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Republic of Mancunia
29 Jan 2007, 12:02 AM
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Bollocks to badges.

Date: 31st January 2007
Time: 8pm GMT
Venue: Old Trafford


We swing back into league action with this one after taking a break for the FA Cup with top taking on bottom.

I guess most people will have this down for an easy home win and the perfect oppurtunity to get back to winning ways in the league. Whilst I won't deny that I expect us to pick up the three points here, it might be a good idea to remember the home game against Sunderland towards the end of last season just in case any complaceny is in the air. Ideally we win this one and win it handsomely as addition to our goal-difference is always nice and you never know, it could be important in the end.

Watford, to be fair, don't have a bad defensive record for a bottom of the table team and I'd imagine that they'll be aiming to dig in and frustrate us. They've got good aerial power at the back and if they manage to repel us for a while I hope that we don't just look to hit it long if we begin to run out of ideas as that could play into their hands. I'd imagine that spirits will also be high in their camp after successive victories in league and cup.

It'll be interesting to see how both teams approach this one. I'd like to think that if we found ourselves in a comfortable winning position we'd really go for the jugular and try to rack up as many goals as possible. Despite our healthy goalscoring record this term we don't seem to be doing much of that, instead making substitutes at around the 60-70 minute mark if a couple of goals in front. The Everton game immediately springs to mind from this season where the last half hour was pretty boring all-in-all even though we managed to add a third in the last minute. Also, if Watford found themselves a couple of goals down at that stage I'm not so sure that they'd come out and play and may just try to keep the score respectable as to not affect morale too much. You could get a situation where both managers would be willing to shake hands after around an hour and call the game off, us happy with the win and not wanting to exert ourselves too much and them happy to keep the score down. I've already warned about complacency so it's probably dangerous to even think about that situation but it's already a fear of mine and I just hope the game just doesn't end up petering out.

If forced to make a prediction though, the above scenario is exactly how I see things working out and would put us down for a 2-0 or 3-0 win. Part of me would still like to see an early goal from us that opens up the game and we end up hitting 4,5 or even more (dreaming about 9-0 vs Ipswich) but the realist in me says that's just not going to happen here. I'd also feel a little arrogant and disrespectful to the opposition to suggest such a thing and not to mention the fact that it would be setting myself up for a fall if I did. :p Still, I can dream, but would probably grudgingly settle for a routine victory in the end.

Early team news is that Louis Saha is expected to return after missing the game against Portsmouth. He picked up a slight knock to the back of the knee in training and was left out as a precaution. It's also anticipated that Cristiano Ronaldo will return to the starting XI after being given a week off to rest up. Wayne Rooney was originally going to be rested for this one but it appears that his recent goal-scoring form may be making SAF have a re-think:

"We had this planned for the last week. With the Arsenal game out of the way we were going to rest him today and against Watford on Wednesday.But he is in such sparkling form that it makes it difficult to leave him out on Wednesday. So we'll give it some thought."

All in all, I'd really like to see us go for this one and field our strongest team possible but with the Spurs game on the horizon I do expect us to rest a few players, perhaps the veterans who have seen alot of football lately with Giggs, Scholes and Neville possibly being candidates. I wouldn't be too shocked to see Heinze get a start either. If certain players are rested I just hope we're not all cursing it at the end but when it comes down to it, it's pointless to try and stuff Watford if ends up costing us players, and potentially points in future matches. A real juggling act.

Ben Foster is ineligible to play for Watford in compliance with the rules on loan players not being allowed to face the club they are loaned from and unless injured I'd imagine that Richard Lee would be the man to take his place.

COME ON UNITED!!!!!!!!!

sdotsom
29 Jan 2007, 01:08 AM
Not having Ben Foster is a pretty big blow IMO. He is one of the main reasons they have such a decent defensive record. Without him, I expect us to score about 3 goals. Some rest may be due for certain players.

I'd utilize Fletcher, Park, and Heinze in this match. Maybe even give Wes Brown a runout.

Unfortunately I'm going to be in a chemistry lab class all afternoon during this one...:(

listen_up_fergie
29 Jan 2007, 01:20 AM
I'm liking the shirts idea, RoM. Repped.

Just so that I'm clear, 4-4-2 all the way for this one :D
Watford will aim to frustrate and perhaps nick one from a setpiece or corner.

