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FC Uptown
07 Jan 2007, 06:50 PM
Interesting Klinsi piece

From Today's (1/7/07) London Telegraph
"Coaching overload does not guarantee good football

Forget shares and the property market; the real growth areas over the next few years will be dugouts and cones. According to Steve McClaren, who was greatly impressed by a recent speech by Jurgen Klinsmann, coaches are to proliferate in the football of the future.

Indeed, the England manager reports in the current FA Review that Germany's World Cup chief, now back in California, believes players will soon be outnumbered by those charged with honing every aspect of their performance: ''It was interesting listening to Klinsmann. He spoke about having lots of staff and individual programmes for each player."

McClaren agrees, forecasting: ''I think we will see teams of coaches evolve."

He considers this a natural consequence of the ''information" boom. ''We are able to get more and more information from the game. Factual information, not just instinct. This is leading to a decrease in the gap — especially at international level — between the top teams and the smaller teams. Everybody now is getting very organised and very difficult to beat. I think that will continue...."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...7/sfnpb207.xml

Attacking Minded
07 Jan 2007, 07:26 PM
You've got to imagine that functional training and modeling will become more and more detaled and meet up with individual physical training.

numerista
07 Jan 2007, 07:42 PM
He considers this a natural consequence of the ''information" boom. ''We are able to get more and more information from the game. Factual information, not just instinct. This is leading to a decrease in the gap — especially at international level — between the top teams and the smaller teams. Everybody now is getting very organised and very difficult to beat. I think that will continue...."

Great piece, and this is why I think we should've brought in Klinsmann. Over the next few years, improvements in both tactics and physical training will be driven by new technology, and that's an area where we in the US could be #1 -- not just decrease the gap, gain an advantage. Under Bradley, though, it ain't gonna happen.

FC Uptown
07 Jan 2007, 07:57 PM
I've looked for more information online about this Klinsmann speech, but can't seem to find more specifics.
A transcript would be great, or at least some more quotes.
Interesting ideas here.

Attacking Minded
07 Jan 2007, 07:58 PM
Fixed link:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/01/07/sfnpb207.xml

diablodelsol
07 Jan 2007, 08:09 PM
There is nothing groundbreaking about what Klinsman is saying. What he describes has been going on in baseball and football for the better part of 50 years.

sidefootsitter
07 Jan 2007, 09:07 PM
The joy of football is to do with self-expression and that would change at the game's peril. So let the heads of youngsters be kept free of tactical (as opposed to technical) matters for as long as possible.

I wouldn't go that far ... if the right tactics are emphasized, i.e., vision and movement.

balatonsurfer
08 Jan 2007, 06:05 AM
There is nothing groundbreaking about what Klinsman is saying. What he describes has been going on in baseball and football for the better part of 50 years.


Right, I think he's taking a cue from American football. A typical coaching staff is what, 11 for an NFL team, PLUS scouts, right? He probably took his cue from there, and imagines it could transfer. He's prolly right.

drew_VT_6
08 Jan 2007, 09:11 AM
There is nothing groundbreaking about what Klinsman is saying. What he describes has been going on in baseball and football for the better part of 50 years.

Call it the Americanization of soccer. Unfortunately we were so busy doing things "the right way" by copying the Europeans we haven't established this mindset ourselves. The sooner we get away from trying to be Europe, the sooner we'll start to beat Europe's heavy hitters.

bltleo
08 Jan 2007, 09:45 AM
well I think I will not say anything new saying that Klinsi has the best coach qualities, very innovative and professional, he is not afriad of changes, he is not afraid of new ideas and he always did care of every player and made for every player recommendation and he motivated every player before the game. If you did not see the movie: Germany - summer fairly tale, then you should definitely watch it. Then you can see what "Klinsi-style" does mean, there is a lot from schwabian qualities too:). I don´t want to talk about future plans of Jürgen,but I think that you will see him in international soccer world soon. I know mostly of you are not interested what Klinsi is doing now and what his plans are because some of you might be mad at him or you are not interested in him because he is not your coach. Well I have following Klinsi long long time and know a lot about him.

His speeches are as fantastic as his coaching style. He is even pretty motivating and innovating..

and as I often said - he will come with big surprise soon....he will surprise us again....

this Schwabian living in California....

he can be role model for every coach, every player and for many of us.

bltleo

P.S THANKS for openning this thread. I would be jobless without Klinsi at Bigsoccer:) and without world cup news. Now I have at least good thread for discussion. Thanks.

livestock
09 Jan 2007, 07:55 PM
...Under Bradley, though, it ain't gonna happen.

