Felipe Coronel and Censorship in the US Music Industry

[Ferdosi]

So I'm a mercenary, I don't care how I get richer
Like American companies that did business with Hitler

…

Honey I'm home, nevermind why our bank account's suddenly grown
It's funny, we're so out of this debt from this money we owe
Woulda ya...mind if I told you I had two governments overthrown
To keep our son enrolled in a private school, and to keep ya tummy swollen
C'mon, our fcukin' home was built on the foundation of bloody throats
The hungry stolen of they souls, of course this country's runnin' coke
I took a stunted oath to hush the one's who know
But CIA conducts the flow of these young hustlers who lust for dough

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The red don communist threat, burried and gone
So they invented a war, the goverment can carry on
It makes me wonder if the word of god is lost in the man
This is for the children of Iraq, lost in the sand

Felipe Coronel cannot sign with any record company, because of his political views.

Mod's Note: This thread grew out of a discussion on the International News board about Iranian "filtering" of web sites. As what is here is US-based, the mods of this board okayed a switch here. Cheers.

[HerthaBerwyn]

Start his own and sell online. Once there is a visible market he will get signed, thereby validating his point of view.

Micro-publishing can change the market and therefore the world.

[T_Rock]

Felipe Coronel cannot sign with any record company, because of his political views.

For those of you whose government allows you to go to youtube, here is a link to Felipe Coronel, aka Immortal Technique:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DR8_LwNHmLQ&mode=related&search=


Ferdosi, do you think that the US government should censor him or ban youtube because of this video? It obviously is calling for the overthrowing of the government.

Further, in light of the evil highlighted in this video, would you support an organization that is actively working to overthrow the US government? Theoretically, it would allow people in the West to see how evil their government is and would allow for greater prosperity in the ME and the rest of the world.

[HerthaBerwyn]

WEll, youve interested me. I took a listen and find him intelligable (often difficult for me with rappers) and more interested in politics tham telling everyone hes the baddest rhymer. A review.

A viciously lyrical emcee and budding producer based in New York City, Immortal Technique is arguably the most important political rapper in the game today. Born in a South American military hospital, his family relocated to Harlem when he was a youngster and he grew up as a child of hip-hop, doing grafitti and rapping at a young age. Like many men uptown, he got into his fair share of street drama, resulting in multiple arrests and eventually landing him in prison on aggravated assault charges. While serving a short bid, he honed his rhyme skills, penning many songs when he wasn't battling opponents in the yard. Upon his release in 1999, Immortal Technique hit the streets hard, staying out of trouble but developing a strong reputation as one of the city's premier battle rappers. He won many verbal showdowns, destroying lesser emcees at events like the Rocksteady Anniversary and Braggin Rites. Soon he released his first independent album, Revolutionary Vol. 1, which balanced his hardcore mic skills with a heavy dose of well-informed anti-government sentiment. The CD sold thousands of copies and earned him "Unsigned Hype" status in The Source magazine in late 2002. Revolutionary Vol. 2 followed the next year, and found him sharpening his lyrical swords and continuing his attack on the injustices of American law enforcement, the military, covert ops, racist drug wars and President Bush. The album also featured Mumia Abdul Jamal and like-minded artists such as C-Rayz Walz, with provocative cover artwork that depicted many high-ranking U.S. officials shot to death in the Oval Office. The album moved even more units than his earlier efforts, won press from I>XXL and the Washington Post and further irked the police, who raided Tech's hotel room under false pretenses when he was touring in 2004. While the mainstream rap market is all about glorifying corporate-sponsored thuggery, Immortal Technique, like Public Enemy and dead prez before him, is on the forefront of bringing intelligent, politically-charged hip-hop back to prominence. With his high-quality songs, business-minded work ethic, and relentless performances, he is a much-needed element in the industry. Assuming he can avoid the wrath of the black helicopters, he could very well usher in a new movement of social justice in popular music.

- Brolin Winning

Agree with his message or not (which is irrelevant to his right to make it clear) He makes it clear, which is half the battle.

[Ferdosi]

Filtered? http://engforum.pravda.ru/images/smilies/thumb.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGueCEMx3ag&NR
Sony?

[Ferdosi]

For those of you whose government allows you to go to youtube, here is a link to Felipe Coronel, aka Immortal Technique:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DR8_LwNHmLQ&mode=related&search=


Ferdosi, do you think that the US government should censor him or ban youtube because of this video? It obviously is calling for the overthrowing of the government.

Further, in light of the evil highlighted in this video, would you support an organization that is actively working to overthrow the US government? Theoretically, it would allow people in the West to see how evil their government is and would allow for greater prosperity in the ME and the rest of the world.
Then, how do you dare commenting about websites banned by IR?

[Ferdosi]

One of my favorite, The 4th branch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GutK1zicctw

[T_Rock]

Then, how do you dare commenting about websites banned by IR?

I am confused. (I know, your not surprised:D ). Do you think this rapper is banned or "filtered" in the US? He isn't, and I don't think he should be. He is anti-US government, but he has the right to his opinion and the right to express it how he see fit.

I was asking you if you thought it would be in the best interest of the US to start banning this type of music.

[Ferdosi]

I am confused. (I know, your not surprised:D ). Do you think this rapper is banned or "filtered" in the US? He isn't, and I don't think he should be. He is anti-US government, but he has the right to his opinion and the right to express it how he see fit.

