Ronaldinho or Ronaldo

[The circle of life 0]

Is ronaldinho just getting way too much attention. in my opinion he is way over rated. i think that he is getting all of the attention, when Ronaldo is about to retire. Ronaldo has worked his way to the top, and shouldnt be shunned just because this young buck can do a crossover.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Ronaldo was better pre-injury but since then he has been a shadow of his former self, despite having a decent scoring record and the rare great night (like at OT). Ronaldinho is currently one of the best players in the world and his style of play coupled with the flashy moves/tricks will always get more attention. Is he overrated? Yes, to a certain extent he is. Compare him to Riquelme. Even when the latter was performing better with more goals/assist, the former still got all the press and attention. He's just that type of player.

[The circle of life 0]

Can't comment against that, that about sums it up. muchos gracias amigo

[Faran]

Ronaldinho is, like David Beckham in certain ways, a very suitable "trademark" figure. He has a distinctive look, smile, attitude, style, etc. He's really entertaining and well especially at the club rather than national level these players are in large part entertainers. So in certain ways he is overrated imo. I think there were better dribblers-Ronaldinho did all the stepovers and fancy things but examples even of his greatest dribbles are often 1 on 1's. He is still the best at 20 yd free kicks though ;) I think Juninho is only better at longer range ones. And ronaldinho is good at lots of things but I think Ronaldo at his prime was better. He was faster, he was just terrifying to watch approaching the opponent's box and then goal.

[The circle of life 0]

i guess that is a part of it too, there isn't many players out there that have his smile or attitude.

[super_force redded]

Yes, Ronaldinho is overrated. Ronaldo is being disdained because he is fat.

Is ronaldinho just getting way too much attention. in my opinion he is way over rated. i think that he is getting all of the attention, when Ronaldo is about to retire. Ronaldo has worked his way to the top, and shouldnt be shunned just because this young buck can do a crossover.

[Tribune]

Yes, Ronaldinho is overrated. Ronaldo is being disdained because he is fat.


No matter you say, the fact is that Ronaldinho managed to win 2 titles in a row and CL for his club. Many have failed to do this, Ronaldo included. In fact, in his 3 seasons at Barca, Ronaldinho has done more for his club than Ronaldo for any of his clubs over his entire career.

[The circle of life 0]

No matter you say, the fact is that Ronaldinho managed to win 2 titles in a row and CL for his club. Many have failed to do this, Ronaldo included. In fact, in his 3 seasons at Barca, Ronaldinho has done more for his club than Ronaldo for any of his clubs over his entire career.

MAybe he was just the missing peice of Barc. puzzle?????????

[Tribune]

MAybe he was just the missing peice of Barc. puzzle?????????

Well, in that case, it was quite a big piece since before him Barca did not even managed to qualify in CL.

And do tell me, why Ronaldo failed to win the title with the same core of players which will become champions immediately after him, when he was replaced by Rivaldo ?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Ronaldinho was good but let's not forget about what Davids did during his brief stint. He was the final piece of the 'Barc. puzzle'.

[Heinz]

I pick Ronaldo in his prime time over Ronaldinho :D

[Tribune]

I pick Ronaldo in his prime time over Ronaldinho :D

Ronaldo is rated so highly for what he did at that time because he was what the MTV-generation wants to see in a player. He was flashy and very spectacular. He was a goal-scoring machine, an exceptional dribbler, who relied on great speed and strength, to destroy defenses with ease. Unfortunately, his style had a BIG flaw which, because Ronaldo was so spectacular, went unnoticed. Yes, Ronaldo was a joy to watch. But those who have an orgasm watching the goals against Compostela or Valencia overlook that PSV, Barcelona and Internazionale, ALL failed to win the title despite Ronaldo playing his best football.
What was the problem ?
The problem lies in the fact that Ronaldo in his prime was the best attacker ever, but not the best attacking player ever. It's a difference.
Ronaldo style was based solely on individual brilliance, mainly his exceptional dribbling skills doubled by one of the best finishings in the game. A player like Pele or Maradona made their teams better, Ronaldo was a one-man attack. His supporters talk how he scored maradonian goals, how he destroyed defenses with ease and so on. He did that. But his style consisted mainly of beating defenders on his own, solve everything on his own. He may have done it a lot of times and he "wow-ed" us, as his fans say. But there were always several games when Ronaldo did not manage to break the opposing defense, because, no matter how good you are, it's impossible to do it every time - and his teams lost points against those opponents. Practically, Ronaldo was very one-dimensional and this seriously limited his options. And that is why his teams failed to win their leagues most of the time. Not to mention that his style based mainly on running at defenders made him more vulnerable.

