Forgotten great teams

[dor02]

Bossio was the guy at the 1930 WC, he continued to play for river for a bit. He may have actually been gone as La Maquina emerged. Diablos Rojos are indeed the Red Devils. We are the epitome' of a dysfunctional Argentine family. The overwhelming majority of the family support BOCA and the others did so as a rebellion:D It seems my godfather grew up in Avellaneda before moving to into the capitol and stuck with his team until this day.For those in my family that actually watch soccer/football (it seems your family is really passionate), most of my family support Inter and the rest go for Juve. Two of my cousins support Lazio though.

[Moishe]

For those in my family that actually watch soccer/football (it seems your family is really passionate), most of my family support Inter and the rest go for Juve. Two of my cousins support Lazio though.

When was it that you decided Juve over Inter? My choice was pretty easy as my Tia would sing El Dale Bo to me as a baby just to spite my viejo. They've refused to watch a Super Clasico together for a long long time now. Silly but funny all the same.

[jerrito]

When was it that you decided Juve over Inter? My choice was pretty easy as my Tia would sing El Dale Bo to me as a baby just to spite my viejo. They've refused to watch a Super Clasico together for a long long time now. Silly but funny all the same.

Two of my closest friends are from Milano. One is a fan of Inter, the other of Milan. Years ago their father forbid them from watching the derby together because they would literally get in to fist fights during the match. Even when they went to the Meazza for the derby they sat in different parts of the stadium. Now that their father has passed away, they still do not watch the game together. This happens alot in Italy with Juve - Torino, Roma - Lazio etc...and I would imagine in many families in football loving nations. Like you said, silly but funny all the same, Moishe!:D

Thank God Naples only has on big club!

[dor02]

When was it that you decided Juve over Inter? My choice was pretty easy as my Tia would sing El Dale Bo to me as a baby just to spite my viejo. They've refused to watch a Super Clasico together for a long long time now. Silly but funny all the same.I've always hated Inter. For some reason, I thought they were the biggest team in Italy. I have that habit of not going for the biggest team in a league. Then my dad told me that Juve was going to play River in the Toyota Cup and he is a Juve fan. Since then I've supported Juve and even when I found out that Juve was the most successful club in Italy, it didn't matter to me because I would usually follow whoever my dad supports so I've stuck with them since.

I never knew that there were families who refused to watch derbies together. That is funny yet strange.

As for towns in southern Italy, most of their rivalries are with other towns. Who can forget Palermo vs Catania?

Two of my friends from high school, one a Milan fan, one an Inter supporter, used to be really good friends from a young age but since high school, they haven't been speaking to each other. I really doubt it's to do with the Milan rivalry but I just love how coincidental it is!

[Moishe]

Two of my closest friends are from Milano. One is a fan of Inter, the other of Milan. Years ago their father forbid them from watching the derby together because they would literally get in to fist fights during the match. Even when they went to the Meazza for the derby they sat in different parts of the stadium. Now that their father has passed away, they still do not watch the game together. This happens alot in Italy with Juve - Torino, Roma - Lazio etc...and I would imagine in many families in football loving nations. Like you said, silly but funny all the same, Moishe!:D

Thank God Naples only has on big club!

That's funny because my family has attended their fair share of Super Clasicos and to the best of my viejos knowledge it's been since pre-teens that they've sat together in the same stadium. The only time we can all seem to watch the game together is when the national team is playing. As you know, that is the one unifying factor that trumps club loyalties. I love this game:)

I've always hated Inter. For some reason, I thought they were the biggest team in Italy. I have that habit of not going for the biggest team in a league. Then my dad told me that Juve was going to play River in the Toyota Cup and he is a Juve fan. Since then I've supported Juve and even when I found out that Juve was the most successful club in Italy, it didn't matter to me because I would usually follow whoever my dad supports so I've stuck with them since.

I never knew that there were families who refused to watch derbies together. That is funny yet strange.

As for towns in southern Italy, most of their rivalries are with other towns. Who can forget Palermo vs Catania?

Two of my friends from high school, one a Milan fan, one an Inter supporter, used to be really good friends from a young age but since high school, they haven't been speaking to each other. I really doubt it's to do with the Milan rivalry but I just love how coincidental it is!

