Suarez to Uruguay (kinda)

[Rocket]

Originally posted by Bruce S
I would guess he is not dying to move back to Uruguay.
Why would Ryan need to move back to Uruguay?

[Autogolazo]

I thought I read that CONMEBOL qualifiers would start earlier than ever--in fall 2003.

Suarez and Ziadie are in the same boat--young, talented MLS defenders who can choose between two countries (Jamaica in Ziadie's case).

[Treetaliano]

Originally posted by Preston North End


1. With the US at the 2003 Confed Cup?
2. With the US at the 2003 Gold Cup?

or

3. With Uruguay at the 2004 Copa America (although, I read somewhere the CONMEBOL 2006 WCQ might start in early 2004).

This is incorrect. And I have been seeing this alot on BS boards, lately in cases such as Suarez, Dema, Ziadie and others. It's just wrong.

I did some looking into it before making this post, so if it is wrong then FIFA is to blame.

First the link:

http://a1801.g.akamai.net/f/1801/2004/3d/www.fifa.com/fifa/statutes/statutesdocs/StatutenE.pdf

In the Regulations Governing the Applications the Statutes Section 8 Article 12 it states clearly that once a player has played in an official competetion AT ANY LEVEL, the player cannot appear for another nation.

In the same document an official competetion is defined as any U-17, Youth or senior competition either at the international or the confederation level as well as ANY FIFA "A" match (aka friendly).

By many of the posts I've read, the following could happen:

Mike Petke, who has one cap in a friendly, could marry a New Zealand woman, thus becoming a legal resident of NZ, could appear for NZ in WC '06 Qualifiers for the Kiwis. It's not possible.

If Saurez plays in the next US friendly, Urugauy is out of luck, and vice versa.

[BuffloSoldier]

Tree, that's incorrect. Players can suit up for Nation A in a friendly, then play for Nation B in a tournament.

Newest US example of this is Jeff Cunningham, who played for Jamaica in two friendlies--one against the US even--then played for the US, who officially capped him in the 2002 Gold Cup.

Yes, Mike Petke right now is non cap-tied to the USA.

Friendlies are not official FIFA competitions.

[odg78]

Originally posted by BuffloSoldier


Yes, Mike Petke right now is non cap-tied to the USA.



OH MY GOD!!! We have to cap him now!

[eneste]

Originally posted by Treetaliano
If Saurez plays in the next US friendly, Urugauy is out of luck, and vice versa.

That's not true. Friendlies don't count. David Johnson formerly of Ipswich Town is a good example, he played in friendlies for Jamaica but was still eligible to play for 100 other countries or so.

[Eric B]

Martin Vasquez also played friendlies for Mexico, but then played for the USMNT in the 98 WCQ's.

[Viking64]

It's up to Bruce to decide. Suppose the USSF decides that they want a game in November. Bruce will call Suarez in for a look, they will talk, and likely Suarez will still go to Uruguay. If Bruce has a contract, and commits to capping him, he'll still go but likely tell them when he's there how he feels about Bruce's commitment.

However, if the Nats have a camp, Bruce is non-committal about capping him, and he doesn't get a good shot, then why NOT play for Uruguay, who have won a World Cup? The guy has ONE career, and if playing in a series of games against the best teams in the world (Brazil, Colombia, Argentina, Paraguay) is your only choice, you take it.

I've seen Richie Williams, Chris Albright, Jovan Kirovski, and Joe-Max Moore mysteriously earn games they plainly did not deserve. All Ryan has said [and this is how I interpret it] is that "the team that gives me a fair chance, is the team I'll become tied to. I'd rather it was the U.S., but if it's not, it's not."

I don't blame the guy one bit for protecting himself. All he has to do is look down the Burn bench to know that protecting his own career is his priority.

[The Wanderer]

Originally posted by Treetaliano
If Saurez plays in the next US friendly, Urugauy is out of luck, and vice versa.

Friendlies don't count. Only tournaments do.

[ElJefe]

Originally posted by Viking64
I don't blame the guy one bit for protecting himself. All he has to do is look down the Burn bench to know that protecting his own career is his priority.
Exactly.

Uruguay may struggle to qualify for the World Cup, but they're not exactly soccer's answer to Siberia either. Many, if not most, of the Uruguayan national team are playing in Europe. Playing so many matches against the likes of Brazil and Argentina isn't the worst way to showcase yourself to European scouts.

And when Jason Kreis is saying publicly, on the radio, that he doesn't think that Bruce Arena gave him a fair shake, you can only imagine what he's saying to his teammates in private. So if Bruce Arena is serious about giving Suarez a look, he'd better not fool around too long. If he does, he might start seeing things Kreis' way and take the opportunity in Uruguay.

