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HerthaBerwyn
11 Dec 2006, 01:25 PM
I live in Chicago and Im told its sacralidge. Does anyone hate Mies van der Rohe as much as I do?
TheRightHandofDoom
11 Dec 2006, 01:36 PM
I live in Chicago and Im told its sacralidge. Does anyone hate Mies van der Rohe as much as I do?
Hate? No.
Fail to see what incites the worship? Yes.
Matt in the Hat
11 Dec 2006, 07:15 PM
"Less is More". Kiss my balls.
Mies van der Rohe invented this philosophy to avoid doing work. That said, I don't hate with the same intensity as Le Corbusier. That man actually ruined lives and societites with his work. He had complete contempt for people.
TheRightHandofDoom
11 Dec 2006, 08:15 PM
That said, I don't hate with the same intensity as Le Corbusier. That man actually ruined lives and societites with his work. He had complete contempt for people.
If you had tits and a vagina, I'd marry you.
My life's dream is to burn down Notre Dame du Haut
el-capitano
11 Dec 2006, 11:45 PM
Some of Mies stuff is good as sculpture eg- the Barcelona Pavillion & Farnsworth House. Totally impractical to live in, but nice to look at! :)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Jfader_barca_pavillion.jpg/300px-Jfader_barca_pavillion.jpg
His bigger stuff is rather ordinary though.
el-capitano
11 Dec 2006, 11:45 PM
That said, I don't hate with the same intensity as Le Corbusier. That man actually ruined lives and societites with his work. He had complete contempt for people.
His housing work, esp. the mass scale stuff, may have been a bit left of the middle, but surely you can see the genius of the man, and the fact his work was so far ahead of his time, that some of his smaller housing work still looks good today?
The main reason I like him is his religious architecture, which has to have some of the best form, spaces, natural lighting and sculptural shape of any churches I've ever seen today. Notre Dame Du Haut at Ronchamp, La Tourette and the now complete church at Firminy are all spectacular.
Have ever of you two actually walked through and spent hours or lived in any of his works? It might change your mind. :cool:
Alberto
12 Dec 2006, 09:25 PM
If you had tits and a vagina, I'd marry you.
My life's dream is to burn down Notre Dame du Haut
That's terrible even as a joke. Ronchamp is a great building. The Villa Savoy for it's time was great, Chandigargh, the Unite the Habitacion are all horrible and should be bulldozed immediately as urban blight and fascist architecture of the highest order.
Matt in the Hat
14 Dec 2006, 08:10 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Citt%C3%A0_per_tre_milioni_di_abitanti.jpg
City for 3 Million
Boy, I'm glad this never happened. There was a plan for "sinking" 34th and 125th streets in Manhattan based on this idea which thankfully died.
Unfortunately, it is dicks like this guy that give planning a bad name. Thankfully our modern version of New Urbanism does not have the same contempt for individuality and existing neighborhoods. It's more about intergration than wholesale restructuring.
murtaugh
17 Dec 2006, 05:22 PM
*sigh*
TheRightHandofDoom
17 Dec 2006, 10:20 PM
Thankfully our modern version of New Urbanism does not have the same contempt for individuality and existing neighborhoods. It's more about intergration than wholesale restructuring.
Yeah, it's so much improved since it only has contempt for people who can't afford to live in it's wholly restructured areas.
Matt in the Hat
18 Dec 2006, 01:32 PM
Yeah, it's so much improved since it only has contempt for people who can't afford to live in it's wholly restructured areas.
Depends. An overwhelming majority of projects in Jersey City right now require a significant portion of the residential areas be set aside for middle and low income families.
Matt in the Hat
18 Dec 2006, 01:33 PM
*sigh*
Is that it?
TheRightHandofDoom
18 Dec 2006, 07:45 PM
Depends. An overwhelming majority of projects in Jersey City right now require a significant portion of the residential areas be set aside for middle and low income families.
That's very nice and all, however, if you don't have the income to pay for the higher cost of say, food, goods and services in the new mixed used developments, then it really doesn't matter what the rent is because you can't afford to shop locally, you can't afford a car, and you don't have the means to carry a weeks worth of groceries in from Wal-Mart or any other discount retailer.
Matt in the Hat
18 Dec 2006, 07:58 PM
That's very nice and all, however, if you don't have the income to pay for the higher cost of say, food, goods and services in the new mixed used developments, then it really doesn't matter what the rent is because you can't afford to shop locally, you can't afford a car, and you don't have the means to carry a weeks worth of groceries in from Wal-Mart or any other discount retailer.
That would be true if there weren't 3 or 4 different levels of shopping in the same neighborhood. We have 99 cent stores and high end boutiques and every thing inbetween within a 15 minute walk of most points in the city.
And every place delivers, from Target to the A&P and usually for free so the car and grocery thing is not an issue.
Trust me. It's working.
TheRightHandofDoom
18 Dec 2006, 08:05 PM
That would be true if there weren't 3 or 4 different levels of shopping in the same neighborhood. We have 99 cent stores and high end boutiques and every thing inbetween within a 15 minute walk of most points in the city.
How many 99 cent stores sell food or clothing?
And every place delivers, from Target to the A&P and usually for free so the car and grocery thing is not an issue.
As long as you are able to be at home when the deliver or you have a credit card to charge it.
Trust me. It's working.
Until the next "rebranding" of "good planning" comes along.
amerifolklegend
18 Dec 2006, 08:25 PM
Is that it?
I can translate that *sigh* for you:
"I am an architect so therefore I know more than you. And because I know more than you, I can tell you that any building ever built in Chicago (or by an architect that designed a building in Chicago) is infinately more beautiful than anything ever built anywhere else. And while it may look empty, cold, and ugly to you - the dirty people - to me - an architect - it is actually a stroke of genius. You see, my opinion matters more than yours because I am an architect - in Chicago. And since Mies will be forever tied to Chicago architecture, he is by definition, the greatest architect/designer in the history of ever and ever amen. Thank you."
TheRightHandofDoom
18 Dec 2006, 08:35 PM
Damnit Huss
Matt in the Hat
18 Dec 2006, 09:22 PM
How many 99 cent stores sell food or clothing?
Most of them by me. But I said from 99 cent stores to botiques. That leaves room for Target, BJ's, A&P, Pathmark, C-Town, the corner grocery lady, etc. There is supply for all ranges of the income scale
As long as you are able to be at home when the deliver or you have a credit card to charge it.
Or you put your groceries in one of these. They work like a charm.
http://www.stacksandstacks.com/image/8451.jpg
Until the next "rebranding" of "good planning" comes along.
Well so far it is successful. I'm not sure of what else to say.
murtaugh
19 Dec 2006, 01:54 PM
Is that it?Yeah, that's it. You're all entitled to your opinion but the magnitude by which the core point is being missed is pretty depressing.
I'm not going to get into it in depth here though, there's not much upside to it and I just got done writing quite a bit on a similar topic. Carry on.
Matt in the Hat
19 Dec 2006, 02:57 PM
Yeah, that's it. You're all entitled to your opinion but the magnitude by which the core point is being missed is pretty depressing.
I'm not going to get into it in depth here though, there's not much upside to it and I just got done writing quite a bit on a similar topic. Carry on.
Well thanks for participating :rolleyes: