Ronaldinho or Ronaldo

[German Ham]

Now you're just assuming they will say that. Unless we make a worldwide poll that everyone participate in, or else we'll never know.
Clearly I am too young to know who Gerd Muller is, so in my heart there's only Ronaldo. So in my opinion, Ronaldo is the king of Strikers.
I don't care about stats, Ronaldo made me jump out of my seat when he played, and I think that's all it matters in soccer.
You can be playing great football even if you lose the game.

So you're basically admitting that your opinion of Ronaldo as the best isn't even valid, because you don't know anything about the older strikers like Muller?

[Air Fly]

Muller was a great poacher, but he has nothing on Ronaldo.

Truth be told.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Gerd Müller was more than just a poacher but regardless, his goal scoring blows Ronaldo out of the water and scoring goals is the fundamental role of a striker. Der Bomber was an exceptional striker and probably the greatest ever seen.

[Moishe]

Gerd Müller was more than just a poacher but regardless, his goal scoring blows Ronaldo out of the water and scoring goals is the fundamental role of a striker. Der Bomber was an exceptional striker and probably the greatest ever seen.

Agreed on the Muller comment. Nothing against Ronaldo as he has proven himself and to me has had more of an overall impact as a player than Ronaldinho. Interesting side note on Muller. After we moved to the states, we had a home in Miami in which our neighbors were from Germany. Turns out the family were either related or close friends of Muller and he would be over regularly while he played for the Strikers. Due to this luck I had the chance to kick about with Der Bomber on quite a few occasions. A real nice guy that at the time I had no idea how great he was.

[621380]

Muller was a great poacher, but he has nothing on Ronaldo.

Truth be told.

there are categorys ronaldo has nothing on müller...puskas , eusebio , van basten are olso famous strikers where have many fans....

example where müller is miles ahead of ronaldo..

eurochampionscup...
müller won 3 times the eurochampionscup with bayern munich , scoring in 35 games 35 goals..he was between 1972/73-1976/77 in 5 seasons 4 times topscorer in eurochampionscup and second ranked 1975/76 where a wrongfully reacalled goal in the final against st. eitienne has cost him a first place tie with gladbach player jupp heynckes..müllers 35 goals in 35 games confirm a goal per game ratio of 1.00...the best goal per game ratio in eurochampionscup/championleaque history.....

here are videohighlights of bayern munichs final win 1974 against athletico madrid 4:0 and müllers impact in a big game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRKopwXjuHQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arMgakAnXTU

ronaldo isnt even in the top 100 players in eurochampionscup/leaque history..16 goals in 42 games???how many finals ????how many what??..

müller has scored more good or excellent goals in 35 games than ronaldo in 42 games..ignoring his far superer strike rate and his far superer scoring crucial goals rate than ronaldo.....and the funny thing is that müller in about 30% of this games has played particulare midfielder,supportstriker...he has played in the 1975 final against leeds united midfielder and was part of the build up of franz roths goal..he did score the second goal of the match , bayern won 2:0.....


if you still think müller has nothing on ronaldo i tell you more facts where müllers impact easly beat ronaldo....

i repeat again there are categorys where ronaldo clearly beat müller..but pointing out müller has nothing on ronaldo is a big time joke...

[naruto16]

So you're basically admitting that your opinion of Ronaldo as the best isn't even valid, because you don't know anything about the older strikers like Muller?

My opinion is valid, but not for you guys.
There's no right or wrong answer, I am posting here simply to tell the world of MY opinion, I am not trying to change how you guys think.

Anyway, ya I haven't heard/watched much about Muller. I don't even know his nationality! lol :eek:

The best thing about Ronaldo is watching him take on the defense by himself and scoring. I know this is not the best of soccer but it's fun to watch! And that is, to me, what it's all about.

I have no valid point really, just my little heart speaking out loud. Soccer isn't only about stats or trophies, I believe there's more to it.

