The Best Players EVER...

[Green Tabasco]

This is the most common discussion of all time.

I know that different players played in different eras and BLAH BLAH BLAH.....so lets make this interesting.

Name the top three players of all time for each country and name the era they played in.

Argentina
Brazil
England
France
Germany
Holland
Italy
Mexico
Spain

I know I left out alot of countries (incuding all the African nations)
But traditionally the countries mentioned are the POWER HOUSES. The countries that produce the best players. What do you think?

By the way.....I need someone to clear something up for me....Is Di Stefano Argentinian or Spanish? LOL and why does he have an Italian last name?
Something to think about......

[tpmazembe]

Mexico? (no disrespect intended)....over Uruguay, Hungary, etc.

You might consider refining your criteria. The answers sought might be too lengthy for general discussion. Maybe...which country has produced three best players ever...... Just a thought.

It's your post though, good luck.

[Green Tabasco]

good point...It might be too lengthy a discussion...

Mexico? Absolutely....some great playes came out of mexico....Hugo Sanchez to name one....

[Lawmill]

Di Stefano was born in Argentina. He left to play for Millionarios in Colombia, then crossed the Atlantic to play for Madrid. He was capped by Argentina and later on, Spain.

Real Madrid has not forgotten what he did for the club and he continues to be a major representative of the club. I believe his primary residence has been Spain ever since he first played for Barcelona.

Many Argentines are of Italian blood. They can often get Italian passports to play in Europe. As another example, the Xenxese(sp?) on the bottom of Boca Jr. shirts is a phonetic (sort of) spelling of Genoese.

[Green Tabasco]

Thanks lawmill I was not aware of his origins. this clears up my confusion.

[condor11]

Originally posted by robincd
good point...It might be too lengthy a discussion...

Mexico? Absolutely....some great playes came out of mexico....Hugo Sanchez to name one....
name another

sorry but uruguay is the 3rd biggest producer of players in the americas just look at how many players they have in europe and around the americas

[minorthreat]

Originally posted by robincd
SpainOkay, fine, I'll bite. Discounting non-Spanish born players that played for Spain (di Stefano, Puskas, Kubala, etc) and currently active players (I don't really think Raul should be considered in an all-time list until his career finishes), Spain's three best ever players, as far as I'm concerned, are:

Ricardo Zamora (1930's-1940's)
Francisco Gento (1940's-1960's)
Luis Suarez (1950's-70's)

[Green Tabasco]

H Sanchez, Campos, Garcia Aspe etc.

Your right though, Uruguay has had some fine players over the years....The big one now is RECOBA I think. Paraguay has also had some good players....Chilavert and that kid Roque Santa Cruz (sp) (he plays in germany) is a bonified STAR. He showed his class in the WC. Someone from the BIG Three leagues should pick him up, He would do very well there. Particularily in the defense style of play that comes from Italy. He would do well in Spain, But maybe not so well in England.

But I digress, we are getting away from the real discussion.....

[Green Tabasco]

Originally posted by C-towner
Okay, fine, I'll bite. Discounting non-Spanish born players that played for Spain (di Stefano, Puskas, Kubala, etc) and currently active players (I don't really think Raul should be considered in an all-time list until his career finishes), Spain's three best ever players, as far as I'm concerned, are:

Ricardo Zamora (1930's-1940's)
Francisco Gento (1940's-1960's)
Luis Suarez (1950's-70's)

Good point...thanks for the info

[Jc18star]

Originally posted by robincd
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Name the top three players of all time for each country and name the era they played in.

Argentina
Brazil
England
France
Germany
Holland
Italy
Mexico
Spain
[/B]

Argentina- Maradona,Kempes,Batigol

Brazil- Too many to name Really the majority of the 1970 WC team couls be on the list as well as the 82 team and Carlos Ronaldo and Rivaldo could make a good case when they quit national team football as well.

England- Moore,Liniker,Shearer, Gazza maybe if he had less demons

France- Platini, Zidane, maybe Fontiane from the 50's he scored 13 in one World Cup, mind you I never saw him play but that is quite a feat.

Germany- Another tough choice I have to go with Klinsmann, Beckenbauer , and Muller.

Holland- Cruyff(Johan not Jordi :)), Van Basten, Gullit or Bergkamp that one is a toss up.

Italy-Rossi, R. Baggio, Maldini.

Mexico- the names I would have picked have all ready been listed, but I wouldn't consider them a ture World Powerhouse unless it is for pure dirty play and piss poor displays of disicpline( although the Cobi Jones mugging this summer was great if there is one player I wouldn't mind seeing get lashed out at its that bum)

Spain- Raul (top goalscorer in their history), Michelle(sp), I can't think anymore too tired.

[El Buki]

Originally posted by Jc18star
Argentina- Maradona,Kempes,Batigol


Mexico- the names I would have picked have all ready been listed, but I wouldn't consider them a ture World Powerhouse unless it is for pure dirty play and piss poor displays of disicpline( although the Cobi Jones mugging this summer was great if their is one player i wouldn't mind seeing get lashed out at its that bum)



Snifff...Snifff just pissed that the US doesn't have a name on the list and won't have one for years to come.

[Aguilas Del America]

Originally posted by Jc18star

Mexico- the names I would have picked have all ready been listed, but I wouldn't consider them a ture World Powerhouse unless it is for pure dirty play and piss poor displays of disicpline( although the Cobi Jones mugging this summer was great if there is one player I wouldn't mind seeing get lashed out at its that bum)


No you missed the players who handed all the lowly CONCACRAP nations their asses on a regular basis

for example
Luis Roberto Alves Zague
Luis Garcia
Jorge Negrete
Carlos Hermosillo
Ricardo Pelaez
Ramon Ramirez
El Abuelo Cruz
El Vasco Aguirre
Quirarte
Manuel Lapuente
Herrera
Garcia Aspe
Jorge Campos
Claudio Suarez
Ignacio Ambris
and YOUR TEAM'S all time greatest player (VOTED BY THE FANS) Hugo Sanchez
:)

and the list goes on ...

