Suarez to Uruguay (kinda)

[Red Card]

Originally posted by Sandon Mibut

He's also not a US citizen.

Martinez has a Green Card and he's lived in the US for about 10 years, so he should be close to citizenship, if he wants it, but right now, the only country he's eligible to play for is Mexico.
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But, until he becomes a citizen the deabte is moot unless you want to debate whether he's good enough for El Tri.

Unless I have the wrong Martinez, or unless MLSnet.com is wrong, he is a citizen because he was born in the US.

http://www.mlsnet.com/bios/antonio_martinez.html

[ElJefe]

Originally posted by Red Card
Unless I have the wrong Martinez, or unless MLSnet.com is wrong, he is a citizen because he was born in the US.

http://www.mlsnet.com/bios/antonio_martinez.html
I believe that Chivas Martinez has dual citizenship because he was born in the USA to Mexican parents.

And he's gone on record as saying that he'd like to play for El Tri one day. But unless he improves his defensive play, I don't think that he'll be playing for any national team.

[Sandon Mibut]

According to the Burn website:

*Martinez was born in Yahualica, Mexico.

*He played 4 years of HS ball in Carson, CA and graduated in 1996 before playing 4 years of college soccer and joining the league right out of CS Fullerton in 2000. Thus, we can deduce that he has lived in this country since at least 1992.

*He is still a Mexican citizen and only a Mexican citiezen.

*He has a Green Card and does not count as an international. Considering he's lived in the US at least 10 years, he's got to be pretty close to being eligible for American citizenship, if he wants it.

*In 53 career regular season MLS games, with 28 starts, he has scored 4 goals and 21 assists. BUT, after being a spot-starter as a rookie, and a part-time starter last year, he has become the Burn's first choice left mid this year - implying steady improvement, which I always like in young players - and has a career best 13 points this year with a fourth of the season left to play.

*His 9 assists this season is currently 5th in the league.

*He has also scored 2 goals in Open Cup play.

*His nickname is Chivas, in honor of his favorite club growing up. Can the US National Team really have a midfielder who'se nickname is the most popular club in Mexico?

*He thinks Suarez should play for the US because he has a better chance of being in a World Cup and starting. (OK, I made that part up, but I just wanted to get us back on topic. Plus, it happens to be an accuate statement, even if Chivas didn't say it.

[Bruce S]

there is a story about Suarez in the new socceramerica. He talks about how nervous he was at the all-star game cause the Bruce was watching. Sure sounded like he wanted to play for the USA badly.

[GoDC]

Kreis- He was in quite a few camps and unless you guys were in the camp to evaluate him against the other strikers, then you don't really have much to abse your opinion on. I was not in camp so I can guess that Bruce picked the forwards that played the best.

Suarez - Would like to see him get a chance with the Nats this year.

Chivas - good skills and if he wants to become a citizen then he might get a shot.

[nancyb]

Originally posted by Ghost
Is this a bargaining chip? Sort of like Michael Ricketts talking about playing for the US.

At least Suarez qualifies to play for the US, unlike Mr. Ricketts.

[JohnW]

Originally posted by nancyb


At least Suarez qualifies to play for the US, unlike Mr. Ricketts.

Permission to start a "Cap Micheal Ricketts" thread?

Please?

[Treetaliano]

Where did this Ricketts thing ever get started anyways?

[dj43]

Right now Suarez is just trying to get healthy for the playoffs. Once again he is injured.

Arena was very interested in getting him into the MNT camps over the past 15 months but he had a quad injury during the summer of '01 that cost him time with Dallas and the National Team. Then about the time that had healed (late October) a dumbell fell off a rack in the gym where he was working out. It dropped on this toe and he took some stitches for that. Finally a hernia surgery kept him from making the early friendly with Korea. And that was the end of the chance to WC though it wasn't for lack of interest on Bruce Arena's part.

All of this talk about Uruguay and Guatemala is a generous amount of posturing to keep his name in the news to get the best deal possible. Ryan will play with the US team as soon as he is healthy. Mark my words...

[Elninho]

Suarez is unlikely to be using the USA as a bargaining chip to get Uruguay to cap him... but what if Uruguay is a bargaining chip to get Bruce to cap him? Either way, it's not a Michael Ricketts situation - at least he's actually eligible to play for both countries!

[dj43]

The perceived "threat" of going to Uruguay is all part of the bargaining process.