---------------VDS
Neville---Rio----Vidic-----Heinze
Ronaldo---Carrick---Fletcher---Park
-----------Saha----Larsson
SUBS: Kuszczak, Scholes, Rooney, Giggs, Brown

I'd like to see Rooney rested a bit more for this one; think Scholes is due a rest and Giggs shouldn't be playing the full 90 minutes twice in the same week. It might be just me, but I thought Evra was looking pretty exhausted round about the 70th minute; I'd like to see him rested for this one.

sdotsom
29 Jan 2007, 01:30 AM
Saha definitely needs to be involved. He's recovered from his injury, and yet Fergie chose Larsson for the Arsenal game. That can't be good for confidence. We need Saha to excel on all 3 competitions we're still in, and he needs to be in-form and confident to play well for us.

Numquam Moribimur
29 Jan 2007, 01:36 AM
Saha definitely needs to be involved. He's recovered from his injury, and yet Fergie chose Larsson for the Arsenal game. That can't be good for confidence. We need Saha to excel on all 3 competitions we're still in, and he needs to be in-form and confident to play well for us.

Saha had a knock in training on Thursday....that’s why he wasn’t on the bench.......

holytoledo
29 Jan 2007, 02:02 AM
--------------vds------------
gnev-----rio------vidic----evra
ronaldo--scholes--carrick--park
-----roooooooooooooney------
---------larsson--------------

kooz
heinze
fletch
ole
giggs


Get in United!

FIFARay007
29 Jan 2007, 07:37 AM
so i'm off to denver for the week and don't know if i'll be able to catch the game. number one, is it on tv? and if so, is it on fsc or setanta? then if it's not, is the web torrent thing easy enough to set up or do I have to install things first? yes I know there's thread for it, and I will be checking it once I get into denver, but i'm asking anyway, so there.

RoM, very good call on the shirts. a little repola will head your way once i'm on a real computer instead of my phone.

and I do agree with u on the complacency. we need to go in looking to win within the first 15 minutes, but then keep that pressure on for the entire match. Watford will surely not want a great blowout and will give us a fight. But if we play our cards right, we could (should) easily win 3 or 4-nil

johno
29 Jan 2007, 08:22 AM
Good stuff RoM...

I agree with the idea that we might/should rest one or two veterans.

This would be my XI and bench.

-------------------------Saha
-------------------Rooney
Ronaldo---------------------------------Park
------------Carrick---------Fletcher
Heinze----------------------------------Neville
-----------Vidic----------Ferdinand
-----------------Edwin

Bench
Tommy K
Evra
Brown
Giggs
Larsson

First of all, I'm resting Evra for a couple reasons. 1, he's worked his butt off recently at both ends and this game might lead to an injury if he doesn't get some time off. Heinze also needs a game to stay fit and the match against Spurs isn't a good one for him to play. He'll also be useful against Watford's most likely route of attack - the air.

Secondly, Scholes needs a bit of a break as does Giggs. They'll both be on the bench if this was a tougher opponent, but I'll leave just Giggs on the bench so that we've got Evra and Brown available defensively. If Park gets knacked we bring Giggs on for him and swap wings w/ Ronaldo or we can bring Giggs into a midfield trio along w/ Carrick and Fletcher.

I think we should win this one and it will be important to get Giggs and Scholes and Neville rest in this one. The first two will start on the bench and if things go our way I'd be quick to bring on Brown for Neville and Larsson for Rooney.

Not going to offer a prediction other than I think Ronaldo will play well and Rooney if indeed he does start may just continue where he left off against Pompey.

StrikerCW
29 Jan 2007, 08:36 AM
Of course we should smash these guys somesuch 5-0 but we will probably struggle and they will get one back in the late to finish it 2-1. Now a win is a win, but you want to see some confidence every now and again. We need to stop sitting on leads, I'd like to see the team start practicing this against the minnows so it stops happening against teams like Arsenal.

sdotsom
29 Jan 2007, 08:40 AM
I'm just begging for a clean sheet. I heard a stat during the commentary on the Portsmouth game, we've only kept 2 clean sheets in ~15 matches! That is pretty horrid for us, given the way we began the season and the clean sheets Vidic/Rio/VDS were racking up. We need to regain our defensive solidity, regardless of whether we are up 5-0 or 1-0. We can let goals slide in league and manage to bounce back, but I don't think that will work in Europe.

listen_up_fergie
29 Jan 2007, 08:47 AM
Yeah, it will be a concern for us if we keep leaking goals during the run in. Even though we've conceded most of those goals when we've been winning, that's still no excuse.

