L' Election Présidentielle 2007 / French Presidential Election [R]

[guignol]

One thing is positive, on the list douai gave, only Royal has a ENA degree (i'm not sure about dupon Aignan, but he has no chance anyway). Ouf. The domination of this pityful "grande école" over french politics was too much to bear. at least it's a guarantee the president never says "nucular" or "bring 'em on". ;)

and i don't think it's dupon Aignan... the correct spelling is poujade-aignan.

Of course, with his cursus in humanities, Bayrou proves that he is a superior mind... Humanities are the path of all the true leaders, all the real masterminds, all the geniuses commited to the betterment of mankind. Plus, they are very humble persons.like allègre? :rolleyes:

i'm a humanities major (history + french lit) and i'd be damned scared to have myself as president. i'd make robespierre look like mother theresa!

[Pierre-Henri]

Allègre is not a humanist, he was a geologist. I say "was" because a few years ago he entered some other dimension of human logic, where nothing makes any sense. Of course, I won't say he is "nuts" because that would be too insulting. Let's say he has become "postmodern".

Villepin was never elected. He is a pure bureaucrat (ENA, career in administration). In fact, he was one of the least competent persons in the country to impose something like the CPE. The guy never really worked in his entire life, he strictly knows nothing else than job security ... but said "job security is bad".

[guignol]

Allègre is not a humanist, he was a geologist. I say "was" because a few years ago he entered some other dimension of human logic, where nothing makes any sense.well what i meant was that he studied a real subject instead of administration... but it's clear he has rocks in his head!

but hey, in the states too the royal road to success is the MBA... which is the course of study I started out on sometime before the punic wars... but i decided i'd rather be a bum than an idiot.

[ilv2]

MAM has decided not to run for the presidency, and has opted to support le ptit Nicolas for the candidature. This leaves only the outside chance that Chirac will run which will draw votes away from the right. (Although Bayrou is increasing in popularity and is attracting both the disgruntled left and some of the moderate right)

Also, Sarko gave his last official bilan as the Minister of the Interior (he'll soon step down from these duties), and in there presented some... interesting views on foreigners and their right to ask for housing when in France, opening up a whole can of worms (FN anyone?). It'll be good to discuss this, although I don't know whether in here or the NSR thread

[Anti-footix]

don't know for whom do you want to vote ?

http://pourquivoter.awardspace.com/VoteMatch.htm

my results :
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/6515/rsultatsoz1.th.png (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rsultatsoz1.png)
I have boycotted every elections for the last 7 years and I will keep doing, but the results kinda reflect my opinions not so badly. so this stuff is really well done.

[ilv2]

lol that's a cool site, the only previous one i've seen is with party affiliation.

my results were

~40% Sarko :eek:
~37% Bayrou
~24% Sego

I think i'll have to redo the test, must have misread something

[guignol]

How tall is Nicholas Sarkozy?When I was watching France 2's Le Journal, Sarkozy seemed very short compared to Dominique de Villepin.at dinner with some colleagues one night, we figured out sarko's problem. he's a little man... with a little dick.

[lefutur]

at dinner with some colleagues one night, we figured out sarko's problem. he's a little man... with a little dick.

angry men often are...or do.

[Nanbawan]

my results were

~40% Sarko :eek:


Don't ever talk to me again ! :mad:




:p

[Douai]

According to France2, Sarkozy is leading Royal in polls.

[ilv2]

^to comment, Sarko is preparing his campaign shrewdly. Not that it was ever a question that he was going to be a candidate, but when he became official, one had the impression that he is a political force to be reckoned with (i.e. a presidential) rather than the short little weasel that he formerly was. He managed not only to eliminate and absorb the majority of chiraquiens and villipinistes but also started trying to court the left. Also, it doesn't hurt when the media refuses to touch you and on recount your successes.
Many are finding similarities between Sarko's coming into being and Chirac's ascension to power. Something that should worry a lot of people given the Chirac, who is supposed to be a "bulldozer," ended up ruling for too long and doing nothing.

Meanwhile, Sego is really sucking it up. Meaning, not only was she a poor candidate from the beginning (IMO), she still does not have any program save for a charming little idea about a series of public debates that will inform her of what the constituency actually wants, and will become her program. Brilliant :rolleyes: Her trips abroad were ill-advised because I think most of the french received it poorly even though the intention was obviously to make her look like a president. Then come the series of gaffes made by Sego and the PS in general that the media pounced on like wolves (not to mention their aversion for her), which has damaged her image further.

[ilv2]

First big mistep of Sarko's campaign
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/video/0,47-0@2-823448,54-859878,0.html

it's been revealed that the Renseignements Généraux, the central intelligence agency for the french police under the Ministry of the Interior, has been monitoring Bruno Rebelle, who is a member of Sego's campaign, as well as the candidate's own brother. The RG has confirmed this, although the head of the Interior Ministry, our friend Sarko, has denied knowledge of any investigation of the two - even though one would reasonably expect the head of a bureau to be aware of the activities of his own subordinates or even be the one who approves of such activities...
alors la tu ne travailles pas assez nico...

