Pardew v Curbishley

[ballard45]

Now the transfer window has closed, it's interesting to compare each manager's purchases/loans this year.

Pardew bought: Curbishley bought:
Mears Boa
Spector Quashie
Paintsil Upson
McCartney Neill
Bowyer Blanco
Green Davenport
Cole
Tevez
Masherano

Whilst the last 2 for Pardew are arguably not his responsibility, this is 15 players in the space of 8 months!!! Is this some sort of record??

On face value, the quality between the 2 sets of players is not close but then Curbs has had the money. If we can believe the press, AP spent about 8million and Curbs has spent about 18 million.

The thing it does highlight is the question of quality of the players AP did buy. None of them really stand out except for Green and Curbs won't play him!!

Add to that we have now moved both Mears and Masherano on to new pastures, I wonder how many of AP's buys will still be there next season?

[amancalledmikey]

We needed to spend 10-15m in the summer to kick on. Pardew got 6m and ended up buying the 3rd or 4th choice in each position because it was all he could afford. Pardew got screwed by the previous board.

However, Curbishley got 20m and spunked it on overrated, overpriced players and left whopping great holes in the squad.

[shootemlow]

We needed to spend 10-15m in the summer to kick on. Pardew got 6m and ended up buying the 3rd or 4th choice in each position because it was all he could afford. Pardew got screwed by the previous board.

However, Curbishley got 20m and spunked it on overrated, overpriced players and left whopping great holes in the squad.


All too true. It's pretty obvious now that it was the players and not Pards talent in doubt as Curbs hasn't had much effect then in hind sight not only was I sorry to see him leave but now I wish Pards could have stayed and been around to get us promoted next season.

[ATL_Iron]

All too true. It's pretty obvious now that it was the players and not Pards talent in doubt as Curbs hasn't had much effect then in hind sight not only was I sorry to see him leave but now I wish Pards could have stayed and been around to get us promoted next season.

Are you insane? It was Browns piss poor running of the club and Pards lame management that have left this club in the shit state its in.

Which might i add is the reason Eggy and Curbs have had to go out and spend 18m on expensive players.

[hammer_scout51]

To compare Pardew with Curbishley is crazy. Pardew had the potential to take West Ham and himself to the very top. We do know he didn't have great backing though. Pardew himself lost the dressing room. Its fact half way through the season the players were not as fit as they should be. It will all come out soon i'm sure.
Pardew like the players seemed to believe all the hype. Hence the cars for successful stars, before the real success. Brown missmanaged the club for the best part of 15 years.

Because of what went before, Eggy and Curbishley had to spend big to give us a chance to avoid the drop. We know they paid over the odds, its January we are in trouble. The fault for this was with the previous administration, not the new one.
Surely the point of Ballards thread was to highlight the players bought in. He is not knocking Pardew or Curbishley.

Knocking everything Curbishley does seems a favourite passtime at the moment.
If the players he bought help us stay in the EPL it will be money well spent.

[ballard45]

Surely the point of Ballards thread was to highlight the players bought in. He is not knocking Pardew or Curbishley.

Knocking everything Curbishley does seems a favourite passtime at the moment.
If the players he bought help us stay in the EPL it will be money well spent.

Spot on Mike. The difference in the quality of players bought relates to the amount of funding available and the backing of the administration. It was interesting to note that Lucas Neill was highly impressed with Eggy.....don't ever recall anyone we bought previously saying they were highly impressed with Brown.:)

[hammer_scout51]

Spot on Mike. The difference in the quality of players bought relates to the amount of funding available and the backing of the administration. It was interesting to note that Lucas Neill was highly impressed with Eggy.....don't ever recall anyone we bought previously saying they were highly impressed with Brown.:)


Cheers Trevor i thought that was your intention. Lucas Neills dad reckons, if we stay up Lucas told him Eggy will spend big to push for top 10 next year. Its a five year plan and Lucas said Eggy inspired him with his plans.

It seems the in thing in some quarters is to knock Curbs at the moment. He inherited a shambles unfortunately, he is also doing his best to motivate the team.

[TheresaWHUFC]

If the players he bought help us stay in the EPL it will be money well spent.


Couldn't agree more, you've got it absolutely spot on - as always I must add.

Scout, you talk so much sense, even after being subjected to Claret's homebrew :D

[shootemlow]

Are you insane? It was Browns piss poor running of the club and Pards lame management that have left this club in the shit state its in.

Which might i add is the reason Eggy and Curbs have had to go out and spend 18m on expensive players.


