I honestly think the US got lucky. [R]

[FenoFutbol]

I play and have many Mexican and estadounidense friends.

USA? Nothing new, score out of a set piece, getting lucky on the Donovan run.

Mexico? remember I told you guys that Kikin wasnt that good? and that Borgueti was not between the best concacaf player ever?? I think it was Jared and somebody else that were madly claiming Mexican forwards domination over CA forwards.

I honestly was expecting a lot more from Dempsey, Convey, and Donovan... really nothing new.

Two players that really got my attention was the US keeper, Howard I think. Very interesting look. A lot of confidence for a keeper that nobody knew untill yesterday.

Guardado :eek: are you kidding me? Why isnt this kid playing for Madrid or AC Milan?? he is got some little something going on. Very interesting for a Mexican defender, best player in the game!

As far as US having the second team, what? Who was the US missing? Freedy Adu? ha, Rossi?

Dont get confuse Mexico put the soccer, the US defend the whole game and got lucky.

I was expecting a lot more from both sides, it was supposed to be the "clasico" of concacaf and the first half was boring as f..

Why does Rafa Marquez keep sending those longs balls? He though he was playing next to Ronaldinho or something?

Again thats just my opinion, I really wish to see more Guardados in the future of both, bc if it wasnt bc Guardado came to the game fired it up, it would have been a second half with long balls just like the first half.

Good luck to both. See you in the Gold Cup

[green94]

There aren't enough of these posts on BS...

[ThreeApples]

Two players that really got my attention was the US keeper, Howard I think. Very interesting look. A lot of confidence for a keeper that nobody knew untill yesterday.Maybe winning an FA Cup and being named to the Premiership's best XI helped build his confidence.

[Jabinho]

This article does a good job talking about this constant "luck" nonsense explaining Mexican loses to the USA :

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=407456&root=us&cc=5901

But I guess USA fans should be perfectly happy for Mexican fans and players/coaches to continue to believe it as that will assure continued success against Mexico...;)

[Popol Vuh]

This is nothing new, the US always plays Mexico the same way and it always works.

[bbsbt]

This article does a good job talking about this constant "luck" nonsense explaining Mexican loses to the USA :

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=407456&root=us&cc=5901

From the article: "It hurts a lot to lose to the U.S, because they enjoy it and they take pleasure in it," Sanchez said.



Sanchez must be a regular here at BigSoccer. :D

[El Chuma]

I play and have many Mexican and estadounidense friends.

USA? Nothing new, score out of a set piece, getting lucky on the Donovan run.

Mexico? remember I told you guys that Kikin wasnt that good? and that Borgueti was not between the best concacaf player ever?? I think it was Jared and somebody else that were madly claiming Mexican forwards domination over CA forwards.

I honestly was expecting a lot more from Dempsey, Convey, and Donovan... really nothing new.

Two players that really got my attention was the US keeper, Howard I think. Very interesting look. A lot of confidence for a keeper that nobody knew untill yesterday.

Guardado :eek: are you kidding me? Why isnt this kid playing for Madrid or AC Milan?? he is got some little something going on. Very interesting for a Mexican defender, best player in the game!

As far as US having the second team, what? Who was the US missing? Freedy Adu? ha, Rossi?

Dont get confuse Mexico put the soccer, the US defend the whole game and got lucky.

I was expecting a lot more from both sides, it was supposed to be the "clasico" of concacaf and the first half was boring as f..

Why does Rafa Marquez keep sending those longs balls? He though he was playing next to Ronaldinho or something?

Again thats just my opinion, I really wish to see more Guardados in the future of both, bc if it wasnt bc Guardado came to the game fired it up, it would have been a second half with long balls just like the first half.

Good luck to both. See you in the Gold Cup

Luck, nah we we had our chances we finished, they did not, get real...

[peteo]

Yep, I believe you weren't lying about what you thought. :confused: Me, if I think that, I'd be lying to myself. Just sayin'. :)

[Cesc Fabregas]

Luck is winning once or twice, but the USA kick Mexico's ass everytime they meet. That's not luck, that's ownage.

[FenoFutbol]

Luck, nah we we had our chances we finished, they did not, get real...

Those teams were effective because they changed the game plan against the U.S. Yet as long as Mexico continues to blame its losses on fickle fortune and refuses to vary its tactical approach against the U.S., one can expect that it might be a while before Mexico manages to obtain a positive result on American soil.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=407456&root=us&cc=5901

Nah dude, the point here is not making Mexico look good or bad, the same with the us.

