America deserves Pro Evolution Soccer.

[thepremierleague]

Do most people here understand that Konami MLS 2002 is very different indeed to Pro Evolution Soccer apart from just the teams?

Pro Evolution Soccer is Identical to Winning Eleven, but MLS 2002 is very different even though it uses the same engine.

Gameplay, graphics and sound are completely different and inferior.


I really hope Winning Eleven or Pro Evo are released in America with MLS teams, but Konami is too scared right now and creates this dumbed down rehash.

[JRedknapp11]

Winning 11 is sweet , although i am one of the rare few who think the Fifa series are better....2003 is supposed to be the shiat.

[thepremierleague]

I think that's part of the problem. Fifa has too much of a strangle hold in America.

Konami should just take a chance and release Winning Eleven with MLS and World teams instead of farming it off to another division to make MLS 2002.

[eric515]

Originally posted by thepremierleague
I think that's part of the problem. Fifa has too much of a strangle hold in America.

Konami should just take a chance and release Winning Eleven with MLS and World teams instead of farming it off to another division to make MLS 2002.

It is not so much the FIFA Franchise as it is EA Sports. A long time ago, they seperated themselves from the pack in pretty much every sport. If you want a good, somewhat realistic sports game in America, most people will tell you to get an EA game.

Now, the interesting thing to me is the decision by SEGA to be software only. I hold their NBA 2k2 and NFL 2k1 games in very high esteem (as far as competing against other games). Rumor has it, they are working on a Soccer 2k3, and I will definitely want to give that a look.

Speaking of FIFA 2003, any preliminary screen shots or anything available anywhere?? If they can expand on the new stuff they included in WC 2002, I think it would probably be a kick ass game!!

[Nakeem 2006]

TPL is stupid.


Pro Evolution Soccer = MLS Extratime game engine. I've been in talks with Konami and they have said the same.


Now, PES 2 is coming out in Europe and it is the same as Winning Eleven 6 which is better game engine than MLS Extratime 2002.

TPL has never played the game and he is in no position to talk about it. Pro Evolution was released in the U.S. in 2001.

[JRedknapp11]

Originally posted by eric515




Speaking of FIFA 2003, any preliminary screen shots or anything available anywhere?? If they can expand on the new stuff they included in WC 2002, I think it would probably be a kick ass game!!



check out where's holland thread....

[thepremierleague]

Originally posted by Nakeem 2006
TPL is stupid.


Pro Evolution Soccer = MLS Extratime game engine. I've been in talks with Konami and they have said the same.


Now, PES 2 is coming out in Europe and it is the same as Winning Eleven 6 which is better game engine than MLS Extratime 2002.

TPL has never played the game and he is in no position to talk about it. Pro Evolution was released in the U.S. in 2001.


Somebody enable this man to read reviews.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/356/356831p1.html

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/0,11114,560625,00.html

It has the SAME GAME ENGINE but looks, sounds and plays COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to winning eleven 5.

Can anyone else explain why he's so thick?

[KC Salty]

I want a Pro-Evolution or Winning Eleven or whatever you want to call it released here in these United States.

But I want it to have:

MLS license (players, logos, kits, stadia, rules, etc.)

Franchise mode (5 or so consecutive seasons)

Create/Edit Players (and be able to use them in MLS and franchise modes)

Create/Edit Teams (and be able to use them in MLS and franchise modes).

Create your own Tournaments and Leagues

National Teams (hopefully with accurate players, but not a necessity)

In short, it should have all the bells and whistles that FIFA (or Madden, NHL, or any other EA Sports title) has.

But I want Konami's gameplay. I don't know if there is a massive difference in gameplay between Extratime and PE or WE, but I'm willing to plunk down my cash and find out. Extratime gameplay makes me happy (much moreso than EA's FIFA series), and if PE/WE is better then I will be happier. Just include the above features.

It's not like I'm asking for a complete A-League (Yet! :D)

[Nakeem 2006]

fact: Winning Eleven 5 is the same exact game as MLS extratime 2002 but with different teams.


fact: MLS Gamenight is the same game as Pro Evolution Soccer for the PSX, and they released the same version in North America, what North America did not get is a PS2 version.


fact: MLS Extratime has gotten rave reviews on several websites.


fact: MLS Extratime was not DUMBED DOWN, merely the Honolulu team was just lazy and did not port the WE6 new engine.


The PremierLeague has never played MLS Extratime yet he thinks he is an expert.

[thepremierleague]

CAN ANY GOOD AMERICAN PEOPLE HERE PLEASE INFORM NAKEEM THAT HE IS TALKING OUT HIS ARSE?


