Whos better Lampard or Gerrard?

[schafer]

Lampard was good in that tie but Ballack nearly clawed Munich back into it single handed in the tie in germany. He was sensational that game.

Ballack was fairly poor at the Bridge though, other than diving to get a penalty.

[Pereira_17]

Oh good - fresh meat. The other carcasses were getting a bit chewy. It was me that said Scholes, by the way.

I like your idea that Gerrard should be benched in favour of a player who has a dislocated shoulder and a player who doesn't play for Liverpool. That's the harshest assessment we've had on his talents to date and I'd love to hear more.

As to playing Ballack ahead of Lampard, that is also a truly wonderful supposition of which I don't doubt many others here would love to hear more. I may not rate Lampard that highly, but worse than Ballack for Chelsea? That's crazyfool talk. Ballack has been nothing short of disastrous for Chelsea and Lampard makes twice the contribution Ballack does in every single game they have played this season.


Chelsea in an ideal world without injuries would be much better off playing

with Makalele and Essien in the middle, Joe Cole creating havoc on one wing and Robben going crazy on the other. Drogba, Robben, and Kalou playing off of Cole with Essien and Makalele in more of a holding position.

Terry and Carvalho in the back with Cashley and Ferreira running the flanks. In this ideal situation Lampard would not start. But an idiot broke Cech's head, Terry got hurt, Carvalho got hurt, Robben pulled something, Shevchenko left his game in Italy, and Essien plays a different position every week. I heard he's going in goal to give Cech a break this weekend.

In an ideal world, Sisoko, Mascherano and Alsonso are better than Gerrard. But Sisoko slipped, fell and did something to his shoulder and Mascherano is still stuck in West Ham asking the lords of football for some mercy.

PS Ballack hasn't been that horrible. Only reason Lampard does anything is because Makalele and Essien do all the work and allow him to put in Drogba and Kalou's dribblers.

[schafer]

Chelsea in an ideal world without injuries would be much better off playing

with Makalele and Essien in the middle, Joe Cole creating havoc on one wing and Robben going crazy on the other. Drogba, Robben, and Kalou playing off of Cole with Essien and Makalele in more of a holding position.

Terry and Carvalho in the back with Cashley and Ferreira running the flanks. In this ideal situation Lampard would not start. But an idiot broke Cech's head, Terry got hurt, Carvalho got hurt, Robben pulled something, Shevchenko left his game in Italy, and Essien plays a different position every week. I heard he's going in goal to give Cech a break this weekend.

In an ideal world, Sisoko, Mascherano and Alsonso are better than Gerrard. But Sisoko slipped, fell and did something to his shoulder and Mascherano is still stuck in West Ham asking the lords of football for some mercy.

PS Ballack hasn't been that horrible. Only reason Lampard does anything is because Makalele and Essien do all the work and allow him to put in Drogba and Kalou's dribblers.

I doubt you've seen much of Chelsea the past two years given your assessment. Lampard was, and continues to be, critical to Chelsea's success. And Mascherano, Alonso, and Sissoko are by no means better than Gerrard.

[The Jitty Slitter]

Ballack was fairly poor at the Bridge though, other than diving to get a penalty.

LOL

my point was only that he was awesome in the return leg.

[Pereira_17]

You guys are funny though. I like seeing arguements about why two players who could not play anymore like each other are better than the other. I think that if you put Gerrard on Chelsea and Lampard on Liverpool you would have the same results they are so alike. They both have good shots, are physical, and are always positioned well.

what makes them different besides the teams that they play for?

[schafer]

LOL

my point was only that he was awesome in the return leg.

I know, I'm just saying why I think Lampard was better over the two legs. Your original post seemed to suggest that Ballack was more instrumental, or maybe I read it wrong.

[The Jitty Slitter]

You guys are funny though. I like seeing arguements about why two players who could not play anymore like each other are better than the other. I think that if you put Gerrard on Chelsea and Lampard on Liverpool you would have the same results they are so alike. They both have good shots, are physical, and are always positioned well.

what makes them different besides the teams that they play for?

IMO there is one key difference and that is while gerrard is an attacking weapon, he is not so much the playmaker. That is why alonso is in the side.

For the chavs, up until this season, Lampard very much ran the game.