I completely understand supporting the underdog. Too much of the status quo can get boring (except for BOCA of course) which is why I still follow to a lesser degree other teams and leagues. I'm only a hincha of one team but a supporter of the game through and through. As for your friends, it's possible that supporting different teams had a minor impact on their relationship. I've had some fun talks with one of my only "old" friends and we joked about how we had buddies that we felt for sure we'd always be tight and in touch. Life happens and people change leaving us with fond memories. I actually speak with more friends from Argentina than I do from my high school graduating class.

[Spurs74]

Well Yugoslavia was always a conveyor belt of talented players. Just that they had failed to win a World Cup. That final in 1991 was anti-climax because they were facing a Marseille team that came fresh off whipping Milan in the semi-finals. Tragically this would like be the last time a Yugoslav team would reach anything of a real success.

[Spurs74]

True, Marseille was a side that was truly gifted if unless Tapie had not bought his influence to get them to become the side they would become. It just seems that after the bribery scandal, Marseille was not the same side anymore. Its a shame because after seeing what they did to Milan back '91, Hey, would have been nice to see a team with that talent become a force to reckon with.

The final they played in '93 was to me, not a great victory because I would have thought there would have been an open-attacking match among both sides.

L'OM!!!

[dor02]

Well Yugoslavia was always a conveyor belt of talented players. Just that they had failed to win a World Cup. That final in 1991 was anti-climax because they were facing a Marseille team that came fresh off whipping Milan in the semi-finals. Tragically this would like be the last time a Yugoslav team would reach anything of a real success.It has also been a long process for those nations to get back on track. Croatia is doing alright but Serbia still needs a bit more improvement.

In the 90s, there were many stars from the former Yugoslavia so one wonders how good they would have been if they stayed together. A national team with Jarni, Savicevic, Jugovic, Suker and Mijatovic would have been a force.

[Hrvat]

It has also been a long process for those nations to get back on track. Croatia is doing alright but Serbia still needs a bit more improvement.

In the 90s, there were many stars from the former Yugoslavia so one wonders how good they would have been if they stayed together. A national team with Jarni, Savicevic, Jugovic, Suker and Mijatovic would have been a force.

The team would have had bigger depth, but I was just thinking who, from our '98 squad, would I replace for a player who played for S&MN back then... Maybe one or two players in the starting eleven. Not that their players weren't good enough, but they weren't better either. The combined team probably wouldn't have done better than Croatia in France '98.

[dor02]

The team would have had bigger depth, but I was just thinking who, from our '98 squad, would I replace for a player who played for S&MN back then... Maybe one or two players in the starting eleven. Not that their players weren't good enough, but they weren't better either. The combined team probably wouldn't have done better than Croatia in France '98.Maybe Mihajlovic could have found a spot and maybe Mijatovic or Savicevic. Either way, you couldn't drop Suker.

I'd assume that a combined team wouldn't have done as well as Croatia due to egos clashing.

[Jah Rastafari]

Maybe Mihajlovic could have found a spot and maybe Mijatovic or Savicevic. Either way, you couldn't drop Suker.

I'd assume that a combined team wouldn't have done as well as Croatia due to egos clashing.

the combined team would have done great. all one would need to do is to remind serbian players of what their place in the team is. :D

also with serbs in the team the pressure would have been taken from croats cause serbs would get blamed for all the bad stuff anyway :rolleyes:

[Cool Rob]

1992-1993 Sao Paulo was an extraordinary team, but somehow largely forgotten. The coach of the team was Tele Santana, Brazil’s 1982/1986 coach. The Sao Paulo team reads like a World Cup team: Cafu, Rai, Leonardo, Müller, Zetti, Toninho Cerezzo, Dinho, Doriva. Rogerio Ceni was a young backup.

In 1992 Sao Paulo won the Libertadores Cup then beat Barca and Cyruff’s Dream team in the Intercontinental Cup. In 1993 Sao Paulo again won the Libertadores Cup then beat Milan in the Intercontinantal Cup.

Beating both of those Barca and Milan teams, as well as providing players for multiple world cup-winning teams is absoutely incredible.

[dor02]

1992-1993 Sao Paulo was an extraordinary team, but somehow largely forgotten. The coach of the team was Tele Santana, Brazil’s 1982/1986 coach. The Sao Paulo team reads like a World Cup team: Cafu, Rai, Leonardo, Müller, Zetti, Toninho Cerezzo, Dinho, Doriva. Rogerio Ceni was a young backup.

