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Postmaster
19 Dec 2006, 09:40 AM
Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but ...
http://www.yanks-abroad.com/content.php?mode=news&id=2546
Newly acquired DC United keeper Jay Nolly remains on display at Scottish powerhouse Celtic, and is giving a good enough impression of himself to stay at Parkhead longer than the initially arranged two-week stay.
Though advertised by MLS as merely a 'training visit', Nolly's agent is working hard to make the Yank available to an offer from the Hoops.
"Yes, Jay is at Celtic," David Baldwin confirmed to YA. "It is a proper trial. Contrary to popular opinion, he is free to go despite the Freddy Adu trade."
"His option was not picked up, and therefore, he would be a free transfer."
DoctorD
19 Dec 2006, 09:44 AM
If Nolly gets picked up by Celtic it will refute any notion that MLS is inferior to European leagues.
human2006
19 Dec 2006, 09:50 AM
A free transfer? Does that mean we'd get nothing for Rimando?
GUTuna
19 Dec 2006, 09:53 AM
European leagues.
MLS is inferior to many European leagues. I just don't happen to think that the SPL is one of them.
Of course, as the end of the article says, there's always the work permit problem.
Postmaster
19 Dec 2006, 09:54 AM
If Nolly gets picked up by Celtic ...
Work permit would appear to make that unlikely. Even if Celtic does not/can not act, his agent's statements give the impression that we probably will never see Nolly in a DC kit. Why be a backup in MLS if you can get playing time at a reasonable club in Europe? DC got less in that trade than it first appeared.
ButlerBob
19 Dec 2006, 09:55 AM
[QUOTE=human2006;10265175]A free transfer? Does that mean we'd get nothing for Rimando?[/QUOTE
I believe that Nick is also out of contract. So both teams really swapped the rites to sign a goal keeper.
Postmaster
19 Dec 2006, 09:57 AM
A free transfer? Does that mean we'd get nothing for Rimando?
Free for Nolly's destination club (i.e., no transfer fee to be paid to MLS). There might be a minor allocation from MLS for DC's loss. Anybody know if that happens when an option is not picked up and if Nolly would be considered sufficiently valuable?
human2006
19 Dec 2006, 09:57 AM
[QUOTE=human2006;10265175]A free transfer? Does that mean we'd get nothing for Rimando?[/QUOTE
I believe that Nick is also out of contract. So both teams really swapped the rites to sign a goal keeper.
Which is like first dibs, basically? Except that we don't really have first dibs?
All this is confusing. :P
Bootsy Collins
19 Dec 2006, 10:00 AM
Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but ...
Yes, it's been discussed in other threads. He's free to go, but my understanding from the previous newspaper columns about the trial is that DC would get $ if Nolly goes. Where that money comes from (Celtic, despite the agent's comments; or the league; or RSL), I dunno.
Lowecifer
19 Dec 2006, 10:06 AM
A free transfer? Does that mean we'd get nothing for Rimando?
Technically, RSL doesn't have Rimando. They have his rights, meaning that if he re-signs with the league, he belongs to them. It's the same thing with Nolly and United.
[edited to say: Looks like it was covered already]
jgildea8
19 Dec 2006, 11:41 AM
I am pretty sure that the league would give us allocation $ if he left.
On the other hand, If he were to stay would he push Perkins for time? I am not sure that I want another keeper battle, but it is nice to have them all on their toes.
Sundevil9
19 Dec 2006, 11:45 AM
I am pretty sure that the league would give us allocation $ if he left.
Like all that allocation money we got for Dema?
jgildea8
19 Dec 2006, 11:49 AM
We did get something for Dema didn't we?
Sundevil9
19 Dec 2006, 12:44 PM
We did get something for Dema didn't we?
Nope.
We later traded Dema's rights along with Kuykendall to NYRB for a partial allocation.
We also got diddly squat for Nellie.
fatbastard
19 Dec 2006, 01:07 PM
I am pretty sure that the league would give us allocation $ if he left.Why would they? I noticed in all the trade releases/stories, everyone took care to say we traded for "the rights to" Jay Nolly for "the rights to" Nick Rimando. If Nolly goes overseas, then we get nothing, until he decides to return to MLS when he sees how much colder European benches are than MLS benches - then, if it's within 3 years or so, we could either sign him, or trade his rights to someone else for a third round draft choice.
Or a bag of balls or stack of OTC or something.
Liverpool_SC
19 Dec 2006, 01:32 PM
If Nolly gets picked up by Celtic it will refute any notion that MLS is inferior to European leagues.
No. It will only mean that Scottish goalkeepers really suck and Celtic is pretty cheap about signing new players (esp squad players). And neither of those points are really earth-shattering.
Usually SPL teams look to Scandinavia for inexpensive, high-quality keepers. But Scandinavian keepers have become so popular that they have pretty much been snapped up.
Also - Nolly might convert well to the Scottish game more than other guys. All the mud, hurly-burly and such would tax more refined goalkeepers who might be better in more optimal conditions.
RayWhitney
19 Dec 2006, 01:35 PM
Or a bag of balls...or something.
:eek:
Something about this is very funny.
Can't quite put a finger on it....
RayWhitney
19 Dec 2006, 01:38 PM
Also - Nolly might convert well to the Scottish game more than other guys. All the mud, hurly-burly and such would tax more refined goalkeepers who might be better in more optimal conditions.
Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding
Winner winner chicken dinner!
This is one of the better posts I have seen (re: goalkeeping) in a looooooong time.
Thanks for the joy.
SavannahFan
19 Dec 2006, 02:35 PM
Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding
Winner winner chicken dinner!
This is one of the better posts I have seen (re: goalkeeping) in a looooooong time.
Thanks for the joy.I agree, IMO the Hoops have a higher opinion of American talent (and how cheap it can be had) after their pre-season tour of the States.
My memory is fuzzy for some reason, and I cannot remember the results of those games, but like I said it seems like this might be a growing trend for Celtic.
For a US player, it is a smart move, lots better visibility than with a second or third tier english side. I have mixed feelings about this, but then again a good backup GK for DC can be had in the upcoming draft.
Liverpool_SC
19 Dec 2006, 02:55 PM
I agree, IMO the Hoops have a higher opinion of American talent (and how cheap it can be had) after their pre-season tour of the States.
My memory is fuzzy for some reason, and I cannot remember the results of those games, but like I said it seems like this might be a growing trend for Celtic.
For a US player, it is a smart move, lots better visibility than with a second or third tier english side. I have mixed feelings about this, but then again a good backup GK for DC can be had in the upcoming draft.
Celtic have always been generous about allowing US players to trial with them. I remember Jamil Walker trialing with them as far back as 2003 (maybe 2004). Ramon Nunez was another such player. These were more training exercises than looking actively at players as transfer targets, but they at least gave them solid runouts with the first team.