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zippy85
21 Jan 2008, 07:36 PM
Minority black's problem,, and it's not in the same league as Germany, don't question my judgement of my own country, it's patronising.
Ouups i meant to say America and cannot edit now.

thejuggernaut
21 Jan 2008, 07:37 PM
I live in surrey so yes i think i have been.:rolleyes:
I know my country, i like it but the US is a class above any county in the world.
I'm not going to say we're in class by ourselves. And there are many exclusive problems that most countries don't have. (2 party system , GUNS, war on drugs, corprate america serfdom, 21 to drink) but with that said. It is pretty cool to live in a country that has 300 million people and civil. It's nice to live an hour and a half from ski resorts and hour and half from the beach. It's nice to have 50 different flavors of cola and 6 different flavors of Mountain Dew. As compared to our friends over the pond: How is it possible in England (and i've never been their so correct me if I'm wrong) that bigotry (on this forum for example) can exist between the English and the English. Meaning I absolutely have no clue, how people from liverpool, or sunderland, or the North or the South have, what I believe to be, so much animosity towards each other, or how third generation person who has an Indian last name would still not be considered English?. It's like there is some sort of belief if your born in one paticular area, you come from better stock. We sure as shit, have rascism in America but if I meet a guy from Houston, I'm not going to think of him in anyway different then if he was from any other city (maybe the state of New Jersey but their idiots). We might BE completely different and might actually completely dis-like one another, but I'll know that from talking to him, not from finding out which area of the country he's from or his accent. People from Boston, don't have much beef with people from Philadelphia. And to become a Philadelphian (or American) the only pre-requisite is to live here (it doesn't really matter where you were born... well unless your mexican but that's an issue for another day). Also, Our (US citizen's) money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) go to a church, or a queen, or anything else that's irrational... that money's spent on an war (that's pretty irrational).

zippy85
21 Jan 2008, 07:42 PM
I'm not going to say we're in class by ourselves. And there are many exclusive problems that most countries don't have. (2 party system , GUNS, war on drugs, corprate america serfdom, 21 to drink) but with that said. It is pretty cool to live in a country that has 300 million people and civil. It's nice to live an hour and a half from ski resorts and hour and half from the beach. It's nice to have 50 different flavors of cola and 6 different flavors of Mountain Dew. As compared to our friends over the pond: How is it possible in England (and i've never been their so correct me if I'm wrong) that bigotry (on this forum for example) can exist between the English and the English. Meaning I absolutely have no clue, how people from liverpool, or sunderland, or the North or the South have, what I believe to be, so much animosity towards each other, or how third generation person who has an Indian last name would still not be considered English?. It's like there is some sort of belief if your born in one paticular area, you come from better stock. We sure as shit, have rascism in America but if I meet a guy from Houston, I'm not going to think of him in anyway different then if he was from any other city (maybe the state of New Jersey but their idiots). We might BE completely different and might actually completely dis-like one another, but I'll know that from talking to him, not from finding out which area of the country he's from or his accent. People from Boston, don't have much beef with people from Philadelphia. And to become a Philadelphian (or American) the only pre-requisite is to live here (it doesn't really matter where you were born... well unless your mexican but that's an issue for another day). Also, Our (US citizen's) money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) go to a church, or a queen, or anything else that's irrational... that money's spent on an war (that's pretty irrational).
I dont not want be rude but everything you just said about Britain is 100% wrong, we are the most racially tolerant county in the world, i would bet everthing i own on that, ask Thiery Henry and any more they have written articals in papers on it.

P.S You are on a football forum it is rivalry you don't have in the US.

thejuggernaut
21 Jan 2008, 07:49 PM
I dont not want be rude but everything you just said about Britain is 100% wrong, we are the most racially tolerant county in the world, i would bet everthing i own on that, ask Thiery Henry and any more they have written articals in papers on it.

P.S You are on a football forum it is rivalry you don't have in the US.
Fair enough, I'm all ears. Maybe becuase I'm so obsorbed by football culture, I am unable to see what life is really like in England. But you see the parrellels between what I know about England from Movies, Books, Forums and what you know about America from Movies, Books, Forums. I think we may have two distorted images.

zippy85
21 Jan 2008, 07:52 PM
Fair enough, I'm all ears. Maybe becuase I'm so obsorbed by football culture, I am unable to see what life is really like in England. But you see the parrellels between what I know about England from Movies, Books, Forums and what you know about America from Movies, Books, Forums. I think we may have two distorted images.
Do'nt ask me to talk about racial issues last time everybody bullied me and then stopped talking to me for bit.

benni...
21 Jan 2008, 07:52 PM
WTF? What ever the problems you guys have, while living here, in the US. Trust me, are not gonna magically disappear the minute you guys get to England... Also, the weather sucks.

The football culture is dead over here. Some try, but its not big.

Red Jeph
21 Jan 2008, 07:59 PM
WTF? What ever the problems you guys have, while living here, in the US. Trust me, are not gonna magically disappear the minute you guys get to England... Also, the weather sucks.

I don't have any problems in the US, I just love England, and Europe in general. The history, the short distances between so many different countries and cultures... and the football.

