Whos better Lampard or Gerrard?

[cooldude]

For Chelsea not England.


For Chelsea, not England? I can say the same for all the Arsenal players.

[mcnaulty21]

Who is it then? Base it on fact Teso.

Fabio Cannavaro
FIFA World Player of the Year [FIFA]
Ballon d'Or (European Footballer of the Year) [France Football Magazine]
UEFA Best XI (Terry not named) [UEFA]

[Gunner14Kiwi]

For Chelsea, not England? I can say the same for all the Arsenal players.

Can you? plz enlighton me, has we current don't have too many English players in our team.

[cooldude]

Can you? plz enlighton me, has we current don't have too many English players in our team.

My bad. I meant to ask u how many players Arsenal have on the English team.

[cooldude]

Fabio Cannavaro
FIFA World Player of the Year [FIFA]
Ballon d'Or (European Footballer of the Year) [France Football Magazine]
UEFA Best XI (Terry not named) [UEFA]


Best defender last year no doubt, but have u actually watched him this year?

[cooldude]

I certainly can and I have clearly explained the reasoning behind doing so. If you wish to debate all-round games or set pieces (which we were not), then clearly they become a factor. Even then none of that trio can claim to be that good at them (Lampard's corners aside but again, then you must consider a teams ability to convert corners into goal). Had you bothered to read any of this thread or my contributions then you would have realised that Scholes would shoot more often if he was granted the same freedom to do so as Lampard is. You know full well that Scholes is forced to operate from deep in a formation which requires him to contribute to the defensive side of the game (even more so now that Carrick is a regular). This season he has played deeper than ever before and still impressed. You see, I look into an issue and all of the contributing factors before making a decision or debating an issue. It's just a pity that others prefer to ignorantly quote raw figures or make subjective comments (usually based only on aesthetics) without any further analysis. Would you care to join the discussion?

Ur trying to say that Man-Utd and Liverpool do not have players capable of scoring form set-pieces?

U have obviously stated that Scholes is not playing in the same role as Gerrard or Lampard this season, so why bring him into question?

[Gunner14Kiwi]

My bad. I meant to ask u how many players Arsenal have on the English team.

That sweet. we only have 2 english players, and 1 out for the season:rolleyes:

[Gunner14Kiwi]

Ur trying to say that Man-Utd and Liverpool do not have players capable of scoring form set-pieces?

U have obviously stated that Scholes is not playing in the same role as Gerrard or Lampard this season, so why bring him into question?

He's getting :confused: with the Arsenal team, who are a joke at set-pieces.

[comme]

I certainly can and I have clearly explained the reasoning behind doing so. If you wish to debate all-round games or set pieces (which we were not), then clearly they become a factor. Even then none of that trio can claim to be that good at them (Lampard's corners aside but again, then you must consider a teams ability to convert corners into goal). Had you bothered to read any of this thread or my contributions then you would have realised that Scholes would shoot more often if he was granted the same freedom to do so as Lampard is. You know full well that Scholes is forced to operate from deep in a formation which requires him to contribute to the defensive side of the game (even more so now that Carrick is a regular). This season he has played deeper than ever before and still impressed. You see, I look into an issue and all of the contributing factors before making a decision or debating an issue. It's just a pity that others prefer to ignorantly quote raw figures or make subjective comments (usually based only on aesthetics) without any further analysis. Would you care to join the discussion?


Ignorantly quoting raw figures?

I refer you to post 241.

Out of curiosity, what is your argument here?

The typical one that any United player is superior to any other player?

The thread is who is better Lampard or Gerrard? Is that not meant to be a discussion of their overall games? Within 7 posts it had become Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes.

How are you possibly trying to say that we are not discussing their all round game?

[mshankb]

Teso, you crack me, ya bloody loon :D

[JonThaRed]

Gerrard is all round better.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Who is it then? Base it on fact Teso.

Up until last season most would have said Nesta. He was injured at the WC (or just before, I cannot remember) and is only just starting to play again this season. Until I have seen whether the injury has had an impact or not, I will stick with him. Terry is a very good stopper but whether he would break into my top 10 or not is subject to debate. There are far better defenders who offer a lot more and for Terry to somehow be considered the best is a ridiculous overhyping of his abilities.

Ur trying to say that Man-Utd and Liverpool do not have players capable of scoring form set-pieces?

U have obviously stated that Scholes is not playing in the same role as Gerrard or Lampard this season, so why bring him into question?