[BallStateMiddie]

The thing I love about Suarez is the fire (not "Fire" ;) )he plays with. I was wondering, too, if playing with Kreis would affect his decision. Seems like it might, although from our perspective it seems like the U.S. is the right choice. Who knows, though, maybe he'd rather be a bigger fish in a smaller pond. You'd have to think he'd have a better chance of regular time on the Uruthugs.

[Bruce S]

Originally posted by ElJefe

Exactly.

Uruguay may struggle to qualify for the World Cup, but they're not exactly soccer's answer to Siberia either. Many, if not most, of the Uruguayan national team are playing in Europe. Playing so many matches against the likes of Brazil and Argentina isn't the worst way to showcase yourself to European scouts.

And when Jason Kreis is saying publicly, on the radio, that he doesn't think that Bruce Arena gave him a fair shake, you can only imagine what he's saying to his teammates in private. So if Bruce Arena is serious about giving Suarez a look, he'd better not fool around too long. If he does, he might start seeing things Kreis' way and take the opportunity in Uruguay.
That is just silly. Soccer players are not morons. Kreis wasn't chosen.. so what? Do you think Suarez is a Total fool? If Kreis is a litle bitter( and it isn't clear that he is), I am sure that Suarez can undertsnad why- the US has many good strikers now.

[Red Card]

Suarez should realize that living & working in the US and playing for Uruguay is a big disadvantage when it comes time for selection and playing time. He should check the situation in 94 with the Jamaican team concerning Brits who wanted to play for Jamaica.

And although BA has played favorites in the past, he probably will be more impartial this time around.

Suarez height is also very important to BA because the US is a "short" team and especially needs height for walls and for heading defense.

Here's hoping Suarez suits up for the US in the next WC!

[BerwynBlazers]

OMG GET FREDDY ADU CAPPED RIGHT NOW!

[Crew14]

Am I the only one who really doesn't care if Suarez goes to Uruguay?

C14

[ElJefe]

Originally posted by Bruce S
That is just silly. Soccer players are not morons. Kreis wasn't chosen.. so what? Do you think Suarez is a Total fool? If Kreis is a litle bitter( and it isn't clear that he is), I am sure that Suarez can undertsnad why- the US has many good strikers now.
Translation:

He's smart, but he's not going to listen to the "behind the scenes" dirt from a teammate but instead go with the most shallow analysis that any idiot on BigSoccer could come up with.

[passtheblizz]

Here's the deal. For 2006 I see Bocanegra, Sanneh, Mastroeini and Suarez playing as our back four, with Pablo essentially a D-mid. All of these guys are fast and aggressive, and Sanneh has shown that he deserves to be our main defensive force. Pope is already pretty much done, I think, and doesn't really want to play in 2006. Just my opinion based on his comments prior to K/J. Suarez should IMMEDIATELY be put into action in friendlies, and he should be capped as soon as possible. You can just tell that he is a gamer, and plays like he has something to prove. If Bruce has shown anything, it is that he at least will give SOME guys a chance. Let's hope that Ryan is one of those guys. I am sure the he could step in with the USMNT no problem.

[Shaster]

Originally posted by passtheblizz
Here's the deal. For 2006 I see Bocanegra, Sanneh, Mastroeini and Suarez playing as our back four, with Pablo essentially a D-mid. All of these guys are fast and aggressive, and Sanneh has shown that he deserves to be our main defensive force. Pope is already pretty much done, I think, and doesn't really want to play in 2006. Just my opinion based on his comments prior to K/J. Suarez should IMMEDIATELY be put into action in friendlies, and he should be capped as soon as possible. You can just tell that he is a gamer, and plays like he has something to prove. If Bruce has shown anything, it is that he at least will give SOME guys a chance. Let's hope that Ryan is one of those guys. I am sure the he could step in with the USMNT no problem.

I don't think so.

In center defense, you may find Kelly Gray, Suarez, Gibbs, Bocanegra all fight for the two spots. Onyewu would own the right back one.

[The Wanderer]

Suarez can play any position on the back line and has done so in a pinch. You bet your @ss that Bruce noticed that and he'll be capped at the first opportunity(not including that tribute game vs. MLS all stars).

Gibbs, Bocanegra, Suarez, Onyewu, and I tell you what, if Broome keeps his level, he's going to get a call up. He's probably significantly more skilled than Hejduk and at least equal in speed.

[SamPierron]

And Nick Garcia's better than Broome or Bocanegra. Quite a choice we'll have on our hands.