[Alex_1]

Ronaldo is rated so highly for what he did at that time because he was what the MTV-generation wants to see in a player. He was flashy and very spectacular. He was a goal-scoring machine, an exceptional dribbler, who relied on great speed and strength, to destroy defenses with ease. Unfortunately, his style had a BIG flaw which, because Ronaldo was so spectacular, went unnoticed. Yes, Ronaldo was a joy to watch. But those who have an orgasm watching the goals against Compostela or Valencia overlook that PSV, Barcelona and Internazionale, ALL failed to win the title despite Ronaldo playing his best football.
What was the problem ?
The problem lies in the fact that Ronaldo in his prime was the best attacker ever, but not the best attacking player ever. It's a difference.

And there's a big, gigantic problem with this analysis when compared to Ronaldinho Gaucho... who failed to win anything when he was at PSG which for some reason, you didn't seem to mention. Odd too... I guess because it didn't happen in Europe, it doesn't matter to some. But Ronaldinho and Ronaldinho Gaucho also have state league titles in Brasil but I believe they also have something else in common - neither won the Brasileiro. Ronaldinho went to Europe at a younger age than Ronaldinho Gaucho.

But these aren't the big holes in the analysis that I'm referring to. I'm talking about the fact that there are 11 men on the field, and it isn't always the brilliance of 1 individual that can make a team march on to the title. Ronaldinho was a fantastic forward who was terrifying to defenses - speed, power, fantastic. But Ronaldinho was only one individual - he wasn't a playmaker and maybe his teams didn't have enough of the overall talent to make it to that final step (except for his first year in Madrid). He was also robbed with his injuries, and who knows what he could have done with Inter Milan. Meanwhile Ronaldinho Gaucho is a fantastic, more versatile player. But then again, even using your example, a lot of good having a playmaker is if he's surrounded by above average mediocrity, or players that aren't quite good enough to compete with champion caliber clubs. Case & point - his time at PSG. There is a good 3, 4 year period in Ronaldinho Gaucho's career from 2002 until he joined Barcelona in which he didn't win anything.

Ronaldinho Gaucho has won some club titles, and he is a major, major force for Barcelona. His team is still high-up in the tables even though they're missing Samuel Eto'O and another player they came to heavily rely on, Lionel Messi. But Barcelona also had a terrific collection of talent that compliments one another too (Deco, Marquez, Ludovic, Iniesta, Puyol, etc.), which gives them that extra bit that they need to win the title. Barcelona isn't winning just because of Ronaldinho Gaucho. He's heavily helping them do that, and they're far better because of him, but he's not the only reason they're winning - just like Ronaldinho wasn't the only reason why several of his clubs failed to lift the league trophy despite being a magnificent player. Actually... Ronaldinho Gaucho's first glory in Europe happened just this year with the champions league - Ronaldinho had actually won a few cups in Europe before, not the Champions League, but he'd at least won something. So I think the best thing to say is that Ronaldinho Gaucho has won more in Spain than Ronaldinho has. :cool:

At the end of the day, they are different types of players. I'd actually liken Ronaldinho Gaucho more to Rivaldo, who was also a more versatile player that could slide between the forward and playmaker roles for club & country. But one thing's for certain - when it comes to performances for Brasil, I don't think Ronaldinho Gaucho holds a candle to either Ronaldinho OR Rivaldo. But both Ronaldinho and Ronaldinho Gaucho were/are terrific players in their own right who have lifted champions trophies together and against one another - I like both of them.

