Blatter: 6+5

[Heist]

What do people think about Blatter's new idea?
http://www.itv-football.co.uk/Story/0,14272,6145_1718172,00.html

Forget the fact that its his idea and this thread isn't about some of his other ideas in the article. I don't really want to debate whether or not the rule is likely or if it'll pass EU standards.

The assumption is that IF it comes into being:
Is 6+5 good for football?

Will it improve the Champions League? W

hat will the effect be on countries like the US (cause i'm from the US), Mexico, Brazil, and african nations that export players to European Leagues?

I'm not old enough to have followed soccer before the Bosman ruling so I wanted to hear what people thought about this. Thanks!

[herewego]

Silly rule, in my opininon.

Ok, on the first sight one can understand the intention - broaden the national players base for first league competition to get better players for the national teams and less spaces for foreigner should keep some of the national star players in their home clubs to strengthen the teams from now minor leagues in european competitions.

But in reallity the top players of the minor leagues will stay as one of the 5 foreigners in the european top clubs and the nations mediocre players will get more expensive than now.

In the traditional big leagues in europe, England, Italy, Spain, Germany it is common that most of the internationals stay in their homeleague - in the minor leagues the best players often go abroad.

With the 6+5 rule it will happen that the big 2 or 3 clubs with the most money will hire all the countries internationals for the 6 starting and some bench places, that means that the rest of the clubs in the leagues must search for 6 starters and a reserve of benchers from the lower level of players of their nation, because they have no chance anymore to buy from foreign leagues in the same quantity as now.
Bayern Munich, Milan, Real, Chelsea would buy about 10 of their nations national team players to have 6 + injury reserve, 2nd and 3rd richest clubs in these leagues would take the rest of the internationals and all other clubs would have to hire from the rest, the non internationals, the players of less quality.

There would be a higher demand for this lower quality players from the home countries, and that means higher transfer compensations and wages for them. In the end: less quality for more money for all clubs that could not get the internationals of their countries.



The minor european league´s teams would lose much of their possibilities to get money from big transfers, because there will be less places for the hollanders, french, scandinavians, east europeans in the big european teams. I think, there are many south americans they will have to compete with for the 5 + injury reserve spots. Let´s take the Netherlands as example. The Robbens and Van Persie might keep their place in England, but the v. Bommels, v.d. Saars, Kuyt´s will have their problems to get one of the top spots and will have to return to the homenation.

Well, that could give Ajax or PSV a better team in the next few years, when some expats return home. But on the long distance the Netherlands will stay a small country with small TV money and small advertising and attendance potential. Nowadays they try to compensate that with their youth system and by selling talented players all over Europe. But this possibilities woul see a major decline, if the 6+5 rule would come.

After a few years only a handfull of the top Hollanders of the next generation would find their place in the big european clubs, all the other youth players would have to stay at home. With the decline of the big money transfers to foreign countries, a decline of the budgets of the netherland football clubs and their schools would go in hand. In the end, Holland would "produce" a lower number of talented players than today.

[leg_breaker]

A bad idea. The top few teams in each league would buy up the country's best players, and as the lower teams can't go out and get cheap foreign players, they'd be stuck with much more mediocre players, and the gap between the top clubs and the rest will increase further.

[tommyg2]

It is kind of ironic considering Rummenigges complaint about Chelsea, Barca etc that Bayern Munich is backing this proposal as well...

http://www.theoffside.com/world-football/the-call-for-restrictions-on-foreigners-in-club-football-grows.html

Guess what will happen to the competitiveness of the German league if this rule would be established...

[Milliano]

I wonder what sort of team vibe this will create for the non-G14 (plus Chelsea) clubs. It will be foreigners with a grudge on the less talented, overpaid, overly pampered domestic players. Players that deserve to play, will be on the bench... as if it is Real Madrid 2001-2005.

Is 6+5 good for football? I don't think so. At least not in most European countries. Europe is now Europe as a whole (well except the British who live on their island, and even they don't seem to mind all the foreign players)

I wonder if... I'm maybe being a bit conspiratorial.... but it's trying to promote the idea of domestic players "playing for their country" in the Champions League. Basically, promoting the idea of National Team competition. Which is just what type of footballing culture that FIFA would like.

I like free trade in club football... personally I find that is part of what makes it great. Players from anywhere (with some rule restrictions) can play for any club, and make a successful team. National Team football is great because of the nationality element.... so club football has a separate niche, I don't think it's proper to make more rules to make it more and more like NT football.

[leg_breaker]

How would this work with subs? If you start with six domestics and five foreigners, can you then not sub a domestic for a foreigner? Managers shouldn't have to think about nationality when making a sub.

[Heist]

How would this work with subs? If you start with six domestics and five foreigners, can you then not sub a domestic for a foreigner? Managers shouldn't have to think about nationality when making a sub.
I'm almost sure its only for the starting lineup.

[PsychedelicCeltic]

It won't stand up in European court.

[Heist]

It won't stand up in European court.

Sorry, maybe I didn't say it clearly enough.
"I don't really want to debate whether or not the rule is likely or if it'll pass EU standards."
I'm sure there are other threads where they are debating the likelihood of it standing up in court.

[Naughty by Nature]

Arsenal would soooooo be relegated if this passed :p

[PsychedelicCeltic]

Sorry, maybe I didn't say it clearly enough.
"I don't really want to debate whether or not the rule is likely or if it'll pass EU standards."
I'm sure there are other threads where they are debating the likelihood of it standing up in court.
You're not my mum so ******** off.

It won't stand up in court, which is all you need to know about Blatter's latest verbal diarrhea.

[Heist]

You're not my mum so ******** off.

It won't stand up in court, which is all you need to know about Blatter's latest verbal diarrhea.

Actually I specifically started the thread to discuss the effects it would have if it passed, so if that bothers you go elsewhere. Clearly, you don't understand the value of discussion for discussion's sake and think its cool that you know it won't stand up in court. Good for you. How about adding to the discussion instead of cursing me for no reason.

[happy]

Quite frankly, hoping this go through for selfish reason as th situation now is that only the top league (& more likely top clubs) r really benfitting from the Bosman ruling

Many leagues outside the established top 5 European leagues r in poor shape as they lose their best players too cheaply & too easily giving them no chance to establish themselves in their own public eyes.

Also a good effect of these will be clubs will think much abt signing too many players on high wages to sit on the bench as well as the players who cld train all day & nvr played for this talk of squad strength is crazy as one see players paid 20k a week doing nothing but train or just come off the bench for a few min action like Chelsea SWP, Spurs Murphay & Liverpool Dudek etc.