View Full Version : Whos better Lampard or Gerrard?
TOTOMUNDI
18 Oct 2009, 10:53 AM
Gerrard can defend, pass, shoot and attack. Tecnically he is so much better than Lampard is. It is a fact though that Lampard had played in the last 5 years in a better team than Gerrard and Lampard got a very good right shot but that is it. Sometimes he can put a long pass.
For me Gerrard is better than Lampard just that Lampard plays in a better team.
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Harry Boulton
19 Oct 2009, 04:49 AM
It's important to remember that every manager Gerrard plays under does not play him in central midfield. There is a reason for this and I suspect that it's because Gerrard is positionally naive and tactically undisciplined when he plays in centre midfield. His biggest flaw is that he goes looking for the ball as opposed to waiting for it to find him, which means he frequently leaves his post and exposes the defence behind him. It's an admirable trait but it does leaves you open to a counter attack, and teams have exploited this space on numerous occassions.
Whilst he's the more versatile player because of his outstanding physical and technical ability, he's not as intelligent as Lampard.
Personally, as a United fan, I'm a huge fan of Lampard. He's very tidy on the ball, disciplined and hard working off it and 100 goals in 5 seasons tells it's own tale.
Both are world class, but it's an irrelavant debate now as Gerrard has found his best position as a second forward, which allows him to maximise his ability to attack without worrying about the defensive side of his game.
thebigman
19 Oct 2009, 05:21 AM
lampards a better 'sitter' as he doesnt run round like a headless chicken
gerrard is better with free licence to roam around the attacking third
gerrard is a better individual but lampard has probably done more for his teams make up better than gerrard has these last few seasons
yasik19
19 Oct 2009, 12:04 PM
I can't believe somebody bumped this thread.
Karloski
19 Oct 2009, 12:12 PM
I can't believe somebody bumped this thread.
Alas yasik, our efforts to kill this thread never stood a chance.:(
I think the poster who bumped it is Matt Clarks sock. AKA 'The Evil One'.:D
yasik19
19 Oct 2009, 12:19 PM
Alas yasik, our efforts to kill this thread never stood a chance.:(
I think the poster who bumped it is Matt Clarks sock. AKA 'The Evil One'.:D
LOL. I also thought it was Matt's evil doing.
mcnaulty21
19 Oct 2009, 01:57 PM
I can't believe somebody bumped this thread.Oh the good old days
Matt Clark
20 Oct 2009, 03:43 AM
http://www.forumspile.com/Thread-Crap-Wont_Die.jpg
It wasn't me, just for the record. Not consciously, anyway. Maybe I willed it to happen because, deep down, I like torturing people.
TabLalas
22 Oct 2009, 01:06 PM
Gerrard, easy.
billyireland
22 Oct 2009, 06:15 PM
Gerrard, easy.
I say Lampard. What say you against this good sir?
TabLalas
23 Oct 2009, 08:25 AM
I say Lampard. What say you against this good sir?
Gerrard has the slightly better shot, Lampard probably has the better field awareness and willingness to play within the system, Gerrard is the better leader which I think is very underrated and he simply creates alot of opportunities for his teammates.
People seem to be gigging Gerrard because he freelances in that withdrawn forward role but I don't understand how that's a knock, the truly great players are always given more freedom to express themselves.
None of this is a knock on Lampard, but if I'm starting up a team today, Gerrard is the player which I'd choose to build the organization, easy.
ranny fash
28 Oct 2009, 08:35 PM
I've changed my mind over the last year or 2, and now I rate Lampard as the better player.
He is still improving, his first touch and awareness of his teammates seems to have improved significantly this year to the point where he is no longer 'carried' by his Chelsea teammates, but drives them on more than any other player. He is by far the better passer of the 2, although Gerrard is probably more capable of stunning 50 yarders.
No disrespect to Gerrard, who I've always thought was a great, great player, but Frank has overtaken him.
But this is all beside the point when it's obvious that they are very different players who see and play the game in very different ways, thus comparisons are pretty pointless. Hasn't Don Fabio made the people who claimed they 'couldn't play together' look really silly?
Harry Boulton
29 Oct 2009, 09:30 AM
Yes, but that's partly because of what Benitez has done with Gerrard at Liverpool.
He's no longer a central midfield player. He's much more versatile and now he's focusing his very obvious talents to other area's of the pitch. Rafa plays him behind the striker but this move has resulted in him being able to assert himself from other area's, most notably the left-hand side of midfield, in a similar way to how Kaka does for Brazil or how Messi does for Barcelona from the right.
It's definitely helped. It allows Gerrard the freedom to play as he likes, but also means that Lampard can focus on running the midfield from the centre. It brings the best out in both and my only disappointment, as an Englishman, is that no one hit upon the idea earlier.
ranny fash
29 Oct 2009, 05:19 PM
Yes, but that's partly because of what Benitez has done with Gerrard at Liverpool.