Is making concacaf more competitive.

Crap, even when Honduras or El Salvador play Mexico at home, they try to attack.

A win is a win and thats true, just like p.. is p..

Fact is our game is not improving that much as everyone think. Im talking about concacaf level of playing.

It does not help concacaf to have the US winning "tactical" crap againts powerhouse Mexico. Tactical games are boring... and I do want to hear from those US and Mexican fans, where are the "world" class players they claim to have in our region?

Bla bla bla we win south american cups... bla bla we beat chelsea on a friendly match, how does that help?

If it wasnt for Guardado, the game would have been just another EPL game with long balls and crosses...

Blanco was trying to play some real soccer out there, but he is old.

Where was super "he played for EPL" borgueti? where was "he is better than Pescadito Ruiz" Kikin??? Where was "we beat colo colo" talent????

Now where was super "dempsey?" where was "they play for the best league in the world" squad??? Are you serious?

Is that the best we can in concacaf??? OMG, I may not even watch Copa America, it will be masoquismo, Ill may just pull for Argentina or Brasil and have not hope for our concacaf REPRESENTATIVES, maybe Costa Rica or Honduras do better (are they going to copa america?)

Very disapointed with what I saw yesterday on the field, a US playing "tactical" on a scrimage, so when is the US going to adopt the winning attitud and the attacking style of soccer???

The "tactical" game works againts Mexico, would it work againts Brazil or Argentina in Copa America???

Being Latino, and living in the US, in these games you cant take sides, you have to take the side of good soccer, you have to cheer for the best moves and the best dudes out there, since you cant really take pride on any side, you may as well look for quality.

I didnt see any quality on the game, not what Im used to hear from concacaf giant mexicans fans and from I love EPL style US fans...

It will be even more painfull to see any of these teams winning the gold cup since Central American soccer is supposed to be less professional

the Copa America... ay caramba, may god be with you.

So how much is Real Madrid offering for David Suazo? He is from Honduras rigth?

[calibre]

I play and have many Mexican and estadounidense friends.

USA? Nothing new, score out of a set piece, getting lucky on the Donovan run.

Mexico? remember I told you guys that Kikin wasnt that good? and that Borgueti was not between the best concacaf player ever?? I think it was Jared and somebody else that were madly claiming Mexican forwards domination over CA forwards.

I honestly was expecting a lot more from Dempsey, Convey, and Donovan... really nothing new.

Two players that really got my attention was the US keeper, Howard I think. Very interesting look. A lot of confidence for a keeper that nobody knew untill yesterday.

Guardado :eek: are you kidding me? Why isnt this kid playing for Madrid or AC Milan?? he is got some little something going on. Very interesting for a Mexican defender, best player in the game!

As far as US having the second team, what? Who was the US missing? Freedy Adu? ha, Rossi?

Dont get confuse Mexico put the soccer, the US defend the whole game and got lucky.

I was expecting a lot more from both sides, it was supposed to be the "clasico" of concacaf and the first half was boring as f..

Why does Rafa Marquez keep sending those longs balls? He though he was playing next to Ronaldinho or something?

Again thats just my opinion, I really wish to see more Guardados in the future of both, bc if it wasnt bc Guardado came to the game fired it up, it would have been a second half with long balls just like the first half.

Good luck to both. See you in the Gold Cup

Amen brother.

[Antonio81]

I think both Mexico and the USA have inferiority complexes. Mexico can go head to head against any team in the world and fall apart every time they run into the USA.

The US, on the other hand, has an inferiority complex against teams from Northern and Eastern Europe. In 1998, they were in awe of a horrible Germany team that didn`t break a sweat beating them. They came out to play against Iran, and then got frightened and hid again against an even worse(having an off-day) Yugoslavia. The same exact thing happened against bad Polish and Czech sides in 2002 and 2006.

Costa Rica is just inconsistent. They`ve gone to the Copa America and gone head to head against good South American sides, played beautifully in 2002, have beaten Mexico in the Azteca, and won against Argentina at home(where they`re almost unbeatable). Then on their off days they were played off the field by Cuba and lost to Canada in a crucial game.

One of the biggest problem with all of them was the coaches. Both Guimaraes and Arena had swollen egos after stellar(may have been lucky too) performances in 2002. I saw Costa Rica`s fall comming from almost a year ago, but have no idea what happened to Bruce in Germany, he was completely outcoached in all three games; and Lavalope was just an idiot(though right now I`m not sure how much better Sanchez with all his big talk is).