[Ombak]

Ronaldo was a one-man attack. His supporters talk how he scored maradonian goals, how he destroyed defenses with ease and so on. He did that. But his style consisted mainly of beating defenders on his own, solve everything on his own. ... Practically, Ronaldo was very one-dimensional and this seriously limited his options.Yeah, I know right? I mean, he had speed, strength, dribbling ability and a good shot. Nothing more.

His passing sucked. His positioning was horrible. His off-the-ball runs were comical. The only way he could score was by getting the ball in midfield and charging like a bull down the field. And forget anyone else on his team scoring.

It's a good thing he was the only offensive player around worth calling up for Brazil otherwise we would've been in trouble. Can you imagine if he were partnered with a notoriously selfish forward? We'd never score then! And sure, he scored 15 World Cup goals, but what else did he do for us.

I for one can't think of anything...















Do I need the sarcasm tags or is it clear enough

[Tribune]

Yeah, I know right? I mean, he had speed, strength, dribbling ability and a good shot. Nothing more.

His passing sucked. His positioning was horrible. His off-the-ball runs were comical. The only way he could score was by getting the ball in midfield and charging like a bull down the field. And forget anyone else on his team scoring.

It's a good thing he was the only offensive player around worth calling up for Brazil otherwise we would've been in trouble. Can you imagine if he were partnered with a notoriously selfish forward? We'd never score then! And sure, he scored 15 World Cup goals, but what else did he do for us.

I for one can't think of anything...



Do I need the sarcasm tags or is it clear enough


You also forget that the major success of Ronaldo came at international tournament which span over very short limited periods of time. At club level, I can think of at least 5 other players only from his contemporaries who were more important to their teams.

Ronnie is your typical sprinter, he can do that 1000m sprint in record time. No one would argue that fact, but what has he done over the long-run of a full season? it's like asking him to take part in a 2400m race and he will go ahead at time but doesn't or isn't allowed to complete his race. Something just happens to pop-up and call it bad luck, call it the "why me" syndrom. The fact is the following are some of the excuses:
"somebody injured me during the game"
"I have to fly somewhere so I can hookup with my new gf"
"I accidentally dropped something heavy on my foot, ooooooops clumsy me"
"I like food!!"

Besides this, a particularity of Ronaldo's career is that his team were always compelled to play with only one striker when they had him, either they want this or not.
At PSV, he was the only striker.
At Barcelona, he was the only striker.
In 1998, only, he partnershiped for a while Zamorano and Bebeto (at the WC).
At the WC from 2002, he was the only striker.
At Real Madrid, Raul had to be pulled back in order to make Ronaldo the only striker. The combination proved to be disastruous.
Now the Real Madrid fans are crying that Ronaldo can't play with Van Nistelrooy.

And, btw, I don't understand your sarcasm. I don't think we are compelled to have the same opinion, nor that each of us has to harass the other if we disagree on an issue.


And there's a big, gigantic problem with this analysis when compared to Ronaldinho Gaucho... who failed to win anything when he was at PSG which for some reason, you didn't seem to mention. Odd too

Oh, that's correct. Ronaldo also failed to win the title for PSV. I did not mention because I compared only their periods in the same league.
Of course that at international level Ronaldo beats Ronaldinho hands down. Unfortunately for him, international games amount only aprox 10% of a top player's career.
About the collection of talent you mention, please. Ludovic Giuly ??? :eek: Iniesta was not even a first team starter until this season. Rafael Marquez ? Who would have considered this guy a great player when he was at Monaco ? Only Deco and Puyol can be taken into consideration.
And, if Ronaldinho had so talented teammates, Ronaldo did not ? In the 1996/1997 season he had around him the same core of players which will win La Liga twice in a row with Rivaldo.
At Real Madrid, between 2002 and 2005, he had the greatest collection of talent of the last decade. Yeah, he had a mediocre defense after 2003, but so had Ronaldinho over the last 3 seasons. Except for Puyol, who were the others at the back ? Beletti ? Silvinho ? Van Bronkhorst ? Even Marquez is so and so.