Also, don't talk to me about weather when its January and I am in Chicago. ;)

thejuggernaut
21 Jan 2008, 08:00 PM
The football culture is dead over here. Some try, but its not big.
I wouldn't give up this early in the fight bud. We got Jose Altidore. I read something in 4-4-2 that America had a better youth system than britian (i don't believe it) but for someone to say that in a foriegn mag, it must mean we're getting somewhere. People have to get into it for themselves, your not going to be able to sit someone down and say "this is the shit, watch it" but little by little someday we may have soccer in where lets say Hockey is. It's exciting to me, but perhaps, your seeing something I'm not.

Howard Zinn
21 Jan 2008, 08:01 PM
Have you ever lived there? There is sssoooo much wrong with that country compared to what some people this side of the ocean seem to think that it boggles the mind.


And there are many more problems in Europe than many American liberals that fantasize about it would ever admit, so it evens out.

After spending five months in your lovely country, I can easily say that neither side of the ocean is the heaven that certain portions of the population make them out to be.

thejuggernaut
21 Jan 2008, 08:03 PM
I don't have any problems in the US, I just love England, and Europe in general. The history, the short distances between so many different countries and cultures... and the football.

Also, don't talk to me about weather when its January and I am in Chicago. ;)
I'll tell you what. I HAVE BEEN TO CHICAGO and that place is absolutely, inequivicably THE SHIT. Chicago is like nowhere else i've been. I can't tell you how many people I see with this stupid flag tatoo'd on em and when I found out what the flag was... (flag of chicago) I said "that's the shit!"

zippy85
21 Jan 2008, 08:03 PM
I don't have any problems in the US, I just love England, and Europe in general. The history, the short distances between so many different countries and cultures... and the football.

Also, don't talk to me about weather when its January and I am in Chicago. ;)
Exactly, i bet the northen east coast of the US has the same weather as us, and i know you get miles more snow in the north east than we do(size ratio)

Red Jeph
21 Jan 2008, 08:05 PM
I'll tell you what. I HAVE BEEN TO CHICAGO and that place is absolutely, inequivicably THE SHIT. Chicago is like nowhere else i've been. I can't tell you how many people I see with this stupid flag tatoo'd on em and when I found out what the flag was... (flag of chicago) I said "that's the shit!"

I love Chicago, just not the weather in January.

antifan
21 Jan 2008, 08:08 PM
I wouldn't give up this early in the fight bud. We got Jose Altidore. I read something in 4-4-2 that America had a better youth system than britian (i don't believe it) but for someone to say that in a foriegn mag, it must mean we're getting somewhere. People have to get into it for themselves, your not going to be able to sit someone down and say "this is the shit, watch it" but little by little someday we may have soccer in where lets say Hockey is. It's exciting to me, but perhaps, your seeing something I'm not.


I was pleased to see this news on Soccernet a few weeks ago:

"CASL 91 Elite walked away as champions of the U-16 Showcase Division in the Disney's Soccer Showcase presented by Chelsea FC at Disney's Wide World of Sports Complex, Dec. 27-30. The team from Raleigh, NC pulled off an upset that the young players will remember for the rest of their lives with a 2-1 win over the world-renowned Chelsea FC U-16 team."


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=494602&cc=5901

Granted
21 Jan 2008, 08:09 PM
I have relatives outside of Chicago, so we visit occasionaly.

And I do have to agree, I really enjoy the city as a whole, maybe its my Midwestern bias, but I regard it very highly. I think Wayne's World helped me to like it a little bit more.

But I whenever people here in Ohio (yes, the coolest of the cool), talk about go away, they say the Windy City.

thejuggernaut
21 Jan 2008, 08:09 PM
I love Chicago, just not the weather in January.
Exactly my point. You said you wanted to switch. But I'm telling u, best case scenario is that you love it over there. And guess what you gain... nothing.

thejuggernaut
21 Jan 2008, 08:12 PM
I have relatives outside of Chicago, so we visit occasionaly.

And I do have to agree, I really enjoy the city as a whole, maybe its my Midwestern bias, but I regard it very highly. I think Wayne's World helped me to like it a little bit more.

But I whenever people here in Ohio (yes, the coolest of the cool), talk about go away, they say the Windy City.
You got the Cubs (the greatest and shittiest team ever), the best 2 improvs in the world, a lake with a beach, the ********in L is a bit of a pain but also cool as shit. You got crazy ********in hotdogs. I could go on all day.

SirManchester
21 Jan 2008, 08:17 PM
And there are many more problems in Europe than many American liberals that fantasize about it would ever admit, so it evens out.

After spending five months in your lovely country, I can easily say that neither side of the ocean is the heaven that certain portions of the population make them out to be.

cool, so you've explored that entire side of the ocean or just where you lived?

holytoledo
21 Jan 2008, 08:34 PM
Have you ever lived there? There is sssoooo much wrong with that country compared to what some people this side of the ocean seem to think that it boggles the mind.

A couple vacations and you figured that out, eh?

zippy85
21 Jan 2008, 08:38 PM
This is'nt world rivaries guys, i started of praising the US and still believe what i said but some of you guys are turning me off the US.

billyireland
21 Jan 2008, 08:44 PM
Well then everbody is screwed in general, i'm sure you talk about things you have never experienced.:(Such as? It is somewhat akin to me calling one film that I have not seen undoubtedly better than one I have. It's just silly really - makes no sense.