Ronaldinho or Ronaldo

[Tribune]

I didn't see any backing up of the assertion that Ronaldo is (nevermind was) a one-dimensional forward.

Sure, he didn't win many titles at his clubs, but that in and of itself does not support your argument.

As for not wanting to argue this, maybe you should have done a better job making your point. You can't expect to spout nonsense and not be called on it.

Just to make it clear: Ronaldo was not a one-man attack who tried to do everything on his own and relied on nothing but speed and strength. He was not one-dimensional. He was an exceptionally gifted striker in many areas, not just speed and finishing, but positioning as well and a pretty damn good passer.

I don't see either a better backing-up of your assertion that Ronaldo was not one-dimensional. In fact, your post is less argumented than mine. Ronaldo "was not a one-man attack", he "was not one-dimensional", "he was an exceptionally gifted striker", "he had good positioning and good passing".
That's all. Brilliant argumentation, indeed.

As for not wanting to argue this, maybe you should have done a better job making your point. You can't expect to spout nonsense and not be called on it.

Of course I can be called on it. If you want to prove in a civilized manner, like Alex_1, that I am wrong (which I could be), I'm all ears. But if you come at me with mockery, reacting as if having a lower opinion on Ronaldo is a kind of blasphemy, then bother someone else.

But the fact that you have Ronaldo in your avatar does explain your pricky attitude.
Good bye.

[Ombak]

I don't see either a better backing-up of your assertion that Ronaldo was not one-dimensional. In fact, your post is less argumented than mine. Ronaldo "was not a one-man attack", he "was not one-dimensional", "he was an exceptionally gifted striker", "he had good positioning and good passing".
That's all. Brilliant argumentation, indeed.It was never meant to be. I found the idea of Ronaldo being one-dimensional so absurd that it didn't merit a straightforward response. I did however point to things you ignored - positioning, passing, off-the-ball running, interplay with other strikers. But I figured they spoke for themselves, so they didn't need examples.

I was even generous enough to insist on one example - but you were thrown off by the sarcasm, I apologize. You seem to have ignored it when it came up in the following post though.

At any rate, he has plenty of deficiencies, sure. But he's far from one-dimensional. And it doesn't require much to show that.

[Belgian guy]

A lot of people have forgotten how good Ronaldo was those first four years, first with PSV, and then with Barcelona and his first two years at Inter. After that, the injury came, and he frankly hasn't been the same since. He still had a good shot, and decent scoring statistics, but he didn't scare people the way he did before. He lost a lot of pace, and his trademark runs with the ball were all but gone.

Ronaldinho hasn't passed Ronaldo in terms of performances yet, but he might if you give him a few years. He has lead a team to a CL title, something Ronaldo has yet to do. He also has a game that is more adapted to team play. Ronaldo was more of a one man team kinda player.

[Tribune]

I was even generous enough to insist on one example - but you were thrown off by the sarcasm, I apologize. You seem to have ignored it when it came up in the following post though.




Apologizes accepted. But your example with Romario does not convince me. How many games did they played together ? I don't know the precise number, but they were not more than 10-15. On the other hand, at club level, in more than 250 games at PSV, Barca, Inter and Real, I never seen Ronaldo really clicking with another partner (interplay with other strikers, as you said), at least not on the long term. He had brief periods with Zamorano or Raul, but not for long.
If you think I am wrong, can you provide some examples ?

You seem to have ignored it when it came up in the following post though.

I was answering to Alex_1. But, on the other hand, Ronaldo's history at club level is not encouraging at all. He is lucky he has a brilliant international record to back him up, else he would be in deep trouble.

And, btw, here's a similar opinion above. It seems is not that clear as you believe. Belgian_guy said some thingh which I also said, but in different words.
So, could you share with us your argument why Ronaldo is not a "one man team kind of player" ?

[d.Lughie]

No matter you say, the fact is that Ronaldinho managed to win 2 titles in a row and CL for his club. Many have failed to do this, Ronaldo included. In fact, in his 3 seasons at Barca, Ronaldinho has done more for his club than Ronaldo for any of his clubs over his entire career.

If you based players like that. There are certainly more players who deserved the mention. Players like David Beckham and Zinedine Zidane.

Beckham even won the famous treble in the 99/00 season.

[Milliano]

If you based players like that. There are certainly more players who deserved the mention. Players like David Beckham and Zinedine Zidane.

Beckham even won the famous treble in the 99/00 season.

Real Madrid won the European Cup in 99-00... don't you remember? ;)
The treble was 98-99.

[reelmaad]

At Real Madrid, Raul had to be pulled back in order to make Ronaldo the only striker. The combination proved to be disastruous..
Actually Ronie's first season at RM was one of Raul's best ever.....Raul had one of his best La liga strike rates ever.

[Tribune]

Actually Ronie's first season at RM was one of Raul's best ever.....Raul had one of his best La liga strike rates ever.


Reelmaad, due to your love for Ronaldo, you don't know what you are talking about. Raul got only 16 goals in La Liga that season. Hardly one of his best La Liga strike rates ever. And I'm not talking only about goal ratio, since each could get goals on his own (Raul was still dynamite at that time) but also about the interplay between the two, of which I have not seen too much...

