Some people get one my nerves

[SF Gooner]

There was a reason that I stopped posting on Arsenal-Mania. I forgot what it was till I went over there and read this today.

From Sabertooth (or something close to that)

"While i'm not quite with Gurgen that this was our worst performance in a while. I don't think it was good enough, but i blame it on Wenger. We played a formation that didn't suit anyone. in a game that screamed out for 4-4-2 to be played, we sat back and refused to penetrate relying on full backs for an attacking threat. It was despicable. What i find the most amusing is that even a five year old realizes that our defence was at it's weakest. Senderos has never and i'd take a shot in the dark and say never will perform to his ability without a run of games to get him into the groove and Djourou is naive. So what do we do, play defensive football and try and soak up pressure? if we had actually attacked today then we could've walked away with someone and while Fabregas would like to be an extra attacking threat, it's not his strength, restrict him to his central midfield role where he does his damage and allow the strikers to be the attacking threats. If Wenger doesn't start playing teams on their merits and doesn't stop relying on luck things can only get worse for us."


I'm sorry but I HATE idiots like this. Other than being sloppy at the end I thought an under 21 back line did quite well against Chelsea's rubles. Sure Phil had another bad game, but it's his 5th game back from a long injury. The team and Wenger deserve alot of credit today.

[BenfromUSA]

Chelsea played into our hands tactically until robben and wright phillips were introduced, they we're really able to expose some weaknesses then. we just hafto face it, a midfield that includes flamini, and hleb is just not going to be able to anything very special against a team like chelsea. we're fortunate to get what we've got. Our backline is alright, we've got the best fullbacks in the world, but I've got a little problem with senderos, he kept loosing 50/50's to drogba and it seems like he just doesn't have the balls at times. For a guy his size, that needs to be his strength.

[Miles Brasher]

Chelsea played into our hands tactically until robben and wright phillips were introduced, they we're really able to expose some weaknesses then. we just hafto face it, a midfield that includes flamini, and hleb is just not going to be able to anything very special against a team like chelsea.

What ? Apart from the goal you mean ??? :rolleyes:

we're fortunate to get what we've got. Our backline is alright, we've got the best fullbacks in the world, but I've got a little problem with senderos, he kept loosing 50/50's to drogba and it seems like he just doesn't have the balls at times. For a guy his size, that needs to be his strength.


Assuming you're talking about him, Eboue is not the best full back in the world. With his defensive performance yesterday, he's not even the best at Arsenal...

[red & wite army]

Ok, firstly the first quote is pretty dumb, considering that he said that we should attack more because we have a weak defence. Some1 eeds to tell the guy that a deensive set-up means that the midfield s more defensice aswell, helping out the defence.

And then Ben said that we can't do much with a midfield of Hleb and Flamini. Are you saying collectively together because Hleb is a great player, and Flamini can work hard and achieve alot aswell.

Hmm, best fullbacks? Clichy isn't and people are thinking that Eboue is amasing because of his attacking...what about his primary function of defending. He has the potential to be the best, but he needs to learn how to defend better and balnce it with attack.

[SLO-Gunner]

Assuming you're talking about him, Eboue is not the best full back in the world. With his defensive performance yesterday, he's not even the best at Arsenal...


Yeah...best fullbacks in the world?? If defending isn't a requirement, then it may warrant a discussion.

[Val1]

Did I watch a different game? I thought we were very aggressive and attacking. Hleb, van Persie and Ade did a good job attacking. Flamini was in perfect position and on the same page as Hleb for the goal, Gilberto pushed the ball forward quickly, and Clichy tried to get forward several times. We came out, not to nick a point, but to win. And while I thought our back four was weak, that is only in comparison to the depth and riches of the Chelsea squad. Frank Lampard alone may have had more starts last year than the back four has combined (or there about).

[Stag133]

Did you watch a different game?
Apparently... because we were KILLED in the 2nd half.
We played the defensive style football that Wenger criticizes teams for playing against us...

