Whos better Lampard or Gerrard?

[yasik19]

Nope. We are talking about Gerrard and Lampard. No one else. And remember who we beat on the way in the semi final.

To compare the two is laughable. Frank Lampard would not get into our first eleven. Steven Gerrard would walk straight into yours. Your manger bid £30 million pounds for him. Or had you forgotten about that?

And...anways did Frank even play at Anfield on Saturday? I certainly did'nt notice him. I suppose the guy who was asked to close him down him must have done a good job eh?

They went head to head this week and your man lost.

Nuff said.

and Bouhlarouz shut down Ronnaldinho in the 1st leg of our group match. That must mean that he is better than last year's FIFA player of the year according to your argument.

As an individual talent, Gerrard is better, that I'm sure of. however, team performances are not based on that. Hence, in that category, to assume that Lampard is better is very reasonable.

[Matt Clark]

As an individual talent, Gerrard is better, that I'm sure of. however, team performances are not based on that. Hence, in that category, to assume that Lampard is better is very reasonable.
Arf ... now Lampard is the better team?

[Matt Clark]

To suggest that Lampard would not get into Liverpool's team is absolutely ridiculous.
Who would he replace in the starting eleven? Gerrard, Alonso or Sissoko?

And don't forget that when Chelsea bid for him, he was all packed and ready to go until some bin-dippers threatened him.
Yaawn on the old wives' tale about threats ... and beyond that, your point makes no sense in the context of the post it was replying to.

Frank Lampard played very poorly on Saturday as has been discussed, but it was nothing to do with Gerrard.
Riiiight ... they were only marking each other.

You watched on telly, I presume ...

[Karloski]

As an individual talent, Gerrard is better, that I'm sure of. however, team performances are not based on that. Hence, in that category, to assume that Lampard is better is very reasonable.

Pheww!! This is hard work, but a Chelsea fan has finally seen the light. Welcome to the world of the sane Yasik.

[yasik19]

Arf ... now Lampard is the better team?

well, hold on a sec there, are you saying there is no case to be presented to suggest that Lampard does better for Chelsea than Gerrard does for Liverpool? Because that is what I'm saying.

[Matt Clark]

Isn't that the case that various despos have now spent 9 pages trying and failing to make? What they're really saying is that Lampard is more integral to Chelsea than Gerrard to Liverpool, which is a statement that rather explodes the many nuances of relative team strength and the individual talents they bring to bear.

And as things stand, the only game of note that Lampard has been instrumental in winning for Chelsea is the 2-0 at Bolton to clinch the first of the two titles. A title that Chelsea would have clinched anyway - either that day or the week after. Gerrard, on the other hand, has won going on for half a dozen vital games for Liverpool, starting with the Champions League final, continuing with the FA Cup final ...

Like I keep saying - once you slice the Lampard delusion up into any shape or form, it falls apart.

[yasik19]

ok, now you got me all confused. Why do you put so much emphasis on game winning goals? yes, Gerrard is an inspirational captain who sometimes is capable of dragging his team out of a shit performance. However, surely there goes more into a player's contribution to a team than goals scored. If you look at those stats, Lampard has been phenomenal for Chelsea.

So while I won't argue that Lampard is a better overall player, i will say he is as good if not a better player for Chelsea than Gerrard is for Liverpool.

[mshankb]

Isn't that the case that various despos have now spent 9 pages trying and failing to make? What they're really saying is that Lampard is more integral to Chelsea than Gerrard to Liverpool, which is a statement that rather explodes the many nuances of relative team strength and the individual talents they bring to bear.

And as things stand, the only game of note that Lampard has been instrumental in winning for Chelsea is the 2-0 at Bolton to clinch the first of the two titles. A title that Chelsea would have clinched anyway - either that day or the week after. Gerrard, on the other hand, has won going on for half a dozen vital games for Liverpool, starting with the Champions League final, continuing with the FA Cup final ...

Like I keep saying - once you slice the Lampard delusion up into any shape or form, it falls apart.

You are genuinely retarded. You MUST be.

[Pereira_17]

I think that they are both over rated. I agree with who ever wrote Scholes. This arguement brings up horrible memories of watching England in the WC. Over rated team playing horribly. That was painful. :eek: Gerrard should sit the bench on his own team and so should lampard.

chelsea should always play Makalele, Essien, and Ballack ahead of that dead weight.

liverpool should always play sisoko, alonso and when they get him mascherano ahead of gerrard.

[mshankb]

I think that they are both over rated. I agree with who ever wrote Scholes. This arguement brings up horrible memories of watching England in the WC. Over rated team playing horribly. That was painful. :eek: Gerrard should sit the bench on his own team and so should lampard.

chelsea should always play Makalele, Essien, and Ballack ahead of that dead weight.

liverpool should always play sisoko, alonso and when they get him mascherano ahead of gerrard.


I think you're overrated.

[matty boy]

I think that they are both over rated. I agree with who ever wrote Scholes. This arguement brings up horrible memories of watching England in the WC. Over rated team playing horribly. That was painful. :eek: Gerrard should sit the bench on his own team and so should lampard.

chelsea should always play Makalele, Essien, and Ballack ahead of that dead weight.

liverpool should always play sisoko, alonso and when they get him mascherano ahead of gerrard.

