Rummenigge wants EU to stop competition having more money than the germans

[sinner78]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6190530.stm


hmm interesting little outburst here from Rummenigge.


"I just hope the European Union puts a stop to these excesses of Abramovich and foreign television."


So he wants to have restrictions on the spending of rivals all across europe because german clubs have less TV backing??
Yeah lets cripple everyone else just so bayern can have a better shot.
Nobody in spain ,england ,italy or France should be allowed to have good TV deals because the bundesliga is so poverty stricken .boo hoo hoo

Bayern munich have been allowed to financially dominate the german league for years and buy up the best players in the bundesliga .
But ironically they cant compete in europe so he wants laws passed to help them out .hahah
It was Bayern who signed up Ballack and Ze roberto from rivals leverkusen just as leverkusen were building a good team .Do I here the word "Hypocrite"?



"Everybody in the G14 thinks only about themselves. I will say it absolutely clearly - Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon and his colleagues only fight for themselves.

"So do the Italians and the English. In football it is pure selfishness that rules.



selfish???
so I suppose its not selfish on rummenigges part to want everyone else to brought down to earth to aid the germans chances.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Never trust Bayern Munich.

[Duncan Idaho]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6190530.stm

So he wants to have restrictions on the spending of rivals all across europe because german clubs have less TV backing??


Bayern is one of the wealthiest clubs in Europe, but their is a significant difference between Bayern and others like Chelsea, Milan, etc. Bayern can only spend the money they earned by themselves, but Chelsea and Co don't have to. They have their patrons that regard their clubs as a hobby and put as much money form their other business activities or private bank accounts into it. If you think that's is some kind of fair competition, then you're free to stand up and say yes! As a side note Bayern could easily get a better TV deal, they simply can quit the central tv marketing and do their own stuff, but even such a own tv deal (at least about 50 Mio per annum) wouldn't bring them near Abramovitch and Co.

[johan neeskens]

Rummenigge should stop whingeing. His club and country are far better off financially than most in Europe. So unless he joins the Cypriot league or vows to build up football in Andorra, his credibility on the subject is zero.

[sinner78]

If you think that's is some kind of fair competition, then you're free to stand up and say yes! .

I dont see Rummenigge crying about the lack of competition in the German league .Bayern buy up the best domestic players every season and nobody else can compete with them .Thats why they have won 6 out of 8 league titles in the last 8 years .totally dominated the league and bought the best players from the rival clubs .
Should there be restrictions on Bayern in the german league? or is rummenigge a big fat hypocrite ?

[arvin sloane]

I dont see Rummenigge crying about the lack of competition in the German league .Bayern buy up the best domestic players every season and nobody else can compete with them .Thats why they have won 6 out of 8 league titles in the last 8 years .totally dominated the league and bought the best players from the rival clubs .
Should there be restrictions on Bayern in the german league? or is rummenigge a big fat hypocrite ?

:rolleyes: Read again Duncan's post...

[AGF Aarhus]

:rolleyes: Read again Duncan's post...
Yep, and read it twice, maybe.

German clubs have to abide by very strict licensing standards. Simply put, the clubs must be financially solvent to operate.

How can clubs operating under such (prudent) rules compete with the shady finances of Real Madrid, AC Milan or Chelsea?

It isn't quite as unfair as during the cold war when players were simply ordered to play for certain teams, but it isn't fair, either.

There is also a very serious consequence to this. When clubs try to compete with the big boys, it can end in disaster. Just ask Leeds. Or ask Chelsea when Roman decides to take his money elsewhere. Or look at the books at Hearts, where a mountain of debt has been leveraged to create massive profits for a Lithuanian bank. It's very dangerous for the game.

I'm in no way a Bayern fan, but he's right about this.

[sinner78]

Damn ,german clubs can only spend the money they earn by themselves from merchandise and gate receipts .
no wonder its such a closed shop for the big teams.
no other team can hope to ever compete with bayern under those rules in germany .no small club could get a boost from a local millionaire to give themselves a chance .explains why bayern wins every year .
No new teams would ever be able to rise .
just the old boys network who had already established themselves .

well tough luck ,boys.
enjoy not being able to compete.
the old boys network of g14 clubs always talk about chelsea and abramovich because they cant stand a newbie coming in crashing their little party .they dont like new competition.

[arvin sloane]

no small club could get a boost from a local millionaire to give themselves a chance .
they can but only through sponsorship deals...

[leg_breaker]

This coming from Bayern Munich, a member of G14, an organisation which fights to destroy international football, a club which outspends and dominates their own league because no-one can afford to compete with them.

The poor babies.

The funniest part is that Munich won the champions league a few years ago, competely destroying their own argument!

[arvin sloane]

The funniest part is that Munich won the champions league a few years ago, competely destroying their own argument!
There was no Abramovič at that time and... well, read previous posts...

[Clan]

There was no Abramovič at that time and... well, read the previous posts...

I'm reading Sinners last post....and I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for Bayern.

Any comment?

[arvin sloane]

I'm reading Sinners last post....and I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for Bayern.

Any comment?
I love Chel$ki too...