They swarmed us for most of the 2nd half. We were lucky to escape with a point. I am THRILLED with a 1-1 draw after watching that 2nd half. The first half, we weren't bad at all.

[Val1]

I didn't say we played well in the second half, but that we continued to attack in the second half, especially given the hard rain. You could clearly see that Cesc was too cold to play well. And as I pointed out already, I feel that Wenger was out-coached and really didn't have an answer to Robben and SWP coming on except bringing Freddie on 15-20 minutes after, and in retrospect, Freddie wasn't up to it.

[generals soccer]

I am not sure what some people expect on these other forums. Arsenal takes a young team to the Bridge and gets a draw. I think anyone would have taken a draw knowing we were without our best 2 CBs, Henry (who though out of form is still Henry), and Rosicky. Yea, they are right we should have played 4-4-2 :rolleyes: How about a 4-3-3 with Song in Midfield? :eek:

[red & wite army]

How about a 4-3-3 with Song in Midfield? :eek:

hey hey hey keep that down before I get you banned! No swearing around here please!:p

[BenfromUSA]

And then Ben said that we can't do much with a midfield of Hleb and Flamini. Are you saying collectively together because Hleb is a great player, and Flamini can work hard and achieve alot aswell.


sure they're decent players but they will never be world class... thats what we'll need if we want to be at the top.

[Scally]

Ok Flamini isnt in the mould of a Fabregas or a Makelele but I admire him so much because he has shown that he wants to give 110% every time he gets a run out. Just looking at him last season and this, he would run through brick walls for Arsenal, ok maybe not at LB this season but if he was told to play there then he would. Im a huge fan of his and only for his heroics and willingness yesterday then the result could have been a 2-1 reverse. What a last ditch tackle on Lampards shot...

As for our full backs being up there with the best?
Positionally and tacticaly, they are still very green and naive but they have great potential to improve as their one-on-one defending proves. At the moment I am more worried about Clichy than Eboue. It seems to be more of a concentration issue with Eboue, he just needs to cop on to himself a bit more.

At this time IMO its clear as day that Djourou could become one of the best CB's in the world in 4-5yrs time.

[Rick B]

sure they're decent players but they will never be world class... thats what we'll need if we want to be at the top.

But thats rubbish. Look at the history of football and NO team ever before has had 11 World Class players. The first team to have that was the Galactico's of Real Madrid. Even the dominance of AC Milan in the 1990's was not because they had 11 World Class players. Even with Madrid, some of their players wern't great, just lucky.

At Arsenal at the moment we have in players who can be deemed World Class:

Lehmann
Toure
Gallas
Cesc
Gilberto
Henry

Now for any team to have 6 World Class players is a big achievement. The thing is we have had a couple of players playing under their capabilities and had some bad luck. We have the right squad with the right blend of youth and experience. We need the Hlebs and Flamini's of this world. They are great squad players and have always been needed.

[Lextx97]

Yeah...best fullbacks in the world?? If defending isn't a requirement, then it may warrant a discussion.

Somewhere, Roberto Carlos' ears just started burning. ;)

[Scally]

Somewhere, Roberto Carlos' ears just started burning. ;)
LMAO !!

[red & wite army]

At Arsenal at the moment we have in players who can be deemed World Class:

Lehmann
Toure
Gallas
Cesc
Gilberto
Henry



Yeah, I agree with that list but who do you guys think will be 'world class' in the next couple of years?

I think that Eboue certainly can do it. I believe that if he sat down and watched a few videos of players like Cafu playing or even look closer to home and watch Lauren he will be up their soon.

Rosicky has been a great player over the years but his career got into a bit of a lull. Watching him play, especially against Fulham, his first touches and body placement between the opponent and ball is excellent. He needs to start putting the ball on target. OK, I think he will be a superb player for us but I'm not sure about first-class. Hleb is in this bracket for me too.

I'm going out here but I believe Djourou can make a real name for himself. The guy is young but looks good and the problems I've seen look like they can be rectified in time.

