Should Italy get kicked out off champions league???

[Mad2Ad]

Hi there after the recent events in Italy i just thought it was worth a post on how the clubs the italian fa should be punished.

personally i belive the only way to do this is to either ban italy from playing in champions league or even european championships in 2008.

i dont think fifa or uefa will do any thing just because there incompetent and biased towards certain countries ie spain and italy.

like a few years ago about 5 english fans get arrested and fifa threatened to ban england form the european championships. then spains fans made all those racist boos to english players and nothing happended except a 4000 pound fine which wont do anything. also there manager made racist comments about thierry henry and nothing happened. this is another problem in football.

i know here in england we use to suffer from these problems and its weird to see this happening. the rest of europe needs to take the approach that england/ britian did.

[junjunforever]

I couldnt care less. They have been accusing my team for corruption and paying off the refs for 5 years now. And their own league was PROVEN to be bunch of cheaters, and their fans have now proven to be bunch of idiots. But they probably will have the guts to look down on other teams. No sympathies from me.

[ForeverRed]

Yes, bann them from European competition. It might actually spur them to do something about their problems.

[jpick]

the england problem is different as there had been a history of violence from english fans with the national team and they would go to visiting countries and wreak havoc, whereas italian fans have never done this with the national team. that is why your comparison is apples and oranges. this is a serie a problem and needs to be handled strongly, but I say leave the national team alone and if you want to impose sanctions then impose it on clubs (catania was likely to qualify for uefa cup play next year, for instance so take that away obviously, and possibly think about keeping any italian clubs from competing in any international competitions, even though that pains me to say as a milan fan), but I still think the clubs should be given a chance to show they can adopt more stringent rules before a mass banning is given out, especially the clubs that weren't involved in this. but the original england versus italy comparison was dumb because that was the national team with england's hooligans when they threatened to disallow england from competing in international competitions (threatened, mind you, not actually banned), which in italy means less to fans than club play anyway

this needs to be taken seriously but as someone who loves serie a this is a painful time, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I think banning all clubs and the financial instability and essentially the ruining of serie a soccer from posters who have shown a clear anti-serie a bias at every turn should be discounted.
cheers

[Reazzurro90]

the england problem is different as there had been a history of violence from english fans with the national team and they would go to visiting countries and wreak havoc, whereas italian fans have never done this with the national team. that is why your comparison is apples and oranges. this is a serie a problem and needs to be handled strongly, but I say leave the national team alone and if you want to impose sanctions then impose it on clubs (catania was likely to qualify for uefa cup play next year, for instance so take that away obviously, and possibly think about keeping any italian clubs from competing in any international competitions, even though that pains me to say as a milan fan), but I still think the clubs should be given a chance to show they can adopt more stringent rules before a mass banning is given out, especially the clubs that weren't involved in this. but the original england versus italy comparison was dumb because that was the national team with england's hooligans when they threatened to disallow england from competing in international competitions (threatened, mind you, not actually banned), which in italy means less to fans than club play anyway

this needs to be taken seriously but as someone who loves serie a this is a painful time, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I think banning all clubs and the financial instability and essentially the ruining of serie a soccer from posters who have shown a clear anti-serie a bias at every turn should be discounted.
cheers

The difference between the Nazionale and the club teams is that there are deep-seated tensions between the clubs during a derby.

In what happened yesterday, it was a manifestation of the long rivalry between the city of Catania and Palermo. It was not simply about soccer, as these cities have been competitors in everything for the longest time. There is a general hatred that exists that pours out during the matches.

Whereas, with the Nazionale, everyone is united to support the country. But hopefully this strategy will encourage a radical reform of the current system in Italy. Banning Italian clubs and the Nazionale, in my opinion, would be an error and could worsen the situation. What needs to happen is that the government needs to take radical - and quick, as fast as possible - steps in eradicating these hooligans.

Banning club/national play will only punish the honest fans, and once play resumes, the ultras will return. There needs to be severe punishments implemented so that people will think twice, as well as greater inspection of fans as they enter the stadiums.

[lanman]

Banning club/national play will only punish the honest fans, and once play resumes, the ultras will return.

Exactly the same was said about English clubs problems about the Heysel ban.

[Clan]

the england problem is different as there had been a history of violence from english fans with the national team and they would go to visiting countries and wreak havoc, whereas italian fans have never done this with the national team. that is why your comparison is apples and oranges. this is a serie a problem and needs to be handled strongly, but I say leave the national team alone and if you want to impose sanctions then impose it on clubs (catania was likely to qualify for uefa cup play next year, for instance so take that away obviously, and possibly think about keeping any italian clubs from competing in any international competitions, even though that pains me to say as a milan fan), but I still think the clubs should be given a chance to show they can adopt more stringent rules before a mass banning is given out, especially the clubs that weren't involved in this. but the original england versus italy comparison was dumb because that was the national team with england's hooligans when they threatened to disallow england from competing in international competitions (threatened, mind you, not actually banned), which in italy means less to fans than club play anyway

this needs to be taken seriously but as someone who loves serie a this is a painful time, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I think banning all clubs and the financial instability and essentially the ruining of serie a soccer from posters who have shown a clear anti-serie a bias at every turn should be discounted.
cheers

Are you saying then, that none of the people involved in this would be at a national team game?

Or, are you saying that if they were, they would be behaved?

Why should other fans be put to this test?

