

In the same case is Leandro, but what makes him not be so much more above Cafu is the fact that because of physical problems he never displayed in the NT the same consistency Cafu did.

Nelinho is another that's above Cafu, although not with the same efficiency in defense.

Cafu would dispute a heated battle with Jorginho for that 5th spot though.

Rildo, Paulo Henrique, Josimar, Netto, Toninho Baiano - all Seleção - would follow.

A Brz All-Time 11 only of right-defenders.:eek:

Put T. Baiano in the goal, 'align' them to the center...



T. Baiano

D. Santos-Leandro-C. Alberto-Rildo
Cafu-Jorginho-Netto-Paulo Henrique
Nelinho-Josimar


...and of course move Brazil goal to where the right-hand corner flag is.



Might work.:D





Interesting side - of course Nelinho and Josimar are probably better suited to overlapping and shooting from deep positions but they are the best goalscorers in the side... How about a game against a team of English central midfielders in a 4-4-2 too:
----------------------------Bryan Robson----------------

Bell---------------Gerrard--------------Edwards--------Carrick

Peters------------Hoddle----------------Charlton-------Brooking

------------------Platt------------------Gascoigne-------------

[Catel]

All-time Super Team:

-----------Yashine
Djalma Santos-Moore-Maldini
---------Beckenbauer
Maradona-Platini-Cruyff-Zidane
--------Garrincha-Pelé

coach: Rinus Michels


Today's Super Team:

-----------Casillas
Sergio Ramos-Terry-Mexès-Lahm
Messi---Gerrard---Kakà---Ribéry
---------Ronaldo-Eto'o

coach: Marcello Lippi

[kingkong1]

All-time Super Team:

-----------Yashine
Djalma Santos-Moore-Maldini
---------Beckenbauer
Maradona-Platini-Cruyff-Zidane
--------Garrincha-Pelé

coach: Rinus Michels


Today's Super Team:

-----------Casillas
Sergio Ramos-Terry-Mexès-Lahm
Messi---Gerrard---Kakà---Ribéry
---------Ronaldo-Eto'o

coach: Marcello LippiSorry,

But compatriots Platini & Zidane would have to give place to Di Stéfano & Didi in that roster.

IMO - of course.:D

[kingkong1]

Interesting side - of course Nelinho and Josimar are probably better suited to overlapping and shooting from deep positions but they are the best goalscorers in the side... How about a game against a team of English central midfielders in a 4-4-2 too:
----------------------------Bryan Robson----------------

Bell---------------Gerrard--------------Edwards--------Carrick

Peters------------Hoddle----------------Charlton-------Brooking

------------------Platt------------------Gascoigne-------------I imagine it would be a great game with England having to surround Brazil by its right side.

Game for Stanley Matthews although he was not a CM.

It would be like a dog fight in which each dog would try to bite each other's tail :p ...

[Kyles9]

Today's Super Team:

----------------------------------Casillas------------------------------

Alves-------------------Vidic-----------------Terry---------------Lahm

C.Ronaldo-------------------------Gerrard------------------------Ribery

Messi-----------------------------Eto'o--------------------------Henry

[Moishe]

Today's Super Team:

----------------------------------Casillas------------------------------

Alves-------------------Vidic-----------------Terry---------------Lahm

C.Ronaldo-------------------------Gerrard------------------------Ribery

Messi-----------------------------Eto'o--------------------------Henry

Uber defensive line-up....I like it:D

[Perú FC]

Today's Super Team:

-----------Casillas
Sergio Ramos-Terry-Mexès-Lahm
Messi---Gerrard---Kakà---Ribéry
---------Ronaldo-Eto'o

coach: Marcello Lippi
Today Mexes mate?, I think currently and in general are plenty of centrebacks better than him.

[shalom82]

Today's Super Team:

-----------Casillas
Sergio Ramos-Terry-Mexès-Lahm
Messi---Gerrard---Kakà---Ribéry
---------Ronaldo-Eto'o

coach: Marcello Lippi

Yeah, I'd put:

..................Buffon
Maicon...Ferdinand...Chiellini....Lahm
....Fabregas....De Rossi...Gerrard
.................Kaka
......Ibrahimovic....Torres

Enough left out for a second team:

..................J. Cesar
Sergio Ramos...Mexes...Terry...Evra
Gattuso....Mascherano...Cambiasso
....Messi.....Eto'o.......C.Ronaldo

But just a couple of more years and expect Di Maria, Pato, Santon and Benzema to be regulars on that list.

[phil80]

Yeah, I'd put:

..................Buffon
Maicon...Ferdinand...Chiellini....Lahm
....Fabregas....De Rossi...Gerrard
.................Kaka
......Ibrahimovic....Torres

Enough left out for a second team:

..................J. Cesar
Sergio Ramos...Mexes...Terry...Evra
Gattuso....Mascherano...Cambiasso
....Messi.....Eto'o.......C.Ronaldo

But just a couple of more years and expect Di Maria, Pato, Santon and Benzema to be regulars on that list.
how is xavi not on either teams???

[Fried]

4-3-3 (average formation between "watchable" and "talkable about" football)

Maradona / Di Stéfano / (disputed)
Pelé / Platini / Cruyff
(disputed) / (disputed) / Beckenbauer / (disputed)
Yashin

[Fried]

IMO, Cafu would easily lose to Djalma Santos & Carlos Alberto in all fundaments.

He'd only tie with them in consistency.

What doesn't mean he hasn't been a pillar for Brazil (a moving pillar BTW) both as a defender and 'almost a wing' as you put.

But the former were far way more complete.

In the same case is Leandro, but what makes him not be so much more above Cafu is the fact that because of physical problems he never displayed in the NT the same consistency Cafu did.

Nelinho is another that's above Cafu, although not with the same efficiency in defense.