He's no longer a central midfield player. He's much more versatile and now he's focusing his very obvious talents to other area's of the pitch. Rafa plays him behind the striker but this move has resulted in him being able to assert himself from other area's, most notably the left-hand side of midfield, in a similar way to how Kaka does for Brazil or how Messi does for Barcelona from the right.
It's definitely helped. It allows Gerrard the freedom to play as he likes, but also means that Lampard can focus on running the midfield from the centre. It brings the best out in both and my only disappointment, as an Englishman, is that no one hit upon the idea earlier.
Totally agree, it seems ludicrous how unimaginative and tactically inept McLaren and Eriksson were now we have Capello's vision to appreciate. You don't have to play Lampard in an advanced midfield position to get the best out of him, just surround him with other great passers and someone who can tackle and snuff out danger and he's away! And with Gerrard, all you do is station him roughly to the left and high up the pitch and he dovetails nicely with Lampard and Rooney. Magic! Seems so obvious now...
Harry Boulton
30 Oct 2009, 05:51 AM
You don't have to play Lampard in an advanced midfield position to get the best out of him, just surround him with other great passers and someone who can tackle and snuff out danger and he's away!
It's Italian coaches, I'm convinced of it. Ancelotti has also started playing Lampard deeper at Chelsea which is only going to see him settle into the role and get beter and better. Something tells me that Sam Allardyce or Steve Bruce wouldn't have hit upon this ground breaking piece of sheer common sense................... :(
Kazuma
30 Oct 2009, 09:50 AM
It's Italian coaches, I'm convinced of it. Ancelotti has also started playing Lampard deeper at Chelsea which is only going to see him settle into the role and get beter and better. Something tells me that Sam Allardyce or Steve Bruce wouldn't have hit upon this ground breaking piece of sheer common sense................... :(
Lampard's always played a deep role at Chelsea. When you see most of his goals you'll notice how he is making that late run into the box and then scores. That England goal That's been his game for a while and he does it well. Best example is his England goal against Andorra. That was vintage Lampard. The goal in the CL final a few years ago was something he's been doing for years. It's just that Ancelotti realized that playing Lampard in advanced role in a diamond wasn't going to work because Frank was going deep to orchestrate everything and it wouldn't get the best out of him, thankfully though Chelsea have a player that can play at the advanced role in Joe Cole.
As for this endless and quite frankly ridiculous debate of whose better, they're incomparable now that Gerrard's played a different position as has been said. Though if they were to play CM still, I'd give it to Lampard. He's consistent, keeps it simple, and he scores goals. Gerrard is a great player but he can be inconsistent and has a problem keeping it simple. Gerrard might have more talent than Lampard but I think if he were to show the same consistency Lampard has shown Gerrard I would have a different opinion.
By the way Harry, you forgot to mention one Italian: Ranieri, who bought Lampard. I'm of the opinion that this is his best purchase for Chelsea ever and quite possibly his best purchase as a manager. All for £11 million.
EDIT: I should add that his passing is underrated. Usually you see him take a glance, hit the ball and most of the time it's spot on. This below being a great example:
YouTube - Arsenal 1 - 1 Chelsea Malouda
Harry Boulton
30 Oct 2009, 10:01 AM
I'd give it to Lampard. He's consistent, keeps it simple, and he scores goals. Gerrard is a great player but he can be inconsistent and has a problem keeping it simple. Gerrard might have more talent than Lampard but I think if he were to show the same consistency Lampard has shown Gerrard I would have a different opinion.
That would be my opinion exactly.
Frank Lampard for £11m. It's one of those purchases, isn't it? Even in their wildest dreams it seems impossible to comprehend that Ranieri knew that Lampard was going to be anywhere near as good as he's turned out to be. It's like Batistuta to Fiorentina for £5m, or Zidane moving to Juventus for £3m. They're bargains which defy logic.
three lions
30 Oct 2009, 01:18 PM
The thing about Lampard that got to me in the past, was that he appeared to play lazily when he played with England.. Maybe it was the personnel he had in midfield with him and formation that was used during the McClaren and Sven years...I remember a time when a midfield of Beckham, Lampard, Carrick, and Downing was deployed. Recipe for disaster... In my opinion, all Lampard needed was to be used properly, in a formation with complimentary players, and to be disciplined in the role that he was assigned. Capello has brought the best out of Lampard for England.
thebigman
30 Oct 2009, 08:04 PM
lampard is a better cm
gerrard has more attributes to his game but can make stupid mistakes and try and be over elaborate
i used to hate l;ampard but ive recently realised how good he actually is
im glad capello found a way to acomodate both
Harry Boulton
02 Nov 2009, 08:32 AM
Capello has brought the best out of Lampard for England.
Not entirely correct. Under Eriksson, Lampard won England Player of The Year two years runnnig between 2005 and 2006. I could never understand why he got ripped so badly by the fans. The problems were always issues with the twam as a whole, not with his individual form.