[The Sun King]

And there's a big, gigantic problem with this analysis when compared to Ronaldinho Gaucho... who failed to win anything when he was at PSG which for some reason, you didn't seem to mention. Odd too... I guess because it didn't happen in Europe, it doesn't matter to some. But Ronaldinho and Ronaldinho Gaucho also have state league titles in Brasil but I believe they also have something else in common - neither won the Brasileiro. Ronaldinho went to Europe at a younger age than Ronaldinho Gaucho.

But these aren't the big holes in the analysis that I'm referring to. I'm talking about the fact that there are 11 men on the field, and it isn't always the brilliance of 1 individual that can make a team march on to the title. Ronaldinho was a fantastic forward who was terrifying to defenses - speed, power, fantastic. But Ronaldinho was only one individual - he wasn't a playmaker and maybe his teams didn't have enough of the overall talent to make it to that final step (except for his first year in Madrid). He was also robbed with his injuries, and who knows what he could have done with Inter Milan. Meanwhile Ronaldinho Gaucho is a fantastic, more versatile player. But then again, even using your example, a lot of good having a playmaker is if he's surrounded by above average mediocrity, or players that aren't quite good enough to compete with champion caliber clubs. Case & point - his time at PSG. There is a good 3, 4 year period in Ronaldinho Gaucho's career from 2002 until he joined Barcelona in which he didn't win anything.

Ronaldinho Gaucho has won some club titles, and he is a major, major force for Barcelona. His team is still high-up in the tables even though they're missing Samuel Eto'O and another player they came to heavily rely on, Lionel Messi. But Barcelona also had a terrific collection of talent that compliments one another too (Deco, Marquez, Ludovic, Iniesta, Puyol, etc.), which gives them that extra bit that they need to win the title. Barcelona isn't winning just because of Ronaldinho Gaucho. He's heavily helping them do that, and they're far better because of him, but he's not the only reason they're winning - just like Ronaldinho wasn't the only reason why several of his clubs failed to lift the league trophy despite being a magnificent player. Actually... Ronaldinho Gaucho's first glory in Europe happened just this year with the champions league - Ronaldinho had actually won a few cups in Europe before, not the Champions League, but he'd at least won something. So I think the best thing to say is that Ronaldinho Gaucho has won more in Spain than Ronaldinho has. :cool:

At the end of the day, they are different types of players. I'd actually liken Ronaldinho Gaucho more to Rivaldo, who was also a more versatile player that could slide between the forward and playmaker roles for club & country. But one thing's for certain - when it comes to performances for Brasil, I don't think Ronaldinho Gaucho holds a candle to either Ronaldinho OR Rivaldo. But both Ronaldinho and Ronaldinho Gaucho were/are terrific players in their own right who have lifted champions trophies together and against one another - I like both of them.

HUH? Ronaldo like it or not, has won more at club level and NT than Maradona ;). And unlike Maradona, R9 did make the NT at age 17, led his team to a WC final at age 21...and won his second WC at age 25.

Maradona, didn't make the WC in 78, was rubbish in 82, and won it 86. He did manage to reach the 90 WC final though...I'm not even going to mention what took place in 94 :( .

Ronaldo won 3 Trophies with Barca in 97, lost liga by what a point or two...and he was robbed in Italia by the mafia that was Juve. However, he did manage to win a UEFA Cup in his first season with Inter.

[Alex_1]

HUH? Ronaldo like it or not, has won more at club level and NT than Maradona ;). And unlike Maradona, R9 did make the NT at age 17, led his team to a WC final at age 21...and won his second WC at age 25.

Maradona, didn't make the WC in 78, was rubbish in 82, and won it 86. He did manage to reach the 90 WC final though...I'm not even going to mention what took place in 94 :( .

Ronaldo won 3 Trophies with Barca in 97, lost liga by what a point or two...and he was robbed in Italia by the mafia that was Juve. However, he did manage to win a UEFA Cup in his first season with Inter.

I have absolutely no idea what you're confused about. Or why you even mentioned Diego Maradona. I wasn't comparing Ronaldinho to Diego Maradona. I was commenting on an IMO erroneous attempt to compare Ronaldinho Gaucho to Ronaldinho. And the even more absurd notion that Ronaldinho was one-dimensional...

But to clear up a few things...

