Whos better Lampard or Gerrard?

[mcnaulty21]

Neither Gerrard nor Lampard are particularily good set piece takers although Lampard does seem to have got the technique of hammering the ball roughly into a dangerous area down to a tee.


There are very few people I would rather have than Gerrard, or even Lampard, taking a free kick. Now I am very very negative toward Lamps, and I can see his skill on free kicks. Also, they are two of the best corner men IMO.

[Hal SM]

Lampard gets more goals, but I'd prefer Gerrard for his leadership

[leg_breaker]

Neither are that good at free kicks. They have power but little else.

[5_EUROPEAN_CUPS]

Truth be told, they are both shite this season.

I choose Deco.

[Dear_Claudio]

Truth be told, they are both shite this season.

I choose Deco.If Gerrard and Lampard are shite then there are no words to describe Deco. Talk about overrated...

[mshankb]

Truth be told, they are both shite this season.

I choose Deco.


Truth be told, 20 goals.

[mcnaulty21]

Gerrard scored twice today...

[Dear_Claudio]

Gerrard scored twice today...Against Andorra and the team was still shit.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Truth be told, 20 goals.

Take out penalties, look at number of shots and then look at the opposition.

Against Andorra and the team was still shit.

See above.

[cooldude]

Take out penalties, look at number of shots and then look at the opposition.



See above.


Lampard has scored 4 penalties this season but why take out penalties? Perhaps, Lampard is good enough to take penalties for us and Gerrard is not good enough for them.

Lampard 30 appearances 11 goals and 9 assists so far.

Gerrard 30 appearances 5 goals and 2 assists.

No of shots? Why take out no of shots? Even if u dont: Lampard at 87 shots at 46%.Gerrard at 67 shots at 31.3%.

http://home.skysports.com/optastats.aspx?clid=8&hlid=OPTA_Chelsea&cpid=8

http://home.skysports.com/optastats.aspx?clid=14&hlid=OPTA_Liverpool&cpid=8

Take ur pick.

This is just the prem league 'cause Liverpool lost too early in domestic cup competitions to keep count.:D

Please base ur arguments on fact, not opinion.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

As I posted previously (shots indicate shots on target):

In the league:

Lampard has played 30 games and has 11 goals from 40 shots (including three penalties)
Gerrard has played 30 games and has 5 goals from 21 shots
Scholes has played 23 games and has 5 goals from 14 shots

Thanks for providing stats on total shots.

Lampard - 87 (46.0%) or 10.9 shots per goal
Gerrard - 67 (31.3%) or 13.4 shots per goal
Scholes - 21 shots (66.7%) or 4.2 shots per goal

What that means is Scholes is far superior and more clinical. Lampard hits the most shots overall and although his are generally accurate, he needs more shots on target per goal. Gerrard's shooting is less accurate overall but when he does get shots on target he has a higher scoring rate than Lampard.

I discount penalties because including them artificially inflates shooting stats from normal play, which is what we are looking at. I also do not read much into the assist figures, as certain players have the benefit of taking corners/freekicks for their team, which would inflate that figure as well. If we simply look at shooting from outside the area (which is what these debates always centre around) then we have a fair playing field for comparisons.

[cooldude]

As I posted previously (shots indicate shots on target):



Thanks for providing stats on total shots.

Lampard - 87 (46.0%) or 10.9 shots per goal
Gerrard - 67 (31.3%) or 13.4 shots per goal
Scholes - 21 shots (66.7%) or 4.2 shots per goal

What that means is Scholes is far superior and more clinical. Lampard hits the most shots overall and although his are generally accurate, he needs more shots on target per goal. Gerrard's shooting is less accurate overall but when he does get shots on target he has a higher scoring rate than Lampard.

I discount penalties because including them artificially inflates shooting stats from normal play, which is what we are looking at. I also do not read much into the assist figures, as certain players have the benefit of taking corners/freekicks for their team, which would inflate that figure as well. If we simply look at shooting from outside the area (which is what these debates always centre around) then we have a fair playing field for comparisons.