In 1992 Sao Paulo won the Libertadores Cup then beat Barca and Cyruff’s Dream team in the Intercontinental Cup. In 1993 Sao Paulo again won the Libertadores Cup then beat Milan in the Intercontinantal Cup.

Beating both of those Barca and Milan teams, as well as providing players for multiple world cup-winning teams is absoutely incredible.Being a South American club side and a strong side from the last 15 years, they do slip under the radar, especially when most of the football coverage comes from Europe. In fact, most South American teams don't get enough recognition.

[squidward123]

Being a South American club side and a strong side from the last 15 years, they do slip under the radar, especially when most of the football coverage comes from Europe. In fact, most South American teams don't get enough recognition.

you think? How about all of fifa's wpy nominees coming from europe. all 30 of them. even injured for most of the season players like eto'o can get in over south americans who can play a whole season.

[dor02]

you think? How about all of fifa's wpy nominees coming from europe. all 30 of them. even injured for most of the season players like eto'o can get in over south americans who can play a whole season.When it comes to FIFA's awards, not many people can take them seriously. It's all about the hype for them.

[Moishe]

you think? How about all of fifa's wpy nominees coming from europe. all 30 of them. even injured for most of the season players like eto'o can get in over south americans who can play a whole season.

When it comes to FIFA's awards, not many people can take them seriously. It's all about the hype for them.

I believe next year could be interesting for FIFA if Riquelme has the year at BOCA many are expecting coupled with what's already been some fantastic performances for the camisita. I've factored in that he won't be playing in Europe which will really put FIFA to the fire.

But I do believe these awards, at least the ones FIFA puts their name on are generally nothing more than a good chuckle.

[BlackDiamond]

1992-1993 Sao Paulo was an extraordinary team, but somehow largely forgotten. The coach of the team was Tele Santana, Brazil’s 1982/1986 coach. The Sao Paulo team reads like a World Cup team: Cafu, Rai, Leonardo, Müller, Zetti, Toninho Cerezzo, Dinho, Doriva. Rogerio Ceni was a young backup.

In 1992 Sao Paulo won the Libertadores Cup then beat Barca and Cyruff’s Dream team in the Intercontinental Cup. In 1993 Sao Paulo again won the Libertadores Cup then beat Milan in the Intercontinantal Cup.

Beating both of those Barca and Milan teams, as well as providing players for multiple world cup-winning teams is absoutely incredible.

It´s good to remember too that this fantastic team beat Real Madrid (0-4) in the Ramon de Carranza Trophy final and also Barcelona (1-4) in the Tereza Herrera Trophy final in 1992.

Also, Sao Paulo reached 3 Libertadores Cup finals in a row (won 1992 and 1993, as Cool Rob said, but was beaten at home (+/- 120.000 supporters) by Argentinian Velez Sarsfield in 1994.

[kingkong1]

It´s good to remember too that this fantastic team beat Real Madrid (0-4) in the Ramon de Carranza Trophy final and also Barcelona (1-4) in the Tereza Herrera Trophy final in 1992.

Also, Sao Paulo reached 3 Libertadores Cup finals in a row (won 1992 and 1993, as Cool Rob said, but was beaten at home (+/- 120.000 supporters) by Argentinian Velez Sarsfield in 1994.São Paulo and Flamengo as a matter of fact were the big villains of Real Madrid in the 90's.

See this sequence of videos.

The 1st, Fla 3 x 0 RM, in Spain (Fla with Sávio, Gilberto, Lúcio, Rodrigo Souto, Maurinho) - that same year, RM, with Sávio, would become CL and World Champion agst Vasco.

The 2nd, Fla 5 x 2 Benfica in Belo Horizonte.

The third, Fla 3 x 1 Valencia (with Romário), at the Naranja Trophy, in Spain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAAO36zdsOc&feature=related

[Roger Allaway]

Dukla in the early 1960s.

[andykeikei]

As I mentioned in this thread:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1087389

I think the Yugoslavia during the 50s were really underrated. Everybody remembered the Magical Magyars and Pele, Didi's Brazil; but that team actually had lots of good players. Too bad as lanman pointed out, they just had to face some bad luck or tough opponents...