Cafu would dispute a heated battle with Jorginho for that 5th spot though.

If considering Bauer in a similar function, he must have been above Cafu too... :o

[shalom82]

how is xavi not on either teams???


Cause a team isn't just a collection of names IMO.
In the first team:

.......Buffon
Maicon...Ferdinand...Chiellini....Lahm
....Fabregas....De Rossi...Gerrard
.................Kaka
......Ibrahimovic....Torres

I have Fabregas dictating the pace of the game, and therefore he needs some muscular support in midfield, provided mainly by De Rossi (but Gerrard would di his part too). The problem is you need at least one tough defensive midfielder à la De Rossi to act as the glue between defence and offence. So I would have to replace Xavi with either Fabregas or Gerrard, and personally, I prefer those two.

In the second team:

..................J. Cesar
Sergio Ramos...Mexes...Terry...Evra
Gattuso....Mascherano...Cambiasso
....Messi.....Eto'o.......C.Ronaldo

I wanted a purely muscular midfield, as the gameplay would mainly be developed on the flanks as opposed to through the middle (which is the preferred gameplay of midfielders such as Fabregas, Xavi and Pirlo). Ultimately, when playing with Messi and Ronaldo, I prefer a strong midfield to a technical one, leaving the attacking stars free from any sort of defensive duty. I like how Xavi plays for Barça (in a very similar stlye of team to the one I listed here) but I believe when they will play against a top-level, compact and physical team such as Liverpool or Man U, Barça will show it's flaws. Just my own opinion though.

[phil80]

Cause a team isn't just a collection of names IMO.

xavi is not just another name. both him and iniesta have outplayed fabregas for club and country.

[shalom82]

xavi is not just another name.

And neither are the players I listed in my preferred super-team. Xavi is indeed a top class player, personally I prefer Pirlo, but they are both among the best midfielders of the past 10 years. But my first team already has Fabregas (who is 8 years younger than Xavi and IMO has greater margins for growth), whereas my second team doesn't contemplate that kind of player in its gameplay.
I understand that you like Xavi, so do I, but if I were constructing a young, dynamic superteam, I'd go with Fabregas over Pirlo and Xavi.

[phil80]

pirlo has been falling off a bit, the issue is xavi and iniesta have both outplayed fabregas for club and country (easily) and iniesta is around fabregas' age. I dont get how you rate cesc so higly (especially of late), but to each his own.

[shalom82]

pirlo has been falling off a bit, the issue is xavi and iniesta have both outplayed fabregas for club and country (easily) and iniesta is around fabregas' age. I dont get how you rate cesc so higly (especially of late), but to each his own.

Iniesta plays in a very different role from Fabregas and Xavi, he is far more effective in maneuvering towards the flank, allowing for the winger to close in towards the centre, and then passing sideways to facilitate the closure of Barça's midfielder's or wing-backs. He is an extraordinary player by all accounts, but in all honesty I am unable to find a tactical collocation for him on my two teams.
When I said "a team isn't just a collection of names" I wasn't taking a jab at you, implying that you're just listing all the top players, I actually meant that I wrote down the teams that I believe would produce the most effective gameplay together. That too isn't just about a player's role (wingback, defensive midfielder, attacking midfielder etc) as much as it is about finding duties to perform that both tender to the player's abilities AND are constructive to the team's mechanisms.

To give a simple example, take AC Milan, playing with Kaka and Pato up front. If you add Messi to the equation you've created a recipe for disaster, despite Messi being the best player around. What you need there is not Messi, it's Drogba or even Adebayor. And nobody with a sane mind would argue that the two Africans are better attacking players than Messi.

As far as Cesc is concerned, he is 3 years younger than Iniesta, and despite his serious injury this year, has still shown that has considerable margins for growth.

[phil80]

I understand the team needs the appropriate players in a lineup, and that is why i suggested iniesta/xavi instead of ribery because both can slot in your lineup and would be better used, as both can dictate the pace and i disagree iniesta's best role is towards the flank, it is just where he is forced to play many games and has done well there. His natural position is more central which he has said many times before but is willing to play other positions for the team.

[shalom82]

I understand the team needs the appropriate players in a lineup, and that is why i suggested iniesta/xavi instead of ribery because both can slot in your lineup and would be better used, as both can dictate the pace and i disagree iniesta's best role is towards the flank, it is just where he is forced to play many games and has done well there. His natural position is more central which he has said many times before but is willing to play other positions for the team.

I don't have Ribery in my two teams, he's not that class of player IMO. I mean yes, he's very good, but his being currently considered among the best is only testament to the fact that there's a pretty big vacuum behind Messi and C.Ronaldo at the moment, which will probably and hopefully be filled up when Kaka gets back to 2007 form, Pato steps his game up and Ibrahimovic actually begins to score some goals in the CL.

Having said that, I would rather have Iniesta in my team instead of Xavi. He's a more modern type of midfielder, more dynamic and also younger than Xavi.

[LeoMessi]

..................Casillas...................

...........Ferdinand.....Vidic.............

Ramos....................................Lahm

................Mascherano.................

.......Xavi.......................Iniesta.......

Messi..................................Ribery

....................Torres.....................



Subs - J.Cesar , Chiellini , Evra , C.Ronaldo , Gerrard , Villa , Kaka



Heres a sample I made just now

[phil80]

..................Casillas...................

...........Ferdinand.....Vidic.............

Ramos....................................Lahm

................Mascherano.................

.......Xavi.......................Iniesta.......

Messi..................................Ribery

....................Torres.....................



Subs - J.Cesar , Chiellini , Evra , C.Ronaldo , Gerrard , Villa , Kaka



Heres a sample I made just now

good lineup though i would put maicon over ramos and have robben on the bench and maybe starting.