Yeah cos the us we're great at the world cup. both gerrard and lampard could get into any team in spain or italy and everyone knows gerrard is better than lampard. gerrard ran rings around lampard and chelsea last weekend

[Matt Clark]

ok, now you got me all confused. Why do you put so much emphasis on game winning goals?
Am I doing that? You steered the conversation in that direction, I'm just accepting the invitation to raise yet another way in which Gerrard is effortlessly superior to Lampard.

However, surely there goes more into a player's contribution to a team than goals scored. If you look at those stats, Lampard has been phenomenal for Chelsea.
Now there's a non-sequitur if ever there was one. Either the numbers don't tell the whole story, or they do. I've maintained from the outset that they never have and never will, but everyone else seems confused on the matter.

So while I won't argue that Lampard is a better overall player, i will say he is as good if not a better player for Chelsea than Gerrard is for Liverpool.
Um ... OK. You're welcome to that if you want it.

You are genuinely retarded. You MUST be.
Whilst it would be no impediment to me in this particular thread if I were, it just so happens I'm not.

But, yet again, this is easily resolved: name me another match of similar stature in which Lampard played a decisive role. I'll make it even easier for you - by "similar stature" I will allow you to present examples that are on a par with the Bolton game, rather than the Champions League final.

[Matt Clark]

I think that they are both over rated. I agree with who ever wrote Scholes. This arguement brings up horrible memories of watching England in the WC. Over rated team playing horribly. That was painful. :eek: Gerrard should sit the bench on his own team and so should lampard.

chelsea should always play Makalele, Essien, and Ballack ahead of that dead weight.

liverpool should always play sisoko, alonso and when they get him mascherano ahead of gerrard.

Oh good - fresh meat. The other carcasses were getting a bit chewy. It was me that said Scholes, by the way.

I like your idea that Gerrard should be benched in favour of a player who has a dislocated shoulder and a player who doesn't play for Liverpool. That's the harshest assessment we've had on his talents to date and I'd love to hear more.

As to playing Ballack ahead of Lampard, that is also a truly wonderful supposition of which I don't doubt many others here would love to hear more. I may not rate Lampard that highly, but worse than Ballack for Chelsea? That's crazyfool talk. Ballack has been nothing short of disastrous for Chelsea and Lampard makes twice the contribution Ballack does in every single game they have played this season.

[dupont]

That would be Gerrard

[schafer]

But, yet again, this is easily resolved: name me another match of similar stature in which Lampard played a decisive role. I'll make it even easier for you - by "similar stature" I will allow you to present examples that are on a par with the Bolton game, rather than the Champions League final.

Scoring 3x against Bayern Munich in the CL tie two seasons ago, overshadowing Ballack over the 2 legs.

Or scoring and setting up one (Duff, IIRC) in the 4-2 victory over Barca that same season.

Scoring against Arsenal in the CL quarterfinals a few seasons ago.

That's just CL, although he's scored a couple more against Barca in other meetings, and I haven't looked into how many game-winning or tying goals he's gotten in the league for Chelsea over the past two seasons. Of course, you'll no doubt dismiss these games and their importance, keeping with the pattern in this thread when evidence contrary to your opinion is presented to you.

[Matt Clark]

Right, thanks for playing.

Anyone else got anything that proves my point to chuck in the pot?

I'll happily admit evidence that contradicts me as being such. But I can't until there is some. I mean ... "scoring in a CL match = singlehandedly winning a game" just doesn't scan. Sorry.

[comme]

Right, thanks for playing.

Anyone else got anything that proves my point to chuck in the pot?

I'll happily admit evidence that contradicts me as being such. But I can't until there is some. I mean ... "scoring in a CL match = singlehandedly winning a game" just doesn't scan. Sorry.

Sorry, Matt, but you weren't just trying to suggest that Gerrard single-handedly won Liverpool the CL final were you?

A game which went to penalties after Liverpool had been utterly outplayed, and in which Gerrard didn't even take a penalty?

[schafer]

Right, thanks for playing.

Anyone else got anything that proves my point to chuck in the pot?

I'll happily admit evidence that contradicts me as being such. But I can't until there is some. I mean ... "scoring in a CL match = singlehandedly winning a game" just doesn't scan. Sorry.

Singlehandedly? Riiight, it was Gerrard that made that fantastic double save on Shevchenko in extra time. Or cleared off the line following a corner kick. Not to mention the way he disguised himself as Smicer to score the 2nd goal. And don't even get me started on how brilliant he was in saving all those penalties...

[Karloski]

Sorry, Matt, but you weren't just trying to suggest that Gerrard single-handedly won Liverpool the CL final were you?

A game which went to penalties after Liverpool had been utterly outplayed, and in which Gerrard didn't even take a penalty?

The victory was inspired by Gerrard's second half performance. Scores opening goal, runs through Milan defense to win the penalty and then gives a sterling performance when being placed by Rafa in the right back position.

MVP in Europe for that year - Gerrard.

[The Jitty Slitter]

Scoring 3x against Bayern Munich in the CL tie two seasons ago, overshadowing Ballack over the 2 legs.



Lampard was good in that tie but Ballack nearly clawed Munich back into it single handed in the tie in germany. He was sensational that game.