As for van Persie...I think he has the potential and he oozes class but my gut feeling is that he isn't going to be huge at Arsenal - as much as I like him.:o

[BenfromUSA]

But thats rubbish. Look at the history of football and NO team ever before has had 11 World Class players. The first team to have that was the Galactico's of Real Madrid. Even the dominance of AC Milan in the 1990's was not because they had 11 World Class players. Even with Madrid, some of their players wern't great, just lucky.

At Arsenal at the moment we have in players who can be deemed World Class:

Lehmann
Toure
Gallas
Cesc
Gilberto
Henry

Now for any team to have 6 World Class players is a big achievement. The thing is we have had a couple of players playing under their capabilities and had some bad luck. We have the right squad with the right blend of youth and experience. We need the Hlebs and Flamini's of this world. They are great squad players and have always been needed.

ok then, take a look at this...

Chelsea:

Shevchenko
Drogba
Essien
Ballack
Lampard
Makelele
Robben
Terry
Carvalho
A. Cole
Cech

Man utd:

Van der sar
Vidic
Ferdinand
Neville
C. Ronaldo
Giggs
Scholes
Rooney

The history of football doesn't matter. Chelsea and Utd. are ahead of us for a reason. i'm not counting out that we have a promising future with alot of good young players with potential, but at the moment, what we have now is just not capable of getting it done. maybe it could have in the 90's, but it can't anymore. And we also cant count on every single one of our young talents turning into superstars.

[onreekid]

I know that this may not be the exact topic, but it does fall under the "people getting on my nerves," and that is, Jose Mourinho!!! Has anyone read what the a-hole said about Arsenal? He was pissed off because Arsenal were happy with a point and not the win!!! Hell yea I'm excited about a point from Stamford Bridge with a B lineup!!! Screw you cry baby!!!! Go back to Abramovich's money tit!!!

[Rick B]

ok then, take a look at this...

Chelsea:

Shevchenko
Drogba
Essien
Ballack
Lampard
Makelele
Robben
Terry
Carvalho
A. Cole
Cech

Man utd:

Van der sar
Vidic
Ferdinand
Neville
C. Ronaldo
Giggs
Scholes
Rooney

The history of football doesn't matter. Chelsea and Utd. are ahead of us for a reason. i'm not counting out that we have a promising future with alot of good young players with potential, but at the moment, what we have now is just not capable of getting it done. maybe it could have in the 90's, but it can't anymore. And we also cant count on every single one of our young talents turning into superstars.


I said World Class right at the moment. That means being in the top 5 players in their position at the present time. Now from your line up's of Chelsea and Man U.......

Shevchenko - even though not a great season, hard to argue with
Drogba - hmmm, very borderline - but I'll give it
Essien - Essien has not done enough in football to get in here, maybe in the future, but then we can add more Arsenal in then.....
Ballack - Yes
Lampard - Yes
Makelele - I'd say yes even though a lot wouldn't.
Robben - No, what has he achieved? Other wingers better than him
Terry - Yes
Carvalho - No chance, top 5 CB's in world, he wouldn't be near
A. Cole - Yes
Cech - Yes

Van der sar - no chance, 5 years ago, yes - not now
Vidic - Please tell me you are joking? No.
Ferdinand - This is getting funnier. No
Neville - 2 years ago, not now though
C. Ronaldo - Yes
Giggs - Yes
Scholes - No, not even when top of form 5 years ago
Rooney - Yes

So thats

Chelsea - 8
Man U - 3
Arsenal - 6

Therefore even with the amount of money Chelsea have, they have 8 World Class players and Man U have only 3 at present. Arsenal have 6 and have at least 3 or 4 more in the squad who could reach that grade eventually. We are more than capable in the next few years of winning the title and beating both of them. Every team goes through a transition, Chelski have come from no where with their Russian money, there is no way we can compete with the money but as we showed yesterday on the pitch - our players have a great future who can easily compete with Chelsea on the pitch where it's needed.

[topcatcole]

So thats

Chelsea - 8
Man U - 3
Arsenal - 6

Hmmmmmm. Based on this, one could conclude that league position and number of world class players are unrelated. ;)