Read This REVIEW:
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/165/165724p1.html

QUOTE:

Konami's latest attempt is to tap and penetrate the American market more than ever before.

*But it's all messed up. Because while the Japanese received Winning Eleven 5, arguably the greatest next-generation soccer game on the planet, and Europe appears to be receiving ISS Pro Evolution, the soccer-poor US gets the strange hybrid from Konami's Honolulu Studios.

*ESPN MLS Extra Time isn't just retrofitted with the ESPN license, commentary, presentation and music, it's an altered -- more like neutered -- version of Winning Eleven Five that's just not as good as the original.

*The graphics, animation, the commentary, stadia, and the gameplay aren't as good as that pure Japanese product.


Hardly the same game Nakeem you fool, just a castrated version.

[Nakeem 2006]

you are aware MLS Extratime 2002 was never released on ps2 and you are reffering to an older game, right?


Bottom line is that I have actually played all the games we are talking about and you have not.

[thepremierleague]

Originally posted by Nakeem 2006

Bottom line is that I have actually played all the games we are talking about and you have not.

You obviously have not. The review above was the PS2 2001 version, which you said was the same as ISS Pro Evolution, wrong. The 2002 reviews I posted before say the same thing about the 2002 version.


From day one MLS games have been inferior and are not the same. Do you know what a game engine is? It does not make graphics and gameplay the same even if it's based on the same game engine.


Anyway, you won't listen to me. Can anyone else here explain it to him?

[Mark A]

Konami lost their espn license and their sport division is dead in the US.

[Auriaprottu]

Does this mean the US will get the so-called superior versions of these games, so that the issue can be resolved once and for all?

Of course, if Winning Eleven and Pro Evolution don't have MLS, they aren't worth owning, regardless of how "good" they are.

[Nakeem 2006]

i love how he keeps saying that the MLS versions are inferior yet he has never played them, he is just basing it on a review from ign.com

and he even said that pro evolution is not the same as the european version yet I own the ps1 euro version that I got in germany and it's exactly the same 100%

[Baracuda]

I played this game while in Australia a couple months ago and it is freakin' great. I would have played it more but the shop had all its games stolen.
I still play ISS for PS1 rather than any of the new PS2 games

[revfan11]

Here's an import review on Winning Eleven 6 from IGN

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/361/361202p1.html

MLS Extratime 2002 is improved over the first version on PS2, but it doesn't nearly stack up to the Winning Eleven series. For one thing, players play just about exactly how they are in real life on PES/WE. Plus, scores tend to be a lot higher in Extratime, as it is harder to score in PES/WE and it feels more rewarding as I've heard. It's likely that WE will be released in the U.S, as it says on this review, and I sure hope so.

[thepremierleague]

Originally posted by revfan11

MLS Extratime 2002 is improved over the first version on PS2, but it doesn't nearly stack up to the Winning Eleven series.


Thanks Revfan. Some people still don't understand.

They always make the MLS games easy and less realistic.

[BlueMovie FC]

I got Winning Eleven 6 last weekend. It has Japanese writing so some of it was weird. As for graphics it is better than MLS Extratime but not by that much. As for gameplay, it's about the same but Winning Eleven has more skill moves. It has more teams too but MLS extratime has more south american teams.

all thing being equal I think MLS Extratime is better because it has MLS teams. The gameplay is better but not that much better.

[Jordan]

Originally posted by BlueMovie FC
I got Winning Eleven 6 last weekend. It has Japanese writing so some of it was weird. As for graphics it is better than MLS Extratime but not by that much. As for gameplay, it's about the same but Winning Eleven has more skill moves. It has more teams too but MLS extratime has more south american teams.

all thing being equal I think MLS Extratime is better because it has MLS teams. The gameplay is better but not that much better.

LOL. You have the game for one week and you say it is the same as MLS Extra Time. First, get the English patch so you can understand all the menus. All the teams and players will be translated with their real names because Konami didn't buy the license for them. This is the best footie game at the moment. If you like to play with MLS teams, then MLS Extra Time is your game. But if you like to play with the best teams in the world, then WE6 and PES2 will be your game.

WE6 English Patch
http://www.winningeleven.mainpage.net/

MLS Extra Time Reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/espnmlsextratime

MLS Extra Time 2002
XBOX reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox/espnmlsextratime2002
Gamecube reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/gamecube/espnmlsextratime2002

WE6 Reviews
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/361/361202p1.html
http://www.operationsports.com/ReviewVault/reviews.asp?game=winningeleven6
http://www.ntsc-uk.com/MainContent/PS2/WinningEleven6/WinningEleven6.htm

For game tips and talk to others about WE6.
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