wtfs going on in UCLA???

[mak9]

watch this video of a persain getting tasered when he was studying at the library

is this how they treat people in UCLA???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3GstYOIc0I&mode=related&search=

[sahbekham_pactwinner]

Whoever shot this footage, if he is going to be a camera man, he should quit right now. He did a lousy job and i couldn't see what really was happening.

But i don't get why the Iranian-american student wasn't complying with the police. I guess i heard like a thousand times, STAND UP.

[!Bob]

There are apparently demonstrations being organised by "Persians" at UCLA. Was wondering what that was all about.

[Ali_reza]

We can't see what exactly happened and yes he does'nt coaporate. But still, can't they just pick him up instead of using their Tazer gun ?? The whole thing lasts 6 long minutes.

I mean the black policeman is HUGE and their are a couple more policemen around threatening the other students instead of just taking the guy away.

Savages.

[sahbekham_pactwinner]

We can't see what exactly happened and yes he does'nt coaporate. But still, can't they just pick him up instead of using their Tazer gun ?? The whole thing lasts 6 long minutes.

I mean the black policeman is HUGE and their are a couple more policemen around threatening the other students instead of just taking the guy away.

Savages.


Well that's true. They could have just handcuffed the guy and take him out of there. There were like, what 4-5 policemen over there. The taser gun, if it have been used, was not necessary in this case.

[aguy2die4]

http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958

http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960

Read the two articles (chronogically ordered) and watch the video again.

It gives you a clearer picture of the situation. Remember these eye-witnesses are not some drunk bum off the streets and neither was the incident out in the open during a thunderstorm at night where the rain blurs your vision and impairs your hearing. The witnesses are numerous, intelligent, sober, standing few feet away from the incident inside a university library. Their statements are pretty much rock solid even without the video.

[Ali_reza]

http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958



By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him

So the student did'nt have a BruinCard (?) on him and was leaving by his own after a random control, even though he hadd'nt left immediatley ...

[aguy2die4]

Exactly. In the 2nd more recent article: http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960

Tabatabainejad was walking with his backpack toward the door when he was approached by two UCPD officers, one of whom grabbed the student's arm. In response, Tabatabainejad yelled at the officers to "get off me." Following this demand, Tabatabainejad was stunned with a Taser.

He probably felt indignant at first for being asked to leave so probably refused and gave some lip. The UCPD calls for backup. This frightens the kid into getting his stuff and leaving. Mission accomplished. Simple. With no tasering of any kind required. The call for backup was enough without any need to taser him or handcuff him.

The UCPD officers then should have watched him leave and followed him out of the door. How simple is that. The officer carries out his duty, the kid learns his lesson. Being walked out is humiliating enough.

Instead, they stop him and grab his arm. Then taser him and handcuffs him. You can clearly see in the vid that his hands are behind him with two officers on either side of him holding him by the arms and shoulders. Why not drag him or carry him out at this point? No they decide to tell him to stand up without even considering he may not be able to (read the 2nd article that tells you about "drive" stun mode but even in that mode some people can not only be immobilized but killed. Note the kid kept saying he had a medical condition as well).

But they taser him again while he is in handcuffs. Were they too lazy or weak to lift carry him out?

Tabatabainejad was also stunned with the Taser when he was already handcuffed, said Carlos Zaragoza, a third-year English and history student who witnessed the incident.

This part below is clearly illegal:

During the altercation between Tabatabainejad and the officers, bystanders can be heard in the video repeatedly asking the officers to stop and requesting their names and identification numbers. The video showed one officer responding to a student by threatening that the student would "get Tased too." At this point, the officer was still holding a Taser.

[!Bob]

Thanks for the articles aguy2die4. I am going to be doing some emailing to the Dean (or whatever is the American equivalent). Outrageous.

[Ali_reza]

And last but not least, Tabatabainejad is a UCLA student.

[aguy2die4]

And last but not least, Tabatabainejad is a UCLA student.

Yes thats true. Thats probably why he refused to leave initially. Like I said he probably felt indignant. However, the UCPD is within their rights, even duty bound to make sure he leaves the library if he has not id card after 11pm. Its designed to keep homeless people out and is also a security issue.

