At what point would you consider us to have no money for transfers?

[Dark Savante]

Was wondering over the past few days at which point the Glazers lack of outlay will be seen as an embarassment to a club like Manchester United.

Considering our fanbase, merchandising and so forth it's only natural that some of that goes into the purchase of players where needed...right?

There is increasing talk of us having to sell Gabby to buy Bale - just the same as all of our recent transfers... is it starting to look suspicious by now?

Vote.

Discuss.

[SirManchester]

I think it's more than evident that we don't have the money we need for transfers. As opposed to the past where we could take more risks and could be a little bit free-er or less restricted with who we buy, now we HAVE to be certain who we want to pursue.

Also, I don't know if it's just me but we also seem to be linked with less players than in the past, at least not as many players in a short amount of time as we were used to.

[Vermont Red]

In my opinion, United should absolutely buy in the following two scenarios:

1. There is a glaring need in the top sixteen players.
2. There is a young phenom, a rare talent, at a club too small to help him realize his ambitions.

In my opinion, we have a glaring need at CM. We need at least at DCM, not necessarily to start every game, but to start against certain teams in the Prem and to start when we play 4-5-1 in the Champions League.

If we do not purchase a CM during this window then I think that we have no money. If we sell a valuable role player (Brown primarily) and then buy a CM then I think that we have no money. If we sell some of our prize youth players (Rossi, Evans, Martin) then I think that we have no money.

January 31 is the key. If we don't buy a CM, Fergie will talk about not overpaying and there being no good, non-Cup-tied, options out there, but the truth will be that we don't have the money.

[Karloski]

Over the last few years money has only been part of the problem when it comes to getting top players to sign. With the immergance of Chelsea and the lack of success for Man Utd on the pitch, the more highly rated players just dont seem as eager to join us. Robben, Ronaldhino and Essien are a few examples (there are probably more behind the scenes).

The other thing we had in the past was a great first team with good squad players, which allowed us to put all our eggs in one basket as it were, and concentrait the majority of a new seasons funds on one high class footballer (RVN, Veron). As has already been mentioned at the moment we need more than 1 great player we need an international DM, and good cover for other positions. Have we got the money to do that? doubtful.

If we have to continue to sell to buy in new players, then for a team wanting to keep up with the other big boys in Europe it's not good enough.

Fans will probabley be patient while we continue to win, but if things take a down turn, I'd expect a backlash if good new players arn't brought in.

[Stud83]

In Bale's case I don't think it's an issue of money - it's just retarted to keep 6 LBs on the team, so someone has to go. Granted, we'd rather see Silvestre go, but then again, with Evra, Heinze and Bale someone would not get enough playing time.
Really all we need atm is a CM. Hopefully we can get Hargreaves, as I don't think there are any better alternatives out there.
If selling Heinze would allow us to get Hargreaves, I wouldn't be against it.

[Vermont Red]

I haven't seen anyone come in here and flat out say that Bale is worth the fee being quoted, that he is a close to a can't miss at his age as you can find. Is he a rare talent or just very good?

Is he a "must have?"

[SirManchester]

I haven't seen anyone come in here and flat out say that Bale is worth the fee being quoted, that he is a close to a can't miss at his age as you can find. Is he a rare talent or just very good?

Is he a "must have?"


Well we do live in an age where even eight year olds are hyped up to be the next best thing because they happen to dribble the ball fifty times or can do a cyclone and whatnot. Admittedly I haven't see as much of Bale as I wanted but from what I have seen he does look like the real deal, sort of like Johnny Evans. He's young but every time he's on the pitch he shows glimpses of what he can be and if you dig up video highlights (some available on youtube) of Bale, you can see he's already starting to make an impact.

For those who haven't seen it. Now I don't want to glorify him just yet, he's still very much a raw product but it's worth noting what the fuss is all about.
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[biro]

So if we buy Hargreaves, Torres, Bale & Nani but sell Heinze, Silvestre, Richardson, OShea & Eagles we have no money?

[Vermont Red]

So if we buy Hargreaves, Torres, Bale & Nani but sell Heinze, Silvestre, Richardson, OShea & Eagles we have no money?

If the net outlay is zero, then yes.

[biro]

If the net outlay is zero, then yes.

Can't see us getting £50m for our lot.

[Vermont Red]

Can't see us getting £50m for our lot.

If we spend (significantly) more than we receive, then we have money.