[RichardL]

There is also a very serious consequence to this. When clubs try to compete with the big boys, it can end in disaster. Just ask Leeds. .that wasn't what stuffed up Leeds. Their chairman had a "great" idea of "if we keep getting into the champions league we'll get £x million year, so let's spend the money up front on players now and the champions league money will pay for it all over time".

Not such a good idea if the players you buy are crap and you don't qualify for the champions league.

Rummenigge is right that the unrestricted spending power of a few clubs (but especially one club) is not healthy for the game as the gap between the richer and even moderately wealthy clubs (let alone poorer ones) just gets wider and wider, but he is a hypocrite for not recognising the effect his club's extra purchasing power has over the German league - not to mention the whole point of the G14 was to create exactly the same financial gulf between its member clubs and the rest.

[herewego]

How should a fair sport competition be organized, if a big part of the sportwise quality of your team is depending on the money you can pay for top players and some teams have to earn that money, while others take benefit of billionairs that take a club as a hobby?

Bayern for sure is one of the richest clubs in football and maybe the best managed in the now about 30 years reign of Ulli Hoeness, making profit in more than 25 of his 30 years and in any of the last 14.

Bayern owns one of the most modern stadia in the world, has exquisit training grounds, has some of the best sponsoring partners that one can think of in world companies like Deutsche Telekom, Allianz Insurance, Audi, Adidas, and about 20 other sponsorship partners, adidas even a 10% shareholder of the pro football department of the club, has a long time leader board that many international companies would like to have, with famous personalities of footballers, politicans and CEOs of big german companies, has more than 120.000 club members, more than 150.000 members organized in more than 2500 official fanclubs, has liquid cash of about 150 Million Euros and is in the top 5 or 6 clubs regarding annual turnovers.

And that all under the given circumstances for pro football in Germany, which mainly means that pro football departments have to be part of non profit club organizations, TV money is relatively weak because of the big german free TV market that hinders the developement of the PAY TV stations and even this TV money has to be shared with all the other clubs of 1st and 2nd Bundesliga.

They have this success because they are good in levelling the less TV money with high attended games, steadily success in european competition, the biggest income by sponsorship contracts and the third or second highest merchandising income in the football world.
And by not doing silly transfers.

You see, they are doing their business very well and very serious and very constantly over the years.

Even with about 100 million less TV income than the biggest italian or spanish clubs, with about 50 million less than the english clubs, they reached a turnover of 220 million Euros last year, compare that to the 240 Millions Chelsea made with much more TV money.

But the difference is, that Bayern made a profit of about 25 million euros before tax out of their 220 million turnover, while Chelsea made a net loss of about 270 million euros from their 240 millions.

I described how well Bayern does it´s business under not the best circumstances given in Germany, I described that it took about 30 years of very good performance of the management to collect 150 million cash on the business account and then they have to recognize, that they must compete for the best players with a Chelsea, that is allowed to make a net loss of almost the double money in only one year, that Bayern needed to work 30 years for.

Obviously there should be some form of licensing or at least some kind of salary cap depending on a relation of a clubs turnover let´s say of the last 5 years to get access to the european club competitions. If they continue to don´t do that, european football will not benefit profound and serious work on the business side and in the end CL will be more and more some kind of a circus for some billionairs with a standing near to a wrestling league.

[sinner78]

Obviously there should be some form of licensing or at least some kind of salary cap depending on a relation of a clubs turnover let´s say of the last 5 years to get access to the european club competitions. .


Thats what the G14 clubs want .A move that would make it even more of a closed shop for the big teams.
Ideal for the fat cat clubs to keep newbies out .
But those communist style rules are never going to happen .


Nobody in germany can compete with them .They rule the whole league under their rules .They buy up the best players in the bundesliga every season and make it a nice little closed shop where nobody else can possibly touch them.

[herewego]

So to cut the spending for the players in relation to the turnover each club generates is more unfair, than all economical rock solid clubs outmuscled by a handful of crazy billionairs?

And as if they would only be crazy, some might use football for a laundry of dirty money.

[AGF Aarhus]

So to cut the spending for the players in relation to the turnover each club generates is more unfair, than all economical rock solid clubs outmuscled by a handful of crazy billionairs?

And as if they would only be crazy, some might use football for a laundry of dirty money.

*cough* Berlusconi *cough*

I have no problem with clubs being successful when their finances are in order. I personally dislike the quasi-socialistic approach in American sports.

But it is unreasonable to ask fiscally responsible clubs to compete with clubs from other countries that appear to have no rules at all. And it is UEFA's responsibility to impose regulations that stipulate what those rules are for UEFA competitions.

[leg_breaker]

There was no Abramovič at that time and... well, read previous posts...

How does Abramovich stop Munich winning the Champions League? Chelsea have not won it, and last season Munich were eliminated by AC Milan. What did Abramovich contribute to Munich's humiliation in the San Siro?

[leg_breaker]

So to cut the spending for the players in relation to the turnover each club generates is more unfair, than all economical rock solid clubs outmuscled by a handful of crazy billionairs?

Any club in theory can be taken over by a billionaire, but only a few teams will ever have the huge numbers of fans needed to compete based on turnover alone.

Man United's turnover dwarfs any team in England, without Abramovich the Premiership would be a very predictable league.