[leg_breaker]

the england problem is different as there had been a history of violence from english fans with the national team

Italy also has a problem with fans of the national team. Not as bad as club level, but there none-the-less.

but I still think the clubs should be given a chance to show they can adopt more stringent rules before a mass banning is given out

This has been going on in Italy for years and years, and NOTHING has been done about it. They've had their chances, and shown they're not willing to do anything. This incident is just the tip of the iceberg of a deep-seated hooliganism problem in Italy.

This may not be popular with the Italian posters on this board, but the best solution would be for Uefa to say to Italy: "OK, your clubs are excluded from European competition for five years. If at the end of these five years, you have fixed your problems, you can come back in."

This incident may very well be Italy's Heysel or Hillsborough.

but I think banning all clubs and the financial instability and essentially the ruining of serie a soccer

It wouldn't ruin them. The European ban strengthened English football as it forced us to put our house in order. You're thinking too short term, when you should be thinking about solving long term problems.

Italy has a great footballing tradition and many great clubs, but it's ruined by hooliganism and poor organisation. No wonder crowds are so low, would you take your kids to a game like that? It's time to sort it out.

[Ian Daglers]

This has been going on in Italy for years and years, and NOTHING has been done about it. They've had their chances, and shown they're not willing to do anything.

Didn't they just suspend the domestic leagues indefinitely? That's not exactly nothing.

[Tottino]

what the hell do innocent teams have to do with this? this thread is so stupid. It was a stupid group of Catania supporters, that did it. why the hell would uefa punish roma, milan , and inter?

[benficafan3]

what the hell do innocent teams have to do with this? this thread is so stupid. It was a stupid group of Catania supporters, that did it. why the hell would uefa punish roma, milan , and inter?

Oh, I don't know, maybe because those said teams have been involved in problems in the past.:rolleyes: Remember Roma vs. Lazio a few years back when the crowd rushed the field and told Totti some child was hit by a car, or something of th sort? Remember Inter vs. AC? These occurences in Italian football are neverending and a drastic measure needs to be taken to stop it.

[lanman]

what the hell do innocent teams have to do with this? this thread is so stupid. It was a stupid group of Catania supporters, that did it. why the hell would uefa punish roma, milan , and inter?

How many English clubs were involved at Heysel? That didn't stop UEFA banning all English clubs from Europe.

[bosterosoy]

English clubs got suspended because the hololigans there was so bad. Im not saying that its not violent in Italy, but it was way more violent in England back at that time period.

In Heysel, 39 people were killed. Meanwhile, only 1 person died in this clash (obiously its still a bad thing, but you cant compare it to Heysel) and it wasn't so much because of the football. This happened because Catania and Palermo hate each other period. The two cities are rivals in everything, and football is just another thing that they hate each other in.

[lanman]

English clubs got suspended because the hololigans there was so bad. Im not saying that its not violent in Italy, but it was way more violent in England back at that time period.

In Heysel, 39 people were killed. Meanwhile, only 1 person died in this clash (obiously its still a bad thing, but you cant compare it to Heysel) and it wasn't so much because of the football. This happened because Catania and Palermo hate each other period. The two cities are rivals in everything, and football is just another thing that they hate each other in.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was only one English club at Heysel in 1985 yet all of England were banned from Europe. Italy has a problem - referees hit by coins, games abandoned due to players being hit by flares, visiting fans attacked and now the death of a policeman. All recent events involving Italian fans.
The fact that there has only been one death is not the issue, it is just the latest event in a series of problems with Italian fans.

[ForeverRed]

English clubs got suspended because the hololigans there was so bad. Im not saying that its not violent in Italy, but it was way more violent in England back at that time period.

In Heysel, 39 people were killed. Meanwhile, only 1 person died in this clash (obiously its still a bad thing, but you cant compare it to Heysel) and it wasn't so much because of the football. This happened because Catania and Palermo hate each other period. The two cities are rivals in everything, and football is just another thing that they hate each other in.

Ok, so forget the comparison.

Arguement still stands. 1 death, 39 deaths....really makes no difference. Something needs to be done. Nothing worked so far so it has to be dealt with in extremes. BAN THEM!

[Gregoriak]

How many English clubs were involved at Heysel? That didn't stop UEFA banning all English clubs from Europe.

It was Bert Milichip, then president of the F.A., that decreed that no English club would participate in the European Cup the next season (he said so a day after the disaster). Hence the idea of banning all English clubs was originated in England.

[lanman]

It was Bert Milichip, then president of the F.A., that decreed that no English club would participate in the European Cup the next season (he said so a day after the disaster). Hence the idea of banning all English clubs was originated in England.


But UEFA were still happy to enforce a five year blanket ban on English teams in all three competitions.

[Gregoriak]

Two things are always complained about in England regarding the actions UEFA took after Heysel:

1) That all clubs were banned, not just Liverpool
2) That the length of the ban was too long

While point 2) was UEFA's doing, point 1) originated in England - which I find worth mentioning because you don't hear it very often these days.

[pippomo]

I like this idea. Banned from the cups.. yes. I like it.
All the armchairs fans are going to cry. I like it.

[bosterosoy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was only one English club at Heysel in 1985 yet all of England were banned from Europe

this arguement is so stupid and absurd.
All english clubs were banned becuase this was hte last straw. Everytime english fans traveled during that time period there was a huge mess and riots and violence