Trinidad, with one of the world`s best coaches put out a good performances.

[dmike]

I play and have many Mexican and estadounidense friends.

USA? Nothing new, score out of a set piece, getting lucky on the Donovan run.


Lucky run??? Maybe you should watch the replay and notice Landon had to smoke 3 defenders to get to Sanchez. Fact is none of the Mexi defenders have the speed LandyCakes has. Problem was we need to find a way for our midfield to hold the ball and let Landy get more chances. Which is why we had some new guys out there trying to figure out who needed to be there.


Mexico? remember I told you guys that Kikin wasnt that good? and that Borgueti was not between the best concacaf player ever?? I think it was Jared and somebody else that were madly claiming Mexican forwards domination over CA forwards.

Sadly those are Mexico's best right now.

Please don't start with Vela or the Greek guy.


I honestly was expecting a lot more from Dempsey, Convey, and Donovan... really nothing new.

Dempsey just started playing since October. Obviously he's still finding his form but he was the only bright side in that first half for us. Convey is another whom just came back from injury and is yet to play for Reading.
Which was why everyone questioned these particular euro callups.

Donovan actually was his old self out there for some moments. Going at defenders instead of trying to pass the ball.


Guardado :eek: are you kidding me? Why isnt this kid playing for Madrid or AC Milan?? he is got some little something going on. Very interesting for a Mexican defender, best player in the game!

The kid looked great out there but don't get carried away. He came in as a 2nd half sub with fresh legs and just ate up Albright whom has no business in the NT. Neither does Gros. If we would of had any of our RB Euros it would of been a different tale.


As far as US having the second team, what? Who was the US missing? Freedy Adu? ha, Rossi?

Please don't be stupid

Gooch was obviously was missing. Beasley , he is in better form than Convey on the left side to begin with. Dolo whom is a beast on that RB side. Wolff still falls ahead of Rolfe or Johnson ATM.

And our potential LB is most likely Spector. Clark and Mastro will have to compete for their jobs in the future against Bradley and Benny.


Dont get confuse Mexico put the soccer, the US defend the whole game and got lucky.

I was expecting a lot more from both sides, it was supposed to be the "clasico" of concacaf and the first half was boring as f..

Obviously this had to be your first USA-Mexico game huh

Cause you should of known this was gonna be a stagnant game.


Why does Rafa Marquez keep sending those longs balls? He though he was playing next to Ronaldinho or something?

idk


Again thats just my opinion, I really wish to see more Guardados in the future of both, bc if it wasnt bc Guardado came to the game fired it up, it would have been a second half with long balls just like the first half.

Good luck to both. See you in the Gold Cup

Pretty sure Hugo is gonna use Guardado. No Brainer.

Either way stop with the excuses and crying. Mexico brought THEIR BEST PROVEN SQUAD to Arizona. Why? They wanted to make a statement and proclaimed it as the "new era". We tried to string passes together and hold possesion but it wasen't gonna work with Clark and Mastro in the middle of things. That was Clark's first REAL taste of international play. Same went for Rolfe whom was beyond intimidated everytime he got the ball up there.

You know what though? Im glad we had Rolfe out there instead of McBride of Wolff. Im glad we had Albright out there instead of Dolo. Im glad the other young guys got a taste of pressure and victory. If you think Bradley intentionally had a bunkering strategy like Bruce would of had then your mistaken.

[CLTGunner]

I play and have many Mexican and estadounidense friends.

Two players that really got my attention was the US keeper, Howard I think. Very interesting look. A lot of confidence for a keeper that nobody knew untill yesterday.


Yeah, Howard...nice kid. Didn't he play for that Mansfield United or something? Oh well, name of the club isn't important. I'm just happy to see he's making a name for himself now.

[DCFAN96]

As far as US having the second team, what? Who was the US missing? Freedy Adu? ha, Rossi?


You obviously no nothing about you soccer. Lets see we were missing Gooch, Gibbs, Demerit, Spector, Beasley (thats five EPL starters), Dolo (Bundesliga defender/captain), Pearce, and you could make a case for Feilhaber, Bradley, Hill (all 3 seeing first team minutes in Germany and Holland), and Cooper (arguably the best target foward we got).

Your absolutely right we were missing nobody.
:rolleyes:

Get a clue the US won...again and fully deserved to, so stop whining. Wait till Guardado plays against Dolo or Spector before crowning the guy your savior.

