Ronaldinho or Ronaldo

[TKORL]

Ronaldo is not the best, far from it, and you cannot simple cherry pick the few years he had pre-injury.
Cherry pick from where? He's been outstanding for most of his career.

Of course, unless you have a better counterexample..

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Cherry pick from where? He's been outstanding for most of his career.

Of course, unless you have a better counterexample..

He's been good for most of his career but the only reason he gets the praise and comments he does is because of his pre-injury form. Looking over his entire career and he is clearly not the best ever, as you well know.

[O Fenômeno]

Ronaldo= Top 10 Based On Pre-injury Status Alone

[naruto16]

seriously... other than Pele and Maradona... which other striker is better than Ronaldo?

[dannytoone]

seriously... other than Pele and Maradona... which other striker is better than Ronaldo?

I just ran some numbers of appearances, both pro and national team, goals, and goal ratio.
I consider all of these strikers to be all-time world class, along with Ronaldo.


Ronaldo 403(289) .71

Eusebio 373(343) .91
Muller, 595(511) .85
Romario, 519(369) .71
Sanchez, 829(506) .61
Batistuta, 737(571) .77
Van Basten, 338(280) .82

I would really only rank Ronaldo ahead of Sanchez and Batistuta, for different reasons though. I rank him higher than Batistuta because Batistuta rarely set up his own goals, he was very much a targetman, whereas Ronaldo created his own chances. And I rate him higher than Hugo Sanchez because I have had three Mexican girls cheat on me and now I'm racist.

Oh, and Maradona wasn't a striker, and Pele wasn't really a striker, but close enough.

[Koby7STAR]

Ronaldo played really well post injury in his first full season back with Real Madrid for number 11.

[naruto16]

And I rate him higher than Hugo Sanchez because I have had three Mexican girls cheat on me and now I'm racist.

:eek:
LOL

I guess it's hard to tell who's the best in anything in soccer... stats say so little(for me) because soccer is a very complicated and emotional game~ Therefore, I prefer to rank players with my gut feeling. I am not saying you guys should do the same, but this is what I do, right or not.

anyway back on topic...

Ronaldinho is better than Ronaldo in playmaking!
Ronaldo is better than Ronaldinho as a striker!

Who's the better player? Can't compare.

[Koby7STAR]

two different players playing two defferent positions, it is always going to be had to caompae, maybe someone like Robimho or Henry would be a better comparison,

[TKORL]

He's been good for most of his career but the only reason he gets the praise and comments he does is because of his pre-injury form. Looking over his entire career and he is clearly not the best ever, as you well know.
He was top scorer at the WC after his injury, despite being about 45 hamburgers overweight, not to mention, post injury he has a total of 11 WC goals, has won the Pichichi, and turned Milan's season around thanks to his weighty presence.



But of course, if you have a counterexample of a suprerior striker...

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I don't need to because I am clearly correct. If you honestly believe that Ronaldo is the greatest striker even then I'll leave you to your ignorance.

[Air Fly]

Ronaldo is of course the greatest striker ever.

8 years of top flight football (3 years robbed of his prime due to injury or else we wouldn't have this discussion) Has won everything in football except the CL which is currently his #1 aim. He's in great shape and still playing, still better than 90% of the strikers today.

[TKORL]

I don't need to because I am clearly correct. If you honestly believe that Ronaldo is the greatest striker even then I'll leave you to your ignorance.
As expected, you refuse to back up your claims, because you are "clearly correct".

If you were confident that Ronaldo is not the best ever, you should have no trouble naming superior strikers who are clearly better. Since you have shown that you cannot string together a coherent argument using logic and evidence, your opinion counts for little in this debate.

As a wiser man than myself once said, you don't know jack.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Except of course that I have already listed one such striker, rendering your previous post irrelevant. I don't really care if he finished top scorer in the 2002 World Cup (post injury) or if he currently holds the overall top scorer record by virtue of how many games he has played in the competition. I also don't care that he has two Pichichi trophies. I care even less about your outlandish claims that he turned Milan's season around. I don't care because he is clearly not the best striker of his generation, let alone all-time. The thing is had you read my posts you would have realised that I stated he was the best striker of our generation pre-injury but when you take his entire career into consideration (which we must do) then I feel that while he is definitely in the top 10 and probably top 5, he is not the best. Not a slight on Ronaldo by any means but simply the truth. Anyone who denies that is guilty of allowing his pre-injury years to blind them.

[comme]

The thing is had you read my posts you would have realised that I stated he was the best striker of our generation pre-injury but when you take his entire career into consideration (which we must do) then I feel that while he is definitely in the top 10 and probably top 5, he is not the best. Not a slight on Ronaldo by any means but simply the truth.

Yet again you make the mistake of confusing your own opinion with "truth" and "fact", while at the same time acting in the identical pompous manner.

Your thoughts are not facts or truths!

