Borussia D v. Barcelona question

[danielmak]

I am wondering if someone with some historical knowledge can help me identify the date and context for a match between Dortmund and Barcelona that took place between 1982 and 1984. The only information I can find about the two teams playing each other is during the European Super Cup (see http://www.rsssf.com/ec/ecomp.html), but the match that I am trying to find out about featured Maradona playing for Barca. Maradona was gone by the time the two teams played in the Super Cup. So, I'm thinking that they must have played in a friendly or pre- or mid-season tournament. Does anyone know when this game would have taken place? Is their a Web site that I have missed somehow that lists every Dortmund game (including pre-season or mid-season friendlies or tournaments)? Thanks in advance for any help. Take care.

[footyfan1]

I am wondering if someone with some historical knowledge can help me identify the date and context for a match between Dortmund and Barcelona that took place between 1982 and 1984. The only information I can find about the two teams playing each other is during the European Super Cup (see http://www.rsssf.com/ec/ecomp.html), but the match that I am trying to find out about featured Maradona playing for Barca. Maradona was gone by the time the two teams played in the Super Cup. So, I'm thinking that they must have played in a friendly or pre- or mid-season tournament. Does anyone know when this game would have taken place? Is their a Web site that I have missed somehow that lists every Dortmund game (including pre-season or mid-season friendlies or tournaments)? Thanks in advance for any help. Take care.


Usually, I would recommend Fussballdaten.de. If a German club has met any club more than once or twice, they would usually have the information.

However, I just checked there and they don't even list FC Barcelona as one of Dortmund's opponents.

I'm starting to think maybe that Supercup match is the only time the clubs have met with something on the line.

I don't know that the site covers friendlies. I don't believe it does.

I don't know if they will respond, but you can try writing the club at verein@borussia-dortmund.de

[Gregoriak]

I don't think these two clubs could have met in a Super Cup game between 1982 and 1984. Dortmund only played one season in the UEFA Cup (1982-83) but were eliminated already in the first round. To be able to play a Super Cup game, Dortmund would have had to win either the European Cup or the Cup Winners' Cup - they did neither. Barca won the Cup Winner's Cup in 1982 and thus played in the Super Cup against Aston Villa later that year (2-0, 0-3).

Thus it must have been a friendly game. I could imagine since Udo Lattek coached Dortmund and then left to coach Barca that both sides met because of that (rather unusual when a coach changes clubs, but could be). Or it was just a simple, normal friendly without any special background.

[jonam]

I am wondering if someone with some historical knowledge can help me identify the date and context for a match between Dortmund and Barcelona that took place between 1982 and 1984. The only information I can find about the two teams playing each other is during the European Super Cup (see http://www.rsssf.com/ec/ecomp.html), but the match that I am trying to find out about featured Maradona playing for Barca. Maradona was gone by the time the two teams played in the Super Cup. So, I'm thinking that they must have played in a friendly or pre- or mid-season tournament. Does anyone know when this game would have taken place? Is their a Web site that I have missed somehow that lists every Dortmund game (including pre-season or mid-season friendlies or tournaments)? Thanks in advance for any help. Take care.


Our website has the by far biggest BVB specific match data base:

http://www.schwatzgelb.de/statistik/spiele.php3?spieltag=Turnier&wettbewerb=Testspiel&saison=1983/84&datum=1983-08-24

This one was a (friendly?) tournament, that's all I know. Not even the line ups are available. Just that our coach back then was Uli Maslo.

[footyfan1]

Superb information! Thanks!!

[Gregoriak]

Excellent job, Jonam.

My guess is that it was a meeting within the Juan Gamper tournament. I must check if I have a Kicker from that time...

[danielmak]

Thank you all for help with this. I also received an email from Karel at RSSF with the following link:

http://www.rsssf.com/tablesj/joangamper.html#83

The site does not list the players. Here is that information for your Web site if you want it:

Borussia D.:

Immel

Koch

Huber/ Rusman/ Loose

Tenhagen/ Zorc/ Walz

Klotz/ Ruducanu/ Kesser

Subs: Mein, Stork, Shause
Entr: (Not listed)


Barcelona:

Uruti

Migueli

Sanchez/ Alexanco/ J. Alberto

Esteban/ Victor/ Schuster

Carrasco/ Maradona/ Marcos

Subs: Quini, Urbano, Pinchi A.
Entr: C. L. Menotti

Thanks again for your help with this. Take care.

[jonam]

@danielmak

Thx, will forward the line up infos to our master of statistics so he can add them.

[Gregoriak]

That RSSSF site is really massive. I spent a good deal of my online time browsing thru their site, but I never knew that they had the results and scorers of the Joan Gamper tournament! I just noticed that Köln beat Barcelona 4-0 in 1981 in the Nou Camp. Hell!

Just checking other 1980s results. What is that? Barca beat Boca Juniors 9-1 in 1984??? Who'd have thought?

That schwatzgelb site is also impressive. It's a site run by fans, not the official club site, right Jonam? Awesome.

[footyfan1]

That schwatzgelb site is also impressive. It's a site run by fans, not the official club site, right Jonam? Awesome.


Right on Gregoriak. Those guys do a great job.

[jonam]

That schwatzgelb site is also impressive. It's a site run by fans, not the official club site, right Jonam? Awesome.


<selfpromotion>We are the biggest fanzine of all Bundesliga clubs by far, run by supporters (at the moment about 30 at all, some very active, some not), press accrediting for every Bundesliga/other match (including foto pass), no advertising since the beginning, a total of about 7 million page impressions a month (IIRC)</selfpromotion>

But to spread some rep: footyfan1 is working for the official BVB website. He translates German articles for the English website of BVB (together with 2-3 friends?). He does that without any reward just because of his passion!

[jonam]

That RSSSF site is really massive.



RSSSF is insane. So much infos, really unbelievable. Everytime I got completely stuck in finding a result I go there. Really massive.