Ronaldinho made the USA 94 roster, but didn't participate. In France 98, Ronaldo played well before the convusions but IMO one of the main cogs that was at the very least just as important to that team was actually Rivaldo. Romario went down injured before the tournament, along with Juninho Paulista. Though Romario might have been healed, he was still not there and a lot was placed on Rivaldo's shoulders as well.

[Twix]

Ronaldinho made the USA 94 roster

Don't mean to be such a pedantic so and so but you meant Ronaldo, right?

[The Sun King]

I have absolutely no idea what you're confused about. Or why you even mentioned Diego Maradona. I wasn't comparing Ronaldinho to Diego Maradona. I was commenting on an IMO erroneous attempt to compare Ronaldinho Gaucho to Ronaldinho. And the even more absurd notion that Ronaldinho was one-dimensional...

But to clear up a few things...

Ronaldinho made the USA 94 roster, but didn't participate. In France 98, Ronaldo played well before the convusions but IMO one of the main cogs that was at the very least just as important to that team was actually Rivaldo. Romario went down injured before the tournament, along with Juninho Paulista. Though Romario might have been healed, he was still not there and a lot was placed on Rivaldo's shoulders as well.


LOL my bad bro. Quoted the wrong POST and poster :D.
Someone claimed 'RONALDO was the greatest attacker' but not the best attacking playing or something btw those lines. Claiming he didn't make his team BETTER like Maradona and Pele did...and just went ahead and pointed out to him how R9 has won more titles than Maradona at club and NT team level :D
again my apologies :D...wrong user

[The Sun King]

Don't mean to be such a pedantic so and so but you meant Ronaldo, right?


RONALDO - was known as RONALDINHO (little Ronaldo) back in 94 - as he grew old he became RONALDO!

[Twix]

RONALDO - was known as RONALDINHO (little Ronaldo) back in 94 - as he grew old he became RONALDO!
Well, I guess that makes sense. Cheers.

[MavadoDribblez]

Well, I guess that makes sense. Cheers.

Yeah, lol I think Ronaldinho was born in 1980, so if he did make the roster at USA 94, he would have been 14....quite a remarkable feat even for a player of his talent. It was Ronaldo (R9).
You know what? It would have been amazing to watch Romario and Ronaldo team up at France 98, too bad about the injury to Romario.

[Alex_1]

Don't mean to be such a pedantic so and so but you meant Ronaldo, right?

Just an old habit. He was originally called Ronaldinho, even for a short time when it was both he and Ronaldinho Gaucho. But now it's just more common to see Ronaldo and then Ronaldinho (of Barcelona), but I'm just so used to calling them Ronaldinho and Ronaldinho Gaucho. Sort of like there is Juninho Paulista to me and Juninho Pernambucano. When it was the two of them, sometimes it was Juninho and Juninho Pernambucano. Gaucho, Paulista and Pernambucano, Baiano, etc. suffixes more represent where they are from. Marcelinho Paraiba vs. Marcelinho Carioca, etc. etc.

LOL my bad bro. Quoted the wrong POST and poster :D.
Someone claimed 'RONALDO was the greatest attacker' but not the best attacking playing or something btw those lines. Claiming he didn't make his team BETTER like Maradona and Pele did...and just went ahead and pointed out to him how R9 has won more titles than Maradona at club and NT team level :D
again my apologies ...wrong user

No problem! :) I just thought it was sort of strange because I think we agreed.

Yeah, lol I think Ronaldinho was born in 1980, so if he did make the roster at USA 94, he would have been 14....quite a remarkable feat even for a player of his talent. It was Ronaldo (R9).
You know what? It would have been amazing to watch Romario and Ronaldo team up at France 98, too bad about the injury to Romario.

It woudl have been, but Romario wasn't really endearing himselves to the managers and his teammates at the time. I think he'd recovered from the injury in time for the tournament but there was enough of an excuse to keep him off the roster. And ni that cup Zagallo, much like Perreira after him, in the end didn't make one of the ultimate decisions regarding Ronaldo.

[YoungR10]

I think an Henry - Ronaldo comparison is better