[Teso Dos Bichos]

If you took a group of knowledgable football fans and asked them whether Ronaldo was the greatest striker of all-time, the vast majority would say no. If you then asked whether he was the greatest of our generation the vast majority would give the same answer, although the proportion of those saying no would decrease. Therefore stating that Ronaldo is not the greatest striker of all-time is pretty much a given, as countless official polls and discussions will only serve to back that statement up. Whether he is the best of our generation will create a healthy debate, obviously centering around his injury problems, but I would still say no and that is the truth, my truth.

What is your view on Ronaldo in relation to all-time, our generation and his injury?

[German Ham]

seriously... other than Pele and Maradona... which other striker is better than Ronaldo?

Ever heard of Gerd Muller?


But anyway, I definetly believe that Ronaldo in his prime was a better player than Ronaldinho. Ronaldinho is an immensely talented and great player, but his flashiness and nationality is what overrates him. If he was less flashy but still produced the same results, he'd be considered a very good player but not the best in the world like many tend to think of him as. And I also think his being Brazilian overrates him a bit... as the media is always looking for the next big Brazilian star, and the media coverage of their "next big Brazilian" is constant and unyielding when they find one.. Ronaldinho is among the top 5 midfielders in the world but I wouldn't rate him #1.


Out of curiousity though... what exactly makes his image so marketable? I mean, I've seen interviews of him and stuff and he seems like a great guy and all, but he has to be one of the ugliest people in the game! I mean he seriously does resemble a donkey, and that's not racist at all because the man ACTUALLY DOES look like a donkey!

[comme]

If you took a group of knowledgable football fans and asked them whether Ronaldo was the greatest striker of all-time, the vast majority would say no. If you then asked whether he was the greatest of our generation the vast majority would give the same answer, although the proportion of those saying no would decrease. Therefore stating that Ronaldo is not the greatest striker of all-time is pretty much a given, as countless official polls and discussions will only serve to back that statement up.

These are opinions.

That an opinion may be widely held does not make it more or less "truthful" or factual. For thousands of years the vast majority of people believed that the earth was flat. That did not make it true.

Whether he is the best of our generation will create a healthy debate, obviously centering around his injury problems, but I would still say no and that is the truth, my truth?

Your opinion. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion. This website is based upon it. Yet no matter how strongly felt it is still only an opinion.

What is your view on Ronaldo in relation to all-time, our generation and his injury?

Clearly he was, prior to injury, a phenomenon. Yet his evolution as a player post-injury was remarkable and he remains among the most dangerous forwards in world football.

Of our generation I consider him to be clearly number one. Head and shoulders above the competition. In my eyes none of his competitors can combine the ability with the accomplishments in the way Ronaldo does.

Of all time, he stands right up there. Whether he is number one or not, is a matter of personal preference. I could easily make the case that he is the greatest. Yet, the claims of Puskas, Muller, Eusebio, Van Basten (plus numerous others) are all very strong as well.

[Koby7STAR]

Ronaldo pre injury was in a way a prototype for the players for the next generation or future and as a result we now see players similar to Ronaldo but clearly obviously not as good, but there are players who will copy skills that Ronaldo has done.

[Air Fly]

People who try to belittle Ronaldo's greatness always mention that he only had 2 years of top flight football and wasn't consistent. I can easily disapprove that myth, how? I'll ask question, did Ronaldo's career start with Barcelona and Inter Milan? NO, but some people assume that and forget that he played for Brazil then moved to Holland playing remarkable football.

Some would then try to belittle that and say well Holland and Brazil doesn't compare to Spain and Italy defensively...Well that claim is simply moot and just an opinion because Ronaldo carried that same form with PSV to spain and italy and terrorized their defense...not to mention had similar goal ratio. So what is the next excuse? NOTHING. Lots of people also tend to forget his time with the Brazilian team pre-injury. See where i'm going with this, fact is Ronaldo had probably 4-5 years of legendary football performance-wise, got robbed of 3 years of his prime, came back and regained his spot once again as the best in the world.

Personally, what he has accomplished in this short-time of his career makes him the greatest in my book...He's the definition of a true striker, simply the greatest of them all. Thats my opinion and i'd gladly live and die with it.

[naruto16]

If you took a group of knowledgable football fans and asked them whether Ronaldo was the greatest striker of all-time, the vast majority would say no. If you then asked whether he was the greatest of our generation the vast majority would give the same answer, although the proportion of those saying no would decrease. Therefore stating that Ronaldo is not the greatest striker of all-time is pretty much a given, as countless official polls and discussions will only serve to back that statement up. Whether he is the best of our generation will create a healthy debate, obviously centering around his injury problems, but I would still say no and that is the truth, my truth.

What is your view on Ronaldo in relation to all-time, our generation and his injury?

Now you're just assuming they will say that. Unless we make a worldwide poll that everyone participate in, or else we'll never know.
Clearly I am too young to know who Gerd Muller is, so in my heart there's only Ronaldo. So in my opinion, Ronaldo is the king of Strikers.
I don't care about stats, Ronaldo made me jump out of my seat when he played, and I think that's all it matters in soccer.
You can be playing great football even if you lose the game.