I can only deal with Man Utd, others can comment about Liverpool. Our goal output from set pieces is not that great. Giggs and Ronaldo can hit them but they are not consistent. We have some players like Vidic, Scholes, Ronaldo and Saha who are good headers of the ball but the amount of goals we get from corners and even freekicks is rather poor. It's been a problem for quite some time.

I was not the person who brought Scholes into the discussion and the only reason I did recently was to illustrate how stupid the 'x scored more goals' argument was and to further highlight the number of shots issue that I had brought up in relation to a player being clinical.

Ignorantly quoting raw figures?

I refer you to post 241.

Out of curiosity, what is your argument here?

The typical one that any United player is superior to any other player?

The thread is who is better Lampard or Gerrard? Is that not meant to be a discussion of their overall games? Within 7 posts it had become Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes.

How are you possibly trying to say that we are not discussing their all round game?

Post 241 had a single reply until cooldude questioned why I ignored penalties and then set-pieces (in terms of assists). The set piece issue has barely been mentioned in the rest of the thread. My argument, which I have clearly detailed on numerous occasions and even in this post (see above) is that the 'x scored more goals' posts are asinine. At the start of this thread I provided detailed scoring information for both Lampard and Gerrard in response and the debate continued. Unfortunately the same idiotic 'x scored more goals' posts eventually appeared again. That is when I provided additional information on Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes. As I stated above, I included the latter to highlight my point about taking number of shots and how clinical a player is into consideration when discussing and comparing goal figures. I was not the one who originally mentioned Scholes and I ignored him until my recent posts required him being used as an example for comparison. I did not say that we were not discussing their overall games but the key issue has always been goals and that is true of every single thread on the topic.

[The Jitty Slitter]

According to dectech Lampard is the most valuable player on the english team :eek:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/fink_tank/article1593846.ece

[barthez4]

You can't just discount set-pieces though. They are a massively important part of the game.

Lampard's ability at set-pieces is one of his strengths over Scholes and Gerrard. You cannot simply say that they don't count.

If Scholes is so much more clinical than Lampard then he shoould shoot more often. He would score alot more goals.

As is so often the case with you, you want to exclude anything which doesn't help your argument.

Scholes doesn't have the luxury of a stacked midfield that gives him free reign, unlike Lampard. As such, his trips up the field are limited, so it's not that he should shoot more, it's that if he had the freedom to stay in attacking positions more often, he would be able to shoot more. However, he knows that he is needed in a more refined role, and as such, generally plays the distribution game with Carrick rather than a goalscoring one.

[mcnaulty21]

Scholes doesn't have the luxury of a stacked midfield that gives him free reign, unlike Lampard. As such, his trips up the field are limited, so it's not that he should shoot more, it's that if he had the freedom to stay in attacking positions more often, he would be able to shoot more. However, he knows that he is needed in a more refined role, and as such, generally plays the distribution game with Carrick rather than a goalscoring one.
Don't get me wrong, I like Scholes, but the reason (I think) that he doesn't shoot more is because he isn't the best shooter in his own midfield. Yes, Carrick isn't really a shooter, but Ronaldo and Giggs for sure are. Giggs isn't a pure long-distance shooter, but he's still great at splitting defenders and finding shots in the box. And Ronaldo is second in the Prem in goals and is number one for midfielders.

[kent paul]

Frank Lampard may score more goals than Gerrard, but Steven Gerrard has more to his game than Lampard, and that makes him a better alround player than Frank Lampard IMO

[mshankb]

According to dectech Lampard is the most valuable player on the english team :eek:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/fink_tank/article1593846.ece


That may be the worst piece of toss I've ever seen pass for professional journalism.

[Marko]

Very silly question to ask. Lampard isn't even close to Gerrard; he's nowhere near as dynamic, and neither is he versatile like Gerrard is.

Admittedly, Lampard does tend to score more goals (albeit he must have the highest percentage of deflected goals of any footballer known to mankind), but that's the only aspect of the game in which he would be ahead.

[Walter3000]

Goals, and assists, and durability, but hey who cares about production really?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Goals is marginal and thanks to the sheer number of shots Lampard hits. Even then the figure is not as impressive when you remove penalties.
Assists is thanks to Lampard taking all of the set pieces and therefore no indicator on his creativity.
Durability is irrelevant.

But we all knew that, as it is clearly detailed throughout this thread.