Drae
29 Jan 2007, 10:04 AM
I would also be very happy with a clean sheet. More important to us than getting a large goal difference IMHO.

Uniteder
29 Jan 2007, 11:13 AM
I would like to play Wes(for Gary) and Gabby Heinze here but Im worried the we will have no width, just shows how good Evra and Neville have been, anyways I would go for this

---VDS
GN----Rio----Vida----Gabby
Ronaldo----Fletch----Carrick----Park
---------Rooney------Saha

Koozy, O'shea, Scholes,Giggs, Smith

Time to get Smith some action IMO, if were comfortably leading I don't see any reason why not to bring him on.

Stud83
29 Jan 2007, 11:39 AM
Tottenham is looming, so I agree it's a good time to rest Giggs and Scholes, get back Ronaldo and Saha and possibly start Brown and Heinze in defense. Hopefully we'll take care of the result in the first half to allow SAF to bring on some new people after halftime to keep everyone fresh and ready.

I Will Brleak You
29 Jan 2007, 03:34 PM
Rooney needs to sit this one out, because if I read it correctly, he's sitting on 4 yellow cards right now. It would not be good to lose him for Spurs.

Republic of Mancunia
29 Jan 2007, 04:59 PM
so i'm off to denver for the week and don't know if i'll be able to catch the game. number one, is it on tv? and if so, is it on fsc or setanta? then if it's not, is the web torrent thing easy enough to set up or do I have to install things first? yes I know there's thread for it, and I will be checking it once I get into denver, but i'm asking anyway, so there.

RoM, very good call on the shirts. a little repola will head your way once i'm on a real computer instead of my phone.

Cheers, no doubt the pitch forks and torches will be out in force if we fail to win this one judging how superstitious some were becoming over the sizes of badges. :rolleyes: I may have made a slight error too as there's probably a good chance that Watford will be wearing their away kit (think it's black) due to the red element on their home shirt. Can anyone remember if we wore our away kit at their place at the start of the season?

As for TV, I had a look at schedule pages of the two tv stations you mentioned (I'm in a helpful mood) and all I can see is that setanta are showing it as delayed coverage at 7pm eastern.

Other than that it looks like streaming will be the way to go. As you already mentioned there is the thread that explains it all but you could do worse than to look up this site, http://www.myp2p.eu/ both for schedules and a bit of a "how to" guide in the overview section.

If you were still struggling I did put up a link of how to get radio streams in the last page of the streaming thread but have no idea if it works for you people stateside. The bbc block out the stream for non-uk based i.p. numbers on their streams, not sure if it's the same story with that one. :confused:

Now back to the game itself, it is a tired old cliche and I put enough of them in my original post but it could just be that the pressure will be off for Watford. It's the type of game that nobody will expect them to get anything out of and anything they did manage to achieve may be seen as a bonus. This could mean that play with a freedom that they have struggled to find so far this season.

Another cliche that may hold some truth is that if they do go down at the end of the season it just may be that this game is the only time some of their players will get to play at Old Trafford and I'm sure they'll try to make it a memorable one. Speaking of going down, let's remember that there may well be some fight in them as they are trying to stay up and the win against Blackburn in the league might have given them some hope that they're not dead and buried just yet.

Still, we should really win but it's always good to not dismiss the opposition.

Invincible
29 Jan 2007, 05:06 PM
I'm gonna do a match thread one of these days, and I'm gonna put big badges for us, and tiny ass badges for the opposition. I DARE one-a you suckas to say something to me :mad: http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/blackeye/2gunsfiring_v1.gif

Uniteder
29 Jan 2007, 05:46 PM
I'm gonna do a match thread one of these days, and I'm gonna put big badges for us, and tiny ass badges for the opposition. I DARE one-a you suckas to say something to me http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/blackeye/2gunsfiring_v1.gif

One dares to disobey the badge law..... :mad:


On the other hand ROM might have started another craze with this t-shirt thing, The Superstition thread needs a bumping on Thursday :D

benni...
29 Jan 2007, 07:29 PM
I'd go with strongest team minus Rooney, but bring him on again in the 60th.

Dark Savante
29 Jan 2007, 08:00 PM
I agree, unfortunately, I think we'll see a ton of changes...

Silvestre, Brown, Richardson, Heinze, Fletcher, O'Shea all need games as they need to stay fresh in case called upon later in the run-in. I'd hope we'd use one or two in a game like this... I fear we'll use them all