[R9Kevinr9]

Everyone knows Tim Howard!!!!!!!!!!! And Mexico is not very good, they get owned time and time again vs USA.

[FenoFutbol]

You obviously no nothing about you soccer. Lets see we were missing Gooch, Gibbs, Demerit, Spector, Beasley (thats five EPL starters), Dolo (Bundesliga defender/captain), Pearce, and you could make a case for Feilhaber, Bradley, Hill (all 3 seeing first team minutes in Germany and Holland), and Cooper (arguably the best target foward we got).

Your absolutely right we were missing nobody.
:rolleyes:

Get a clue the US won...again and fully deserved to, so stop whining. Wait till Guardado plays against Dolo or Spector before crowning the guy your savior.

Im what? know nothing?

I know quality futbol and thats enough. You are not quality and you dont win, Idk know who you are and i dont care.

US has his best player on the field, that is Donovan, and he still got lucky on that goal, he is got some speed but again he is not Samuel Eto...

Spector, bush, cheney, whoever you want to name, theyre notbodies, and the fact that they come from EPL only means they would be more long balls and more "physical" plays in the next game.

Reina is not there anymore so nobody with creatity is on the field for the US, as far as the players that are missing, Ill buy into Besley bc I know who that kid is and I know what he can do, a little faster than donovan, nothing big.

As far as the other dudes, theyre obviously not world class, and not as important as you make it sound.

Im still waiting for the Mexicans "dometination" of concacaf forwards statements.

Oh and the class and the impact EPL players make on the US game???

Happy with the defensive, long ball strategic crap? good for you, good luck in Copa America.

I can see the "soccer people" talking again about how different it will be if we had the best athletes in the US playing in the Copa America, and how good the US did bc they tied to Chile with an own goal, and how dissaponted they feel when Bolivia send them home with a victory after understanding American supersecret strategy... put 10 men on goal and hit long balls to Donovan, and long crosses to Mc Bride... oh nooo MC bride would not be there...

[Tello]

You obviously no nothing about you soccer. Lets see we were missing Gooch, Gibbs, Demerit, Spector, Beasley (thats five EPL starters), Dolo (Bundesliga defender/captain), Pearce, and you could make a case for Feilhaber, Bradley, Hill (all 3 seeing first team minutes in Germany and Holland), and Cooper (arguably the best target foward we got).

Your absolutely right we were missing nobody.
:rolleyes:

Get a clue the US won...again and fully deserved to, so stop whining. Wait till Guardado plays against Dolo or Spector before crowning the guy your savior.

Ok whatever...just stop saying Dolo is a captain in germany cuz he isnt...i just watched them play the other day and he is not the captain...he was captain like once or twice...but then again so was Pavel Pardo for Stuttgart and Marquez for Barcelona.

[Johnny619]

I think both Mexico and the USA have inferiority complexes. Mexico can go head to head against any team in the world and fall apart every time they run into the USA.

The US, on the other hand, has an inferiority complex against teams from Northern and Eastern Europe. In 1998, they were in awe of a horrible Germany team that didn`t break a sweat beating them. They came out to play against Iran, and then got frightened and hid again against an even worse(having an off-day) Yugoslavia. The same exact thing happened against bad Polish and Czech sides in 2002 and 2006.

Costa Rica is just inconsistent. They`ve gone to the Copa America and gone head to head against good South American sides, played beautifully in 2002, have beaten Mexico in the Azteca, and won against Argentina at home(where they`re almost unbeatable). Then on their off days they were played off the field by Cuba and lost to Canada in a crucial game.

One of the biggest problem with all of them was the coaches. Both Guimaraes and Arena had swollen egos after stellar(may have been lucky too) performances in 2002. I saw Costa Rica`s fall comming from almost a year ago, but have no idea what happened to Bruce in Germany, he was completely outcoached in all three games; and Lavalope was just an idiot(though right now I`m not sure how much better Sanchez with all his big talk is).

Trinidad, with one of the world`s best coaches put out a good performances.


Agreed!

[DCFAN96]

Ok whatever...just stop saying Dolo is a captain in germany cuz he isnt...i just watched them play the other day and he is not the captain...he was captain like once or twice...but then again so was Pavel Pardo for Stuttgart and Marquez for Barcelona.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Cherundolo

Do some reading kid...

"Cherundolo is highly thought of at Hannover and wears the captain's armband more often than not."

Rafa isn't even a top 10 choice for the captains armband at Barca get real.