[The Jitty Slitter]

I know, I'm just saying why I think Lampard was better over the two legs. Your original post seemed to suggest that Ballack was more instrumental, or maybe I read it wrong.

I agree, which is one reason you won the tie. It was just one of those games where Ballack threatened to "do a gerrard"

[Pereira_17]

I doubt you've seen much of Chelsea the past two years given your assessment. Lampard was, and continues to be, critical to Chelsea's success. And Mascherano, Alonso, and Sissoko are by no means better than Gerrard.

Lampard is not critical to Chelsea's success. I disagree. Take Lampard off of the team and they do not miss a step. He's good but not that good. Essien is 5x better than he is. He is the reason they are so good. Maybe not last season but definitely this season. Last season I think that if Crespo is not playing you guys don't win as many games as you did. Point proven by this year's performance.

[yasik19]

Lampard is not critical to Chelsea's success. I disagree. Take Lampard off of the team and they do not miss a step. He's good but not that good. Essien is 5x better than he is. He is the reason they are so good. Maybe not last season but definitely this season. Last season I think that if Crespo is not playing you guys don't win as many games as you did. Point proven by this year's performance.

enough of this insanity. We have played games w/out Lampard and we sucked in those games. Case closed.

[The Jitty Slitter]

Lampard is not critical to Chelsea's success. I disagree. Take Lampard off of the team and they do not miss a step. He's good but not that good. Essien is 5x better than he is. He is the reason they are so good. Maybe not last season but definitely this season. Last season I think that if Crespo is not playing you guys don't win as many games as you did. Point proven by this year's performance.

what rot.

[The Jitty Slitter]

ps - schafer

Are you canadian? no wonder you are such a reasonable fellow ;)

[schafer]

Lampard is not critical to Chelsea's success. I disagree. Take Lampard off of the team and they do not miss a step. He's good but not that good. Essien is 5x better than he is. He is the reason they are so good. Maybe not last season but definitely this season. Last season I think that if Crespo is not playing you guys don't win as many games as you did. Point proven by this year's performance.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Crespo's replacement has been fairly dire up until this point. Or the fact that J. Cole and Robben have been injured for long stretches.

Essien has been better this season, but to say that Chelsea would be better off without Lampard is actually insane. He was Chelsea's leading league goalscorer both of the last 2 seasons they won the league, one of which Essien was not at Chelsea and the other in which he was fairly underwhelming. And he's got something like 8 league goals already this season.

[Pereira_17]

enough of this insanity. We have played games w/out Lampard and we sucked in those games. Case closed.
Still don't think he is that great.

[schafer]

ps - schafer

Are you canadian? no wonder you are such a reasonable fellow ;)

Yep. Nice to see we have a reputation.

[yasik19]

Still don't think he is that great.

irrelevant to this debate. While most people on this thread will take sides on the Lampard vs. Gerrard debate, I'm sure most would agree that Lampard has been instrumental in recent success of Chelsea.

[CescMate]

Both vital to their clubs and two of the best players in the world.

Personally I'd want to see Gerrard, out of the two, at Arsenal but then that would never happen.

[Matt Clark]

Sorry, Matt, but you weren't just trying to suggest that Gerrard single-handedly won Liverpool the CL final were you?

A game which went to penalties after Liverpool had been utterly outplayed, and in which Gerrard didn't even take a penalty?
Hmmm. Except there would have been no penalties without Gerrard.

[schafer]

Hmmm. Except there would have been no penalties without Gerrard.

Nor without Smicer, or Dudek, or Hamann, or Carragher, or Traore...

Gerrard was brilliant in the 2nd half of that game, definitely Liverpool's best player. But to suggest that he won it singlehandedly is absurd.

[Pereira_17]

Both vital to their clubs and two of the best players in the world.

Personally I'd want to see Gerrard, out of the two, at Arsenal but then that would never happen.
I'll concede to the vitality of their roles in the clubs.

But not to saying they are two of the best in the world. No, no, no. No. I can name at least 15 players that are better:

1. Kaka
2. Deco
3. Essien
4. Robinho
5. Ronaldinho
6. Totti
7. Gilberto Silva
8. Scholes
9. Cristiano Ronaldo
10. Aimar
11. Gatuso
12. Cambiasso
13. Viera
14. Makalele
15. Fabregras

And that's at their position only.