Lampard has several goals form inside the box 'cause he is a great mover of the ball.U discount the set-pieces and penalties? You'd be suprised by Ronaldo's figures then.
But why not include them? Dead ball situations are a definite and important part of the game. As a matter of fact a certain David Beckham became famous for that.

While we are at Scholes, just for fun:

"Great player. Often produces defense spillting passes. This time he split his own defence to perfection" An expert on ESPN Asia on Scholes's pass to a Blackburn player during their 2-1 defeat to Blackburn Rovers last season at Old Trafford..:D:D

[comme]

As I posted previously (shots indicate shots on target):

Thanks for providing stats on total shots.

Lampard - 87 (46.0%) or 10.9 shots per goal
Gerrard - 67 (31.3%) or 13.4 shots per goal
Scholes - 21 shots (66.7%) or 4.2 shots per goal

What that means is Scholes is far superior and more clinical. Lampard hits the most shots overall and although his are generally accurate, he needs more shots on target per goal. Gerrard's shooting is less accurate overall but when he does get shots on target he has a higher scoring rate than Lampard.

I discount penalties because including them artificially inflates shooting stats from normal play, which is what we are looking at. I also do not read much into the assist figures, as certain players have the benefit of taking corners/freekicks for their team, which would inflate that figure as well. If we simply look at shooting from outside the area (which is what these debates always centre around) then we have a fair playing field for comparisons.

You can't just discount set-pieces though. They are a massively important part of the game.

Lampard's ability at set-pieces is one of his strengths over Scholes and Gerrard. You cannot simply say that they don't count.

If Scholes is so much more clinical than Lampard then he shoould shoot more often. He would score alot more goals.

As is so often the case with you, you want to exclude anything which doesn't help your argument.

[Gunner14Kiwi]

Lampard gets more goals, but I'd prefer Gerrard for his leadership

For Chelsea not England.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

You can't just discount set-pieces though. They are a massively important part of the game.

Lampard's ability at set-pieces is one of his strengths over Scholes and Gerrard. You cannot simply say that they don't count.

If Scholes is so much more clinical than Lampard then he shoould shoot more often. He would score alot more goals.

As is so often the case with you, you want to exclude anything which doesn't help your argument.

I certainly can and I have clearly explained the reasoning behind doing so. If you wish to debate all-round games or set pieces (which we were not), then clearly they become a factor. Even then none of that trio can claim to be that good at them (Lampard's corners aside but again, then you must consider a teams ability to convert corners into goal). Had you bothered to read any of this thread or my contributions then you would have realised that Scholes would shoot more often if he was granted the same freedom to do so as Lampard is. You know full well that Scholes is forced to operate from deep in a formation which requires him to contribute to the defensive side of the game (even more so now that Carrick is a regular). This season he has played deeper than ever before and still impressed. You see, I look into an issue and all of the contributing factors before making a decision or debating an issue. It's just a pity that others prefer to ignorantly quote raw figures or make subjective comments (usually based only on aesthetics) without any further analysis. Would you care to join the discussion?

[Walter3000]

When talking about subjective comments, do you not include your never-ending quest to make people believe Frank Lampard and John Terry are shit? Or is it a coincidence that every thread involving them, usually includes you and negative comments about 99.9% of the time?

Im sure if it was possible or even at least logical(it isn't) you would find a way to prove that one match versus Andorra would prove that neither was fit to start for England.

So until your witch hunt stops comments on people being objective or subjective should not be brought up by you.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I have never said that they are shit. I just refuse to hype them into something that they are not.

[Dear_Claudio]

I have never said that they are shit. I just refuse to hype them into something that they are not.Right, John Terry is made to look the best defender in the world by Ferreira, Carvalho, and Del Horno, Geremi, Boulahrouz...:rolleyes:

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Terry is not the best defender in the world. Thanks for proving my previous point though. :)

[cooldude]

Terry is not the best defender in the world. Thanks for proving my previous point though. :)


Who is it then? Base it on fact Teso.