And, btw, when I made my comment about Ronaldo's weakness, I had in mind mainly a comparison with Pele/Maradona/Cruyff, not particularly with Ronaldinho.

[Ombak]

Besides this, a particularity of Ronaldo's career is that his team were always compelled to play with only one striker when they had him, either they want this or not.
At PSV, he was the only striker.
At Barcelona, he was the only striker.
In 1998, only, he partnershiped for a while Zamorano and Bebeto (at the WC).
At the WC from 2002, he was the only striker.
At Real Madrid, Raul had to be pulled back in order to make Ronaldo the only striker. The combination proved to be disastruous.
Now the Real Madrid fans are crying that Ronaldo can't play with Van Nistelrooy.It's not his fault that teams choose to use him as a lone striker.

You really missed it completely didn't you?

Do you have any idea who Ronaldo played with in 1997 for Brazil?

Ronaldo plays best with other forwards, not alone. He's not a lone striker.

Care to figure out how many assists he has in World Cups?

And, since you have no clue why I was being so sarcastic let me say it: Ronaldo + Romário = the best soccer Brazil has played in the post-Zico era. Ronaldo thrived with another great striker next to him. Ronaldo's positioning is exceptional, so are his runs (positioning-wise, not just speed-wise) and his passing was pretty damn good too.

Yes, Ronaldo never won a national title in those pre-injury years, but he did win some pretty good titles in his career and he is not by any means one dimensional as you suggested.

[Tribune]

It's not his fault that teams choose to use him as a lone striker.

You really missed it completely didn't you?

Do you have any idea who Ronaldo played with in 1997 for Brazil?

Ronaldo plays best with other forwards, not alone. He's not a lone striker.

Care to figure out how many assists he has in World Cups?

And, since you have no clue why I was being so sarcastic let me say it: Ronaldo + Romário = the best soccer Brazil has played in the post-Zico era. Ronaldo thrived with another great striker next to him. Ronaldo's positioning is exceptional, so are his runs (positioning-wise, not just speed-wise) and his passing was pretty damn good too.

Yes, Ronaldo never won a national title in those pre-injury years, but he did win some pretty good titles in his career and he is not by any means one dimensional as you suggested.

I disagree. Sorry. I stated my opinion and I'm not really interested in starting an argument with you since I don't join internet forums to wage online wars over such insignificant issues.
When I make an assertion, I usually like to back it up since the forums are full of people who never bother to do that. But it seems I was wrong and it's a mistake I will not make again, since it only warrants sarcasms from the player's fans.

[leg_breaker]

Ronnie is your typical sprinter, he can do that 1000m sprint in record time.

He must be fast if he considers 1000m a sprint!

[GringoTex]

Compare him to Riquelme.


I find myelf sharing the same little boat with you?

I agree- Riquelme was the best player in the world during 2005-2006.

[Ombak]

When I make an assertion, I usually like to back it up since the forums are full of people who never bother to do that. But it seems I was wrong and it's a mistake I will not make again, since it only warrants sarcasms from the player's fans.I didn't see any backing up of the assertion that Ronaldo is (nevermind was) a one-dimensional forward.

Sure, he didn't win many titles at his clubs, but that in and of itself does not support your argument.

As for not wanting to argue this, maybe you should have done a better job making your point. You can't expect to spout nonsense and not be called on it.

Just to make it clear: Ronaldo was not a one-man attack who tried to do everything on his own and relied on nothing but speed and strength. He was not one-dimensional. He was an exceptionally gifted striker in many areas, not just speed and finishing, but positioning as well and a pretty damn good passer.