Suarez would have been capped in the friendly with Korea last January if he had been healthy. He was scheduled to go with the team but for the hernia.

Uruguay is just his way of reminding Arena of that promise to join the Nats.

[kyledane]

Originally posted by ElJefe
But unless he improves his defensive play, I don't think that he'll be playing for any national team.
I used to say the same thing about Marcus DaBeasley. I don't think his lack of defense will keep him off either national team, but it might keep him from sticking.

[efernandez9]

Originally posted by BuffloSoldier
http://www.mlsnet.com/special/as02/as0802notes.pdf

On deciding to choose between the US and Uruguay, if the situation arises:


One could say Bruce is on the clock, but I don't believe Uruguay has any opportunties to actually cap Suarez until the Copa America in summer '04.
Edited to say, moved from the Burn board to N&A, where it makes more sense.


yes, they can!

they have 2 friendlies in november to cap and try young players before they get snatched by european clubs (normal thing in Uruguay at age 20 or 21) one game vs. Venezuela and the other one could be vs. Mexico, both with the blessing of FIFA


the question is when will the USA nats play next?

[The Wanderer]

Originally posted by efernandez9



yes, they can!

they have 2 friendlies in november to cap and try young players before they get snatched by european clubs (normal thing in Uruguay at age 20 or 21) one game vs. Venezuela and the other one could be vs. Mexico, both with the blessing of FIFA


the question is when will the USA nats play next?

Friendlies don't cap tie a player if I recall correctly. Only FIFA tournaments cap tie a player.

[Garcia]

Originally posted by Treetaliano


This is incorrect. And I have been seeing this alot on BS boards, lately in cases such as Suarez, Dema, Ziadie and others. It's just wrong.

I did some looking into it before making this post, so if it is wrong then FIFA is to blame.

First the link:

http://a1801.g.akamai.net/f/1801/2004/3d/www.fifa.com/fifa/statutes/statutesdocs/StatutenE.pdf

In the Regulations Governing the Applications the Statutes Section 8 Article 12 it states clearly that once a player has played in an official competetion AT ANY LEVEL, the player cannot appear for another nation.

In the same document an official competetion is defined as any U-17, Youth or senior competition either at the international or the confederation level as well as ANY FIFA "A" match (aka friendly).

By many of the posts I've read, the following could happen:

Mike Petke, who has one cap in a friendly, could marry a New Zealand woman, thus becoming a legal resident of NZ, could appear for NZ in WC '06 Qualifiers for the Kiwis. It's not possible.

If Saurez plays in the next US friendly, Urugauy is out of luck, and vice versa. I agree.

The same link provides this gem: "A" Match definition (Page 34, Regulations Governing The Application of the Statutes, Section II Definition, announcement and registration of matches, Article 6)

"Every international "A" match including friendly matches and those played in tournaments or in games comprising football shall be made known to..."

then it goes on to tell how the "A" match reports is filed, which includes the players used in said match.

They do go out of their way to define both international matches and international "A" matches. The first being any match between two FIFA member nations. The "A" match only is different by saying, "both associations field their first national representative team."

Then is goes on to say that a nation could use a club team from that nation as their national team and thay would count as an official side and the match an offcial "international match", but does not add the "A".

So, untill I can get past the lawyer talk, I can't make up my mind how this works.

For the record, I was set on any actual game action tied the player. You could be on the roster, in camp, whatever, but even one second on the pitch counts to tie the player. Now, who can get past this interpretation?

[Garcia]

http://www.soccertimes.com/wagman/2001/apr30.htm

Hmmm, we are not the only ones mixed up.

[Garcia]

Doing more work, I found this Alfredo Di Stefano who played for Argentina, Colombia and Spain!

[Viking64]

Originally posted by GoDC
Kreis- He was in quite a few camps and unless you guys were in the camp to evaluate him against the other strikers, then you don't really have much to abse your opinion on. I was not in camp so I can guess that Bruce picked the forwards that played the best.

Suarez - Would like to see him get a chance with the Nats this year.

Chivas - good skills and if he wants to become a citizen then he might get a shot.

Club before country. B_U_R_N_ before U_S_A_.

Whatever the personal aspirations of the players are, I hope they get them. But in 7 years of MLS and 11 years of living here (during which time not a single Men's national team game of any kind has been played in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, or El Paso), I have a lot more vested in the Burn than the USSF and the Men's National Team.