[Jc18star]

Originally posted by Tecos
Snifff...Snifff just pissed that the US doesn't have a name on the list and won't have one for years to come.

I really could care less about the lack of US players on this list, none deserve to be there, but really the players there for Mexico other than Hugo S. are suspect at best to be on any all time great list anywhere in the World.

The fact the Mexico are dirty cheaters and for the most part total crap has nothing to due with the fact I live in the USA it has to do with the way they play and conduct themselves on the pitch. They foul to hurt players and try to get people sent off at any time for anything plus they have no concept of defense on any level other than "kick the guy that is better than me".

I have never played against a Mexican team or player without getting hacked at least one time where I thought the guy wanted to blow my knee out or break my leg, face it Mexico and 99.9% of their players blow monkey nuts .

I may be wrong on this one as well but didn't the US send Mexico packing this past summer and that was how many losses in a row against the USA,and again Mexico showed "total class" by attacking a player from the better team.

Regardless of how much fun it was to see someone do Cobi wrong and the look of horror on the faces of all the little kids that think hes good because he has "cool" hair, it was still a crappy move to pull at the World Cup but coming from a Mexican I wasn't shocked because they are lacking in the class dept. on just about every level.

[condor11]

Originally posted by Aguilas Del America

and YOUR TEAM'S all time greatest player (VOTED BY THE FANS) Hugo Sanchez
:)

really ahead of
rcarlos
puskas
distefano
raul
hierro
zidane
etc

[El Buki]

Originally posted by condor11
really ahead of
rcarlos
puskas
distefano
raul
hierro
zidane
etc

yes that is what R. Madrid players (past and present) voted. Remember, he is the Penta-Pipichi

[Jc18star]

Originally posted by Aguilas Del America
No you missed the players who handed all the lowly CONCACRAP nations their asses on a regular basis

for example
Luis Roberto Alves Zague
Luis Garcia
Jorge Negrete
Carlos Hermosillo
Ricardo Pelaez
Ramon Ramirez
El Abuelo Cruz
El Vasco Aguirre
Quirarte
Manuel Lapuente
Herrera
Garcia Aspe
Jorge Campos
Claudio Suarez
Ignacio Ambris
and YOUR TEAM'S all time greatest player (VOTED BY THE FANS) Hugo Sanchez
:)

and the list goes on ...

I have seen just about all of them play and the ones that you listed Aspe Campos and Hugo were the ones i said i would agree with, Zauge was ok too but he had Puskas and Veiri' sproblem all left foot but i think he bagged like 7 goals for Mexico in one game which is a World record if I remember right.

I am not aware of the poll that voted hugo Real's best player ever although he does have a case along with Puskas, Di Stefiano, and a few others.

I know he is held in very high regard in Madrid
(and by myself as well), But I do know his "bike" that he scored was voted the best goal ever quite a few times it usually trades places with Maradona's 86 England goal on most polls, and is one of the most used pictures of a single moment in football ever.

[Lawmill]

Jc18star:

I have never played against a Mexican team or player without getting hacked at least one time where I thought the guy wanted to blow my knee out or break my leg, face it Mexico and 99.9% of their players blow monkey nuts .

This is straight-up racist. I've played against plenty of Mexicans and other Latin Americans; they don't hack any more than anyone else. Now, if I had a goal for every time a 6'3 Euro has barrelled into me...

Then again, if someone were throwing racist trash talk at me the whole game I wouldn't hesitate to injure them.

I don't cheer for Mexico, but I admire their accomplishments. They played some great soccer in the J/K group matches and have produced some fine players in the past.

[Sardinia]

Italy - Riva (1965-1975), Valentino Mazzola (40's), Piola (30's), Meazza (30's).

[Albion + England]

Originally posted by Jc18star
Argentina- Maradona,Kempes,Batigol

Brazil- Too many to name Really the majority of the 1970 WC team couls be on the list as well as the 82 team and Carlos Ronaldo and Rivaldo could make a good case when they quit national team football as well.

England- Moore,Liniker,Shearer, Gazza maybe if he had less demons

France- Platini, Zidane, maybe Fontiane from the 50's he scored 13 in one World Cup, mind you I never saw him play but that is quite a feat.

Germany- Another tough choice I have to go with Klinsmann, Beckenbauer , and Muller.

Holland- Cruyff(Johan not Jordi :)), Van Basten, Gullit or Bergkamp that one is a toss up.

Italy-Rossi, R. Baggio, Maldini.

Mexico- the names I would have picked have all ready been listed, but I wouldn't consider them a ture World Powerhouse unless it is for pure dirty play and piss poor displays of disicpline( although the Cobi Jones mugging this summer was great if there is one player I wouldn't mind seeing get lashed out at its that bum)

Spain- Raul (top goalscorer in their history), Michelle(sp), I can't think anymore too tired.

Surely for England Bobby Charlton, Greaves, Matthews, Finney, Robson would have to be above Shearer? Definitely Gascoigne in there though, he was a genius.

[Green Tabasco]

Originally posted by Albion + England
Surely for England Bobby Charlton, Greaves, Matthews, Finney, Robson would have to be above Shearer? Definitely Gascoigne in there though, he was a genius.

Albion....I think u nailed it on the head....thats a pretty good list....Hard to argue with that one.....Cheers mate!