The most significant part is that he was leaving once threatened with backup. Call for backup is enough for most people to comply with the police. The incident should have ended right there. Instead it escalated out of control resulting in what amounts to 4-7 tasering of a guy, who probably never dreamt he could get tasered for giving some lip. Poor kid, guess how violated he must feel. He is never going to trust the police ever again.

If he was imply handcuffed and dumped outside, that would have been fine also. Bouncers at clubs do it all the time without the even the need for handcuffs. Its not like the kid was taking swings at them either. Police are trainned to cary out people who go limp, becasue protesters are trainned to go limp (in order to not be brutalised by the police).

[Ali_reza]

FYI

The subject is being vastly discussed in the Politic and current events forum :

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=438478

[aguy2die4]

one does have to wonder how much all this has to do with the fact he is Iranian American.

did the police over react becasue he was Iranian American?

either way i will be very interested to see how this turns out in terms of disciplinary action and compensation and increase in public awarenes of how some peoples mind have been warped into being prejudiced against Middle Eastern/Muslim americans in recent years.

[Ali_reza]

Poor kid, guess how violated he must feel. He is never going to trust the police ever again.

Yes can't imagine the concequences on him.


Police are trainned to cary out people who go limp, becasue protesters are trainned to go limp (in order to not be brutalised by the police).

Yes. Makes you want to ask those morons why they're over bodybuilded ??

I really hope their will be some serious sanctions towards those cops. I count mostly on the iranian community in clifornia and the UCLA students to take this into justice.

[Ali_reza]

one does have to wonder how much all this has to do with the fact he is Iranian American.

did the police over react becasue he was Iranian American?

either way i will be very interested to see how this turns out in terms of disciplinary action and compensation and increase in public awarenes of how some peoples mind have been warped into being prejudiced against Middle Eastern/Muslim americans in recent years.

I'm sure this has some influence in the incident, but i've heard the LA police is one of the most violent in the US. I saw a documentary once (don't remember what it was exaclty), but the mentionned this.



Edit : the cops were from the UCLA police department and not the LA police departement. But still they are sworn police officers under the californian penal code.

[aguy2die4]

FYI

The subject is being vastly discussed in the Politic and current events forum :

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=438478

jesus, there are some people there who are condoning this. Did they watch the same video footage?

this is exaclty why the jury system often does not work. you get approx. 7min long video footage beginning from the point where the kid being stopped and being tasered for the 1st time, out of many to follow, ending with the police threatening tasering on bystanders who are asking for their badge numbers, with multipe eye account witnessess made up of totally reliable people, i mean what more can you ask for! and yet you get this bullshit "the kid deserved it".

imagine serving on the same jury with one of these guys. hope they get tasered the next time they get a speeding ticket and decide to give lip to the cop.

[Txtriathlete]

What I find rather stupid, is the police officer asking him to stand up right after he s been tazered, for those of you who have no idea what being tazered is like, its practically impossible to do so.

[valanjak]

There are a lot of corrupt police officers in the US , I am not surprised to see this video but I am glad someone taped this to show this to the world , and seeing other students in the video defending the kid and asking the police officers for their badge numbers is encouraging . This kind of reminds me of the time when I almost got arrested in Philadelphia airport when I was coming back from England , the officer was talking to me in a manner that was disrespectful and I , l so I told him to stop talking to me like that and then the situation just got worse , I asked for his badge number and the next thing I know the guy is pulling out his handcuffs and threatening to arrest me , so I just walked away but I was so mad , it was really hard for me to walk , specially when the cop is a chubby 20 year old looking kid.

[valanjak]

What I find rather stupid, is the police officer asking him to stand up right after he s been tazered, for those of you who have no idea what being tazered is like, its practically impossible to do so.
That’s not true , in most cases you can stand up but there have been some instances where it demobilizes the body for up to 15 minutes , so the cops should have been asking can you stand up , instead of tasering the poor kid 5 times in a row and repeating CAN YOU STAND UP while your tasering him. They have at least 4 officers at the site , why not pick the kid up? He is handcuffed so he isn’t a threat to anyone , but this all could have been avoided if the officers first asked the kid to prove that he was a UCLA student , your on the computer so go to your UCLA account and show them you’re a student .

[yimmy]

Edit : the cops were from the UCLA police department and not the LA police departement. But still they are sworn police officers under the californian penal code.

Eh, I bet most of those campus cops are police academy rejects or dudes who couldn't get hired by a regular city police department.