I was asking you if you thought it would be in the best interest of the US to start banning this type of music.
Stop lying, when he took his music to Sony, they told him to get rid of his ''war'' lyrics. That is pretty much fcuking filtering alright.

The answer to your question is very obvious, so I'll answer it with another :
Do you think that banning websites would be in the best interest of the IR. Iran?

[diablodelsol]

Stop lying, when he took his music to Sony, they told him to get rid of his ''war'' lyrics. That is pretty much fcuking filtering alright.

The answer to your question is very obvious, so I'll answer it with another :
Do you think that banning websites would be in the best interest of the IR. Iran?


I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the topic of governmental censorship. That you confuse the issue so easily makes me question whether trying to explain the difference to you would be worth the effort.

[T_Rock]

Stop lying, when he took his music to Sony, they told him to get rid of his ''war'' lyrics. That is pretty much fcuking filtering alright.

The answer to your question is very obvious, so I'll answer it with another :
Do you think that banning websites would be in the best interest of the IR. Iran?

You do realize that it is not a right to have your music published by a major record company, right?

With that logic, the UK is filtering my football abilities because Manchester United did not offer me contract after I graduated college. The even told me to get rid off my slowness and lack of finishing.

The fact is Immortal Technique has a record label. Here is the link:

http://www.viperrecords.com/

Anyone can buy his music. He is not "filtered" by the US government.

[SgtSchultz]

Sounds like another loser. Once he makes it big time, he will ask the US government to protect his copyrighted music. My personal favorite is Whinecleff Jean. Here is a guy who claims to care for the poor. Have you seen all the cars he has? Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

[Ferdosi]

You do realize that it is not a right to have your music published by a major record company, right?

With that logic, the UK is filtering my football abilities because Manchester United did not offer me contract after I graduated college. The even told me to get rid off my slowness and lack of finishing.

The fact is Immortal Technique has a record label. Here is the link:

http://www.viperrecords.com/

Anyone can buy his music. He is not "filtered" by the US government.

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess it was my mistake!
You see, last time I went to my local HMV, they told me '' You can't buy his CD's in Music stores, try a hiphop shop or burn it on the internet.''

You don't know whats an underground/independent label, do you?

With that logic, the UK is filtering my football abilities because Manchester United did not offer me contract after I graduated college. The even told me to get rid off my slowness and lack of finishing.

So you're saying that the Anti-war/CIA/USGov lyrics should be removed because thats just the way things are? I mean, they're not filtering, they're just saying '' look buddy, you can't say these things around here, you need to improve your opinion on the governement before we give you the right to express yourself to a greater number of people.''

You never give up, thats probably the only positive thing you carry in this life.

[diablodelsol]

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess it was my mistake!
You see, last time I went to my local HMV, they told me '' You can't buy his CD's in Music stores, try a hiphop shop or burn it on the internet.''

You don't know whats an underground/independent label, do you?



So you're saying that the Anti-war/CIA/USGov lyrics should be removed because thats just the way things are? I mean, they're not filtering, they're just saying '' look buddy, you can't say these things around here, you need to improve your opinion on the governement before we give you the right to express yourself to a greater number of people.''

You never give up, thats probably the only positive thing you carry in this life.

Before we go on, please answer this:

To whom are you referring in the parts I've bolded?

[Ferdosi]

Before we go on, please answer this:

To whom are you referring in the parts I've bolded?
Sony, Defjam, etc...Major record companies that hold a certain guide book when it comes down to filtering lyrics. A book implemented by the same people who silence what you're not suppost to hear, and turn off what you're not suppose to see.

You only wrote so few, and I can already tell that you're much confused as #008.

[Ferdosi]

I have a soccer game to catch at 1:30, I need to get ready, but I'll be back later tonight to read your post.

[Ismitje]

I have a soccer game to catch at 1:30, I need to get ready, but I'll be back later tonight to read your post.

Sorry - this non-international news thread has gone on long enough.

Feel free to share those answers via PM!

EDIT: I will ask the music board folks if they'll let me transfer the thread.

SECOND EDIT: None of the music board folks have been on line today. No news yet.

[T_Rock]

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess it was my mistake!
You see, last time I went to my local HMV, they told me '' You can't buy his CD's in Music stores, try a hiphop shop or burn it on the internet.''

You don't know whats an underground/independent label, do you?

Last time I went to my local video game store to buy Football Manager 2007 (WWSM2007 here in the States) they told me I had to buy it online. It wasn't carried in stores. Perhaps there is not enough of a market to justify having either that music or that game in inventory.

So you're saying that the Anti-war/CIA/USGov lyrics should be removed because thats just the way things are? I mean, they're not filtering, they're just saying '' look buddy, you can't say these things around here, you need to improve your opinion on the governement before we give you the right to express yourself to a greater number of people.''

You never give up, thats probably the only positive thing you carry in this life.

If you look through this entire thread, I have supported his right to make his music however he wants. And he can. Sony is a company. They are there to make money. Sony didn't think his message/skill would sell enough records to justify giving him a record deal. Sony didn't tell him he couldn't express himself, they told him they were not going to pay him to do it.

[Daniel from Montréal]

Isn't there a non-stated agreement to keep the Iranians from the Politics board off this one?

[yellowbismark]

Sounds like another loser. Once he makes it big time, he will ask the US government to protect his copyrighted music.

I've actually seen Immortal Technique live and he actively encouraged the people in the audience to download his songs (mentioning to do that several different times), he is VERY pro-sharing. And I don't think wealth, if it ever comes to him, will change that based on how he is.