more hidden feet in North American "football"?

[olckicker]

A few replies to a thread about gridiron mentioned that it was legal for a nonkicker to punt the ball in the run of play. What about fumbles? Is it legal to kick the ball toward the endzone (like in rugby)? It would be fun to see a 300 lb lineman kick a fumbled ball...

[CrewDust]

The ball can not be kicked intentionally if it has been fumbled.

[Khansingh]

Oh, but you're going to love this. Among other things, I'm a big fan of Canadian Football, in particular the Toronto Argonauts. In the second week of this season, they traveled to Vancouver to take on the British Columbia Lions. In the waning seconds, Noel Prefontaine hit a field goal to put the Argos up 23-22. However, in the CFL, 1:00 is worth three times as much... er... time. The Lions got the ball in range for a 31 yard field goal attempt. But Matt Kellett had already missed from 29 yards. Now in Canadian Football, the endzone is twenty yards beyond each goal line instead of ten, and the goal posts are on the goal line. What will usually happen is the defence (they spell everything like the English) keeps one man in the endzone to return a missed field goal. If he doesn't or the ball goes through the endzone, it's a rouge and the offence is awarded one point. You heard me. In this case, three Argos were in the endzone and wouldn't you know it, Kellett was wide right. Noel Prefontaine catches the ball, screws around with it in the back of the endzone to kill the last few seconds, then punts the ball out of the endzone. When it travels 25 yards, it's a live ball, although the receiving team has a five yard safety zone to play the ball. Now Kellett accidentally touches the ball, rendering it community property, an Argo lineman picks it up, and runs it all of the way back for touchdown with 0:00 on the clock. Argonauts 30, Lions 22. I'm not making this up.

[AndrewGK]

I always liked the CFL :) I can never see any games on TV anymore though.

WAR 3 downs for a First Down
WAR Wide-ass football fields

[Khansingh]

Dublin, Ohio? Home of Wendy's?

[MNAFETSC]

there is a rule where during live play where you can bounce the ball off the ground and kick it for a field goal.....about a year or two ago sportcenter did a little segment on that... and the one person who was an expert as it was that one chicago bears QB i cant believe i forgot his name but the one who won the superbowl

[LeperKhan]

It's called a drop kick, and it still is legal for both field goals and PATs, although no one does it. The player was Jim McMahon, and he was a back up for the Packers at the time of that segment. He'd practice drop goals in practice all the time when he didn't have anything to do. Apparently he asked Mike Holmgren to let him try one in a game but was denied.

Drop goals are a fairly common thing in rugby, although it's significantly easier to do since the ball is rounder and bounces straighter. I've been able to make a drop goal with a football from 25 to 30 yards, but not with any consistency at all.

[Wade Bills]

Originally posted by LeperKhan
It's called a drop kick, and it still is legal for both field goals and PATs, although no one does it.

I think the only drop kick I have ever seen was by Burt Reynolds in The Longest Yard

[LeperKhan]

Originally posted by Wade Bills


I think the only drop kick I have ever seen was by Burt Reynolds in The Longest Yard

My dad told me that when he played high school football in the 50s it was still fairly common and more a matter of individual taste - some people who kicked preferred place kicking, others drop kicking.

[AndrewGK]

Originally posted by Khansingh
Dublin, Ohio? Home of Wendy's?

The same :)

[Khansingh]

Originally posted by Wade Bills


I think the only drop kick I have ever seen was by Burt Reynolds in The Longest Yard

"What was that?"

"Drop kick."

"Drop kick? How much does that count?"

"Three points."

"Three points?"

"Three points."

"For that? Bullllshit!"

It's still perfectly legal, but God only knows if the officials would recognize it. But then again... "After reviewing the play, the quarterback's arm was going forward."

[skipshady]

Originally posted by LeperKhan
It's called a drop kick, and it still is legal for both field goals and PATs, although no one does it. The player was Jim McMahon, and he was a back up for the Packers at the time of that segment. He'd practice drop goals in practice all the time when he didn't have anything to do. Apparently he asked Mike Holmgren to let him try one in a game but was denied.

Drop goals are a fairly common thing in rugby, although it's significantly easier to do since the ball is rounder and bounces straighter. I've been able to make a drop goal with a football from 25 to 30 yards, but not with any consistency at all. Unless someone lied to my face, you can also use drop kicks like a forward pass, i.e. if a receiver catches it before the ball touches the ground again, it counts as a completion. But if the ball touches the ground, then the offense loses posession of the ball, just like a punt.

Doug Flutie can also drop kick.

Off topic: at our graduation, which was held at the football stadium, after we marched onto the field and before we took our seats, the rugby guys who were graduating got together, lined up and passed the ball down the line and the last guy did a drop kick. The ball split the uprights and a section of the crowd roared. I almost cried.

[Khansingh]

Originally posted by MNAFETSC
there is a rule where during live play where you can bounce the ball off the ground and kick it for a field goal.....about a year or two ago sportcenter did a little segment on that... and the one person who was an expert as it was that one chicago bears QB i cant believe i forgot his name but the one who won the superbowl

I think it was NFL 2Night. It was pretty funny because they showed soccer-style kickers (which is pretty much everyone) attempting drop kicks.

On a totally unrelated note, they also once did a segment about the butt smack. How many smacks, where on the butt, where to look. They broke down film of incorrect butt smacks. One shows an assistant coach for the Browns walk up behind a player doing his stretches and smacking his sweet, supple, round, thrust, delicious... sorry... rear end like ten times. Golic says, "All wrong. Just make it one smack and walk away." Then they showed Steve Mariucci smack a guy on the dumps and look at it while he's walking away. They stop the tape, take out the tellistrator, circle Steve's eyes, and say, "This is something you never want to do!" Then they ask Marty Schottenheimer why he never did it, to which he said, "Well I didn't want people to start talking."