Why not?!:confused:
Bradley's an educated man and a "thinker." He recognized Nowak's impact as a player and a coach and brought him in to be his right-hand-man...there's plenty of available American groundbreakers in the area of physical training (Gambetta, Versteegen, etc) that I doubt Bradley would dismiss this aspect of individual/team development. He, himself, has already been portrayed as a gym rat (weight room that is) and with Klinsi having sucessfully integrated American training philosophies (both in physical and psychological attributes) German angst, strom und drang towards the betterment of the uberteam, I would doubt any competitive national teams in the world are leaving their training regimens to the whims of an old-school coach from the old-boys network. So, even though, Bob Bradley can be linked directly to Bruce Arena's old-boy network, it is 2007, and he must understand much of what he needs to do in order to tap the fullest development of the USMNT at this point in history. Yes?

Adam Zebrowski
10 Jan 2007, 03:02 PM
usa winning a world cup is like george mason winning the ncaa title...

it's cinderella, without the consummation....

bradley can get the very best out of the usa, but like 2002 showed, that might not be quite good enough, and after the quarters, two difficult matches still await..

although i do think usa is more gonzaga than george mason, and i ain't betting on gonzaga neither

FC Uptown
14 Jan 2007, 05:24 PM
Klinsi from 04

'I always look at coaches and think what can I learn from them. Many American coaches actually know far more than some European coaches because they're constantly studying and learning. They use the resources of the university system, and get the update on speed and psychology. I know some coaches in Europe who still do the same sprint training as 15 years ago because they were successful then. But these coaches are looking at new developments. That's why it's very exciting to live here. If I want to look at UCLA research, I can. I know that no club in Europe will do that.' He thinks football should learn from US sports, such as basketball. 'Look at how they react as soon as they shoot a basket. They defend right away. They don't even think about it. But soccer players lose a ball and start thinking "what do I have to do now?"... I think in Europe we're a little bit too football focused.

'Perhaps five years from now coaching staff will look very different, with specialists in every field. Wenger was the first in my time to have a special nutritionist. Down the road, if I draw a picture, you have a specialist for speed training, strength and condition, psychology, nutrition. You have a staff of five and maybe positioning coaches for strikers, midfield and defenders. Then you might connect yourself with a network of people. Maybe there's a great tactician out there who analyses where your holes are. The head coach can't cover all those areas.'

There's no mistaking his long-term intentions even if, after this speech, he tells me again about how happy he is with his family in California and how his priority right now is his children. Klinsmann may have left football but football has not left him.

JeremyEritrea
14 Jan 2007, 05:35 PM
Did I miss something? Did Klinsmann change his mind and decide to become the USMNT coach?

Otherwise, I'm not sure how this thread is relevant to this forum.

:D

bltleo
15 Jan 2007, 04:58 AM
Did I miss something? Did Klinsmann change his mind and decide to become the USMNT coach?

Otherwise, I'm not sure how this thread is relevant to this forum.

:D

no you did not miss anything.

Klinsi is not going to be your coach..
he did not change the mind...

this thread exist only because of me here:)...so I´m not jobless at Us Forums..:)

plus Klinsi is always relevant in any forum)..cause he deserved it

bltleo

divingheader
15 Jan 2007, 05:31 PM
Great piece, and this is why I think we should've brought in Klinsmann. Over the next few years, improvements in both tactics and physical training will be driven by new technology, and that's an area where we in the US could be #1 -- not just decrease the gap, gain an advantage. Under Bradley, though, it ain't gonna happen.

Why do you think it will not happen under Bradley? Klinsmann has come into this country and has taken onboard the modern training techniques that have been developed in the US. Bradley was here while they were being developed, and likely has just as good a grasp of the overall picture as Klinsmann, with a better understanding of the nuts and bolts cause he was there as the ideas were being put together. I'd be suprised if Bradley was as "excited" by Klinsmanns speech as MacLaren (see earlier post) because it would contain little if anything new to him.
Bradley desrves his chance, give him a fair shot.

divingheader
15 Jan 2007, 05:42 PM
Did I miss something? Did Klinsmann change his mind and decide to become the USMNT coach?

Otherwise, I'm not sure how this thread is relevant to this forum.

:D

This is a great topic for this forum. A respected and successful if not very experienced international coach speaking on the evolution of coaching and team management. The ideas he presents are news to many of the posters here, and the opportunity for analysis is obvious.

We could just argue whether the uncapped teenage D-Mid I think should make the team in 2010 is better than the competant MLS-based-forever Wide Mid that you prefer to see on the field. But thats just two people with different opinions: there is no news, and the facts we are analysing are extremely subjective. In the ned we are talking about a couple players we have never been on the field with as player or coach and trying to show why your way is better than mine.

Frankly, it is more interesting to discuss the Klinslann speech and the data it is based on. And it might even do us a bit of good.