[433tom]

In my opinion, United should absolutely buy in the following two scenarios:

1. There is a glaring need in the top sixteen players.
2. There is a young phenom, a rare talent, at a club too small to help him realize his ambitions.

In my opinion, we have a glaring need at CM. We need at least at DCM, not necessarily to start every game, but to start against certain teams in the Prem and to start when we play 4-5-1 in the Champions League.

If we do not purchase a CM during this window then I think that we have no money. If we sell a valuable role player (Brown primarily) and then buy a CM then I think that we have no money. If we sell some of our prize youth players (Rossi, Evans, Martin) then I think that we have no money.

January 31 is the key. If we don't buy a CM, Fergie will talk about not overpaying and there being no good, non-Cup-tied, options out there, but the truth will be that we don't have the money.

And who would you buy? There are a lot of names thrown around in the transfer thread... but that does not mean they are available or if Fergie rates them. Last summer Mascherano was the "sure thing" for a lot of people. Fergie did not rate him like many here did. Looks like Fergie was right. Fergie rates Hargreaves. So he just might wait until he can hopefully pick him up in the summer.

[433tom]

If the net outlay is zero, then yes.

I don't see a net layout of zero for the list he posted. In fact, we would need Chelsea money. :)

[433tom]

Well I'm waiting for the shoe to drop. Chelsea needs central defenders badly... But that should be no problem. Because one of the "anti Glazer insiders" posted back in August that Rio was being sold to Chelsea in the winter window because we had no money. He posted it was a done deal and Rio was looking for a new home in London.:)

[holytoledo]

Well I'm waiting for the shoe to drop. Chelsea needs central defenders badly... But that should be no problem. Because one of the "anti Glazer insiders" posted back in August that Rio was being sold to Chelsea in the winter window because we had no money. He posted it was a done deal and Rio was looking for a new home in London.:)

Well there still are two weeks left in the window. ;)

[433tom]

Well there still are two weeks left in the window. ;)

Well with it being a "done deal" and Terry hurt.. I would have expected the transfer would have already happened. But maybe now that the "special one" missed out on his for choice "Ben Haim", he will have to settle for Rio. :)

[Vermont Red]

And who would you buy? There are a lot of names thrown around in the transfer thread... but that does not mean they are available or if Fergie rates them. Last summer Mascherano was the "sure thing" for a lot of people. Fergie did not rate him like many here did. Looks like Fergie was right. Fergie rates Hargreaves. So he just might wait until he can hopefully pick him up in the summer.

If you want guidance to players who would fit the bill at United, you'll have to consult posters more knowledgable than myself. However, I refuse to believe that there is not an available DCM who is not cup-tied, who is young and who is better than O'Shea.

I don't see a net layout of zero for the list he posted. In fact, we would need Chelsea money. :)

I was trying to explain what I thought was an easy concept. If we made those purchases and those sales then I'd say its likely that we have money. Not holding my breath, though.

[holytoledo]

It seems a bit odd though that if we really did not have money, why a player like Jones would be sold, when he could fill a central midfield need in an emergency. Surely his wages are not high enough to warrant ridding him, and bringing a player through the academy is much cheaper then buying a new CM for anywhere between 10mil-20mil. He only fetched us 1mil so why do it?

We need access to the books. :mad:

[433tom]

If you want guidance to players who would fit the bill at United, you'll have to consult posters more knowledgable than myself. However, I refuse to believe that there is not an available DCM who is not cup-tied, who is young and who is better than O'Shea.


No doubt your right. But I think Fergie may be cautious about bringing in someone over the winter unless its a player he really wants. Remember, neither Vidic and Evra played well last spring. Why bring in someone who is only "better than O'Shea" if he might not settle in right away, and then becomes surplus to Fergies needs if he picks up Hargreaves or someone else in the summer. Having said that, I still wish we had picked up Senna last summer.

[dustcowpoke]

Can anyone give me some brief info on what Man U was like before the Glazer takeover. I only starting following soccer in 2004.

I've read every BBC article/wikipedia article on the takeover, but I don't understand why the takeover was allowed with so much fan opposition? And how could the FA allow it if it would put Man U in a serious cash problem?

If it's not really Glazers' money, just a bunch of bank loans, does that mean anybody (not just Glazer) could have pulled off a takeover like this?

Finally, was Man U in debt b4 the takeover?

Thanks in advance.