[Zhenia Sapozhkov]

Ronaldo pf course

[reelmaad]

Reelmaad, due to your love for Ronaldo, you don't know what you are talking about. Raul got only 16 goals in La Liga that season. Hardly one of his best La Liga strike rates ever. And I'm not talking only about goal ratio, since each could get goals on his own (Raul was still dynamite at that time) ...

Like i said Ronie's first season at RM was one of Raul's best ever.....Raul had one of his best La liga strike rates ever....infact it was his 3rd best ever
He also had his second most assist in a season in that period.

Here, do the math.....

Raul
1994-1995 Real Madrid 28 games 9 goals 4 assists
1995-1996 Real Madrid 40 games 19 goals 8 assists
1996-1997 Real Madrid 42 games 21 goals 13 assists
1997-1998 Real Madrid 35 games 10 goals 9 assists
1998-1999 Real Madrid 37 games 24 goals 6 assists
1999-2000 Real Madrid 34 games 17 goals 6 assists
2000-2001 Real Madrid 36 games 24 goals 2 assists
2001-2002 Real Madrid 35 games14 goals 4 assists
2002-2003 Real Madrid 31 games 16 goals 10 assists

but also about the interplay between the two, of which I have not seen too much
He didn't have any of those with Owen or even Ruud....nor with Spain....is that also Ronaldo's fault:rolleyes:

[LGF8]

I don't care about stats and I don't care about some lame analysis like "ronaldo sucked cause he couldn't run without the ball" and "his passing was comical". Seriously, this sounds like a 2nd grade PE teacher told you to write down about soccer to make your parents proud and thats what u did, and now think u are good at it. Ronaldo was good as shit and i would rather have him at his prime over ronaldinho at his prime. Ronaldinho is over hyped cause of the idiots that buy the whole media crap, the same people that think Beckham is the best and that Maradona was better than Pele. But he is still a very good player, he is just not as incredible as some people deem him to be.

[xTottixCorex]

Ronaldo at his best is better then Ronaldinho will ever hope to be.

[The circle of life 0]

INDEED MY FREINDS!!!:cool:

[jared9999]

Ronaldo

[Harry Boulton]

I'd take Ronaldo because when he came through, he stood out from a very strong field. When he burst onto the scene, it wasn't like the game was lacking world class strikers. They were everywhere. As well as Ronaldo we had Salas, Batistuta, Shearer, Vieri, Kluivert, Fowler, Romario, Mihailovic, Del Piero and Boksic, to name a few. The first 4 on that list were, at the time, incredible p[layers, although Salas was still playing in Argentina at the time.

But Ronaldo stood out from the rest like a sore thumb because while all of those players had abvious flaws, Ronaldo had none. While Shearer depended on service, Ronaldo could create his own opportunities. While Vieri lacked the ability to beat a man, Ronaldo did it at will. While Batistuta lacked pace, Ronaldo was blessed with the best turn of pace in the world with the ball at his feet and while Salas was one-foot dependant, Ronaldo couls use both with equal effect. He was strong, fast, a strong finisher, an intelligent runner, a good link up player and blisteringly skillfull to boot. He had broken records all over the place because he was a phenomenal striker and goal scorer.

I for one have been down-hearted to see his demise as a footballer over the years. Injuries have taken it's toll and it's important to remember, Ronaldinho has suffered no major injuries as yet. Ronaldo started with them when he was 25(ish) I think and has never fully recovered.

I hope his move to Milan enables him to discover the form that has made him a house-hold name , but I fear at the age of 30, this move may have come a couple of years too late. Saying that, Henrik Larsson is 35...........

[Paul_NL]

Untill 22 Ronaldo, after that Ronaldinho

[juanse_moncayo]

Untill 22 Ronaldo, after that Ronaldinho

Until Ronaldhino reaches 29 and has been through everything Ronaldo has and keep on being such a powerfull player liked Ronaldo showed he is against Chievo, I will stick to Ronaldo. Love Ronaldinho, but I think Ronaldo has done so much more!!

[Jerzeslugga]

why compare....

dinho would have to suffer through more than 1 knee surgery...and still be able to perform of atleast 50% of how he used to perform...

[Koby7STAR]

Raul
1994-1995 Real Madrid 28 games 9 goals 4 assists
1995-1996 Real Madrid 40 games 19 goals 8 assists
1996-1997 Real Madrid 42 games 21 goals 13 assists
1997-1998 Real Madrid 35 games 10 goals 9 assists
1998-1999 Real Madrid 37 games 24 goals 6 assists
1999-2000 Real Madrid 34 games 17 goals 6 assists
2000-2001 Real Madrid 36 games 24 goals 2 assists
2001-2002 Real Madrid 35 games14 goals 4 assists
2002-2003 Real Madrid 31 games 16 goals 10 assists


He didn't have any of those with Owen or even Ruud....nor with Spain....is that also Ronaldo's fault:rolleyes:[/quote]

<The reason the assist is so high that season is because most of the assists given by Raul were to Ronaldo.
I think it is great that the majority of the Real Madrid team that season were able to adapt to Ronaldo's play so immediately.

[FWS93]

as of right now at his peak Ronaldo is better than Ronaldihno, we just have to wait to see how much better ronaldihno gets, he is not far off. as for Ronaldinho winning the champione league for Barca, i have to disagree, that final may have been one of the worst games he had ever played

also i read a quote somehwere: Gabriel Batistuta was asked what he thought about the play of Ronaldo, i think it was around '98 Batigol's answer was "Ronaldo is football"