Funny that this stuff isn't making big headlines on a newspaper like lemonde. And then of course, we have the lovely comment by Sego guessing that France only has one submarine... :rolleyes:

[Douai]

First big mistep of Sarko's campaign
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/video/0,47-0@2-823448,54-859878,0.html

it's been revealed that the Renseignements Généraux, the central intelligence agency for the french police under the Ministry of the Interior, has been monitoring Bruno Rebelle, who is a member of Sego's campaign, as well as the candidate's own brother. The RG has confirmed this, although the head of the Interior Ministry, our friend Sarko, has denied knowledge of any investigation of the two - even though one would reasonably expect the head of a bureau to be aware of the activities of his own subordinates or even be the one who approves of such activities...
alors la tu ne travailles pas assez nico...

Interesting.This reminds me of the Watergate scandal.

[Douai]

"Georges Frêche exclu définitivement du Parti socialiste"

"Le président de la région Languedoc-Roussillon, Georges Frêche, est exclu définitivement du Parti socialiste pour ses dérapages verbaux, a annoncé samedi la commission nationale des conflits du PS.

Dans un communiqué lu au siège du PS, la commission a jugé que ce grand baron régional du PS, qui vient d'être condamné par la justice, avait tenu des propos "pas compatibles" avec son maintien dans le parti."
-France24.fr

http://www.france24.com/france24Public/fr/administration/article-afp.html?id=070127070902.tafoh5ug

I bring this up here, because didn't Ségolène Royal visit Guadeloupe recently?Was this probably done to ensure support of Royal there?

[ilv2]

Probably, if I'm correct, the territories outside of the hexagon vote predominately vote to the left. It's more than likely that she's trying to shore up those who may begin voting for the other left parties - her words are pretty firm and evoke clear stances against the legacy of colonization.. worth a read

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/depeches/0,14-0,39-29539589@7-37,0.html

[Pierre-Henri]

It would be watergate-like stuff in the USA, but it's pretty standard procedure in France. The "Renseignements Généraux" are the political branch of the french police, their mission is to analyse social disorders. They have files on each and every party, association, workers union, politician and the like. The fact they have a file on Bruno Rebelle is no big surprise. They probably have files on each and every left wing politician, on each and every right wing politician... in fact, on each and every politician in this country.

Funny thing is that this polical police was massively used by the left wing. Mitterand had wiretaps of many people in Paris (artists, actors and actresses, social activists and the like). To hear the left shout the way they do today is really ridiculous, when you compare with the sheer grossness of Mitterand's behaviour.

[ilv2]

didn't know about the RG, but scandals are a part of everyday life in the hexagon.
Why do you think Sarko denied to comment and recognize his knowledge - I had the impression that the files were started or commissioned recently, rather than existing all along.

[leg_breaker]

Go Le Pen!

[Nanbawan]

Go Le Pen!

Exactly. What's not to like with a guy who's a striker and keeps a clean sheet when replacing the GK !

http://www.football.fr/fr/images/200643/ulr%20le%20pen.jpg

à l'image de son capitaine de ce soir, Ulrich Le Pen, capable d'être gardien de fortune une semaine et de marquer la suivante. Voilà un joueur techniquement très fin et intelligent dans le jeu, qui est probablement passé à côté d'une carrière prestigieuse.

http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/fo/pierrotlefoot/article/7297/5/








What ?

[Nanbawan]

To hear the left shout the way they do today is really ridiculous, when you compare with the sheer grossness of Mitterand's behaviour.

If it's true, if Sarko really commissioned an inquiry with the campaign on his mind, it's still a significant move. Mitterrand is long dead and buried, it doesn't give the right a white card till the End of Times. Anyway, those are still rather discutable tricks, whoever is the perpetrators ; and this is actually where lies the whole issue...

The other bugging thing is that M. Sarkozy would have been using the RGs while staying interior minister and candidate to the Presidency. Despite all that, the affair wasn't apparently so hard to leak in the media. These kind of things are deemed so insignificant that the guys merely feel the need to be discrete ! That's where we are ! :eek:

Concerning Ségolène : when she was nominated, the first thing that came to my mind was...Hangover...

Personally, I've never liked her and never bought her attitude and the marketing posture she tries to sell. Not being on the Socialist bandwagon either and well, most of you are aware of my admiration for Sarko...It's a pretty depressing presidential campaign as far as I'm concerned...Hmm, yes, another one.

Meanwhile Bayrou could play Le Pen's role in those elections. OK, it's far better than having the one eyed demon but still. Bayrou vs Royal ; Sarkozy vs Bayrou, and you know the winner is France's next prez...Realise people ! What have we done ! :o

Like it is sometimes the case in the US and since we seem to americanise our electoral process, this election might also be settled by a notion we kinda forgot in recent Présidentielles...The 'Ticket' ! So, despite Royal (right wingly remastered)'s gaffes, a lucky loser like DSK might save the day for the Rose in bringing some confidence to the voters in knowing that he could be the boss of Ségo's first cabinet. Yet, I wonder how long would Mme Royal be kept aside and assume a sort of honorary role. Add M. Hollande's influence on the Socialist party to the mix...*head explodes*

On the other hand, I wonder who would play the role I've just assigned to M. Strauss-Kahn. Maybe a Sarkozy - Michèle Alliot-Marie ticket would help Sarko better smoothen his public image and promote peace within the UMP with the Chirac clan. I feel like talking about medieval like alliances...That would be win-win though ; but the problem remains the same as 'en face', how this would stay coherent and not burst into tiny shrapnels at the first bump ?