Yeah but I wasn't talking about that. I'm talking about the lack of player motivation, lack of confidence. If we get relegated I was thinking who would be a better manager to bring us up and my feelings are Pards would do a better job. Pards did a great job and the fact the players weren't performing plus the injuries added to his managerial ordeal. Sure a manager is there to motivate players but this bunch apart from a couple look like they have lost all confidence and it's hard (when that happens) for anyone to raise the spirits you would need a physcologist for that. We need players like SWP and Glen Johnson I'm not sure the current purchases will help. Ask Spurs fans what they thought of Davernport and you don't get many warm and fuzzy answers.
As always time will tell.

[blainehammer]

I hate all this knocking of the team which is now charged with keeping us in the Prem even before they have kicked a ball together.
Fact: we are in a relegation position.
Fact: some prima donnas such as SWP prefer the bench at Chelsea rather than have the stomach for a relegation fight.

As far as I am concerned they can go to hell and all the naesayers. This is our team, for now, and we need to support it.
True West Ham fans are the best and do not desert in poor times. I could not care less what Tottenham fans think of Davenport after they sold him. He had a regular place in their team while they had some injuries and I do not think they suffered too much and I like what I have seen from him so far.
In my opinion Eggy and Curbs have done a great job in shoring up our defence, yes, I would have liked a RW however I am also sure that they tried to fill that position.

Up the Hammers (forever)

[west_ham]

...I would have liked a RW...Mate what's a Roy Walker gonna do for our defence?:cool: Say what ya see.

I agree with the rest of it though. There comes a time when we have to remove the massive emphasis we all place on signing new players and just get on with the games, making best use of the players we have. That time is now.

If we can't get goals from the likes of Tevez, Yossi, even Sherringham, Harewood and Kepa or get clean sheets with Neill, Davenport, Upson, Ferdinand and Gabbidon in defence then there is something deeply wrong elsewhere.

The players have to demand more from themselves and each other. It's time to stand up and be counted as our relegation fight will not go down to the last two games i.e. Home to Bolton and away to ManU. It has to be sorted before then.

[shootemlow]

"In my opinion Eggy and Curbs have done a great job in shoring up our defence, yes, I would have liked a RW however I am also sure that they tried to fill that position."


The results show a different story, Newcastle, Fulham and Liverpool all broke down our defence quite easily.
Anyway it's not that knocking W Ham is out of style most have been doing it for the past 5 seasons out of 6. One plan of action might be to stop everyone coming back to our own penalty area and keep the forwards forward instead of getting in everyones way. These 11 men defensive tatics that quite a few teams employ just creates a headache for the goalie.
The most interesting thing about this season with the manager moves is to see which one W Ham or Charlton avoid relegation.:D

[blainehammer]

The results show a different story, Newcastle, Fulham and Liverpool all broke down our defence quite easily.




The last time I looked Upson did not play in those games and Neill for only 45 mins.

[hammermolder]

It's as simple as this.if we stay up,eggy and curbs done great,if we go down,what a pair of w##kers, and the new signings were crap.

[hammer_scout51]

The results show a different story, Newcastle, Fulham and Liverpool all broke down our defence quite easily.



To me your arguement doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

The defence in those 3 games.
Dailly, Collins,(Spector10m) Gabbidon, Mcartney. Newcastle. 2-2
Dailly, Davenport, Ferdinand, Mcartney. Fulham. 3-3
Spector, Dailly, Davenport, Mcartney. Liverpool. 1-2

Its my belief that fit our defence would consist of any 4 of the following 5 players.

Neill, Upson, Davenport, Gabbidon and Ferdinand. (If Ferdinand goes to jail Collins will step in).

Neill played 45 minutes against Watford but was injured after about 20 minutes.


Curbishley bought in 3 of those defenders who have yet to play together. This makes Blaines point 100% valid IMHO.


Both the Newcastle and Fulham results were heavily influenced by very sub standard refereeing.

[Ami05]

Curbs isn't doing that great, but he needs to get it together, after all he is only picking up where Pards left off. He has not had a full season to manage. I would like to see consecutive wins before I give him much praise. Difficult to compare , but everyone make some good points.

[shootemlow]

Guess we can all agree as they haven't played together we don't know what the defence will be like. Watched the Newcastle and Fulham games and was surprised how tangled our defence got, almost like panic attacks a lot different from last season, Collins and Gabbidon or Ferdinand and Gabbidon have played many games together so they should be tight. The rest who knows, not tested until tried. One bloke stands out and that's Dailly he has had some good games and moves the ball around he's a different player from 2 or 3 seasons ago. JMHO.
On to the next match, lets hope we stay up at the expense of Wigan.:)