Heroes and Villains

[Alan_V]

Okay DS, you've rated me into it. :D

Heroes - Anybody coming back from adversity. Smudge has always been a hero due to his never say never attitude and pure hustle (Coincidently, Pete Rose was my favorite ballplayer during his time). Ole for his resilience and Gabby for his resilience ad determination as well.

Villians - People are people and some make it, some don't. I con't believe anyone who has worn the shirt and tried hard is a villian. Not O'Shea, Richardson, Kleb, nobody. They make mistakes, but tha't just part of the game. That's just my take on things. The only true villian in my mind is Jon Obi Mikel. Never played in the shirt, but Utd did own his contract. You all know the rest. He's s**t!.

[holytoledo]

Okay DS, you've rated me into it. :D

Heroes - Anybody coming back from adversity. Smudge has always been a hero due to his never say never attitude and pure hustle (Coincidently, Pete Rose was my favorite ballplayer during his time). Ole for his resilience and Gabby for his resilience ad determination as well.

Villians - People are people and some make it, some don't. I con't believe anyone who has worn the shirt and tried hard is a villian. Not O'Shea, Richardson, Kleb, nobody. They make mistakes, but tha't just part of the game. That's just my take on things. The only true villian in my mind is Jon Obi Mikel. Never played in the shirt, but Utd did own his contract. You all know the rest. He's s**t!.

I would single out Richardson as a player who does not always "try hard" as you say.

[Republic of Mancunia]

So I've been putting off any sort of contribution in this thread as I knew it would be a long one and even a prompt from DS via PM couldn't get my arse in gear. Speaking of DS, I don't know how he does it, I feel exhausted after typing this up. Anyway, finally got round to it even though it's a little late and interest in the thread seems to have died down.

Heroes

Bryan Robson - My first footballing and United hero. By the time I went to my first ever game Robbo was already a player I'd heard a lot about. In those days, jeez I'm making myself sound like an old man, games weren't shown that often on t.v. so most of what I knew was passed down to me from my father so knew he was a player to look out for. To be fair, I was still quite young at the time and probably wasn't able to make good assessments of players but even if I hadn't been told that he was someone to keep an eye on I'm sure it wouldn't have taken me long to realise just how good he was, he stood out that much. Scoring goals in each of the first two games I ever attended at the back end of the 86/87 season didn't exactly hurt his chances of winning a place in my heart either.

There have been countless expressions coined to describe Robbo over the years, "Captain Marvel", "driving force behind the team", "complete midfielder", "great leader of men", etc, and no doubt this has been used before but when I was growing up he was Mr. Manchester United to me. He really did have it all, and gave his all on each occasion I was fortunate enough to see him play, a characteristic that is important to me in judging a player to this day which he played no small part in although it takes a hell of a lot to live up to his level.

Committed and brave, strong in the tackle, great forward surges, spectacular goals, and a good range of passing, he was an all-action type of player that strained every last sinew for the cause. He was never the type to go missing or shirk responsibility and it was perhaps that great attitude of his that unfortunately led to some of the many injuries he picked up during his career. When I first starting visiting Old Trafford it was only sporadically, and this happened to coincide with a few relatively injury-free seasons for Robbo. By the time I started going regularly (89/90) the knocks, both minor and major had begun to take their toll and he was perhaps beginning to show signs of fading out. I wish I'd seen him more at his very best in the flesh, so to speak, rather than having to catch up on some his outstanding performances a little later in life on video but do feel lucky to have seen him at all.

I met him a couple of times too when I was a youngster, once at a book signing to launch his "Bryan Robson's soccer Annual 1989" and once at a meal in one of the suites at Old Trafford. I still remember him making fun of Viv Anderson "For having a girl's name" at said function whilst talking to him and getting his autograph. Made me laugh at the time anyway and did nothing to detract from his hero status as many times I've heard how people are disappointed when meeting someone famous that they admire.

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Brian McClair - Despite my affection for Robbo, he was the player who "I'd be" when playing football as a kid. When scoring a goal I'd pick up the ball and run back to half-way line with it tucked under my arm in an attempt to emulate him. For a while I even copied the way he'd clear his nose which wasn't exactly well-mannered as he'd press down on the side of one nostril before blowing snot out of the other. Having already stated that in my early days of watching United, perhaps my ability to recognise good players wasn't the best so he was easy to pick out through his goals.

A great first season saw him become our first player to score twenty or more league goals for two decades, George Best being the last to do so prior to that in the 67/68 season. That fact, as well as seeing some of those goals go in really put him in my good books. George Best was a mythical figure to me in those days, still is today for that matter but was even more so back then as I'd seen very little of him so to match an achievement that was last accomplished by a legend was something special in my eyes. At that time, twenty years was also an unimaginable period of time for me and that it hadn't been done in so long made it a great accomplishment too. He won our player of the season for that year and I can still remember getting a poster that listed that very achievement over the summer in my junior membership pack for the following season which was put up on my bedroom wall where it remained for a number of years afterwards.

Whenever I went to a game in those days we had a nasty habit of falling behind to an early goal for some bizarre reason before making a comeback and either drawing 1-1 or winning 2-1 or 3-1. It was McClair who often found himself on the scoresheet during these games so it was almost inevitable that he'd become a hero to me as it was so common for him to save the day.

A couple of less prolific seasons followed, especially 89/90 but he was back on good goal scoring form during 90/91 and again in 91/92 where we came so close to winning the title and would've done if not for taking just four points from our final five league games during a period of crazy fixture congestion. I was, however, lucky enough to be at Wembley for the League Cup final that season where Choccy bagged the only goal of the game.

When he dropped back into midfield I really admired the way he just got on with the job, no questions asked and stayed loyal to the club when the number of appearances he made started to decline. As well as scoring many a goal as an individual it also showed him to be a team-player and in my eyes which was something else to look up to.

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Mark Hughes - So strong and such a battler. Like Robson, Hughes' commitment could never be called into question. The man would often be involved in what looked like trench warfare against opposing centre halves as when the ball was played up to him it would end up with a free kick being awarded one way or the other much of the time. He was never afraid to give as much he took and just about the only way he could be knocked off the ball was through fouling him. Sometimes defenders talk about "letting a forward know you're there" by going through the back of them early in a game to hopefully put them out of their stride. This would only serve to fire up Sparky even more and he must have been a nightmare to play against. You'd certainly know you'd been in a game if you were marking him and he'd always be willing to put his body in harms way for the good of the team. It was precisely this that helped him win great affection in my heart and that of thousands of others.

A typical Hughes sight would be for him to receive the ball with his back to goal, and on the occasions when no free kick was given, shrug off his marker and then play an expansive pass to either wing to help us launch an attack. The amount of goals that we scored as a result of this happening during the build up must be very high. Those passes out to the flanks showed a good level of vision, something that I think that is sometimes overlooked when people talk about him.

Then there were the volleys. When he hit one of his thunderbolts the ball stayed hit and he has to go down as the best exponent of that particular skill I've ever seen.

There was just no giving up in his game either and he'd always fight until the very end too, a characteristic summed up very well by his equaliser in the FA Cup semi-final of 1994 with his goal against Oldham. Another great example of this would be the day we fought back against Liverpool one season at Old Trafford to grab a 2-2 draw after being 2-0 down with Hughes bagging both goals. All three of those goals were something special. The one against Oldham, a volley that despite not being a typical Hughes blast was a volley nonetheless and showed great control and technique as he guided it into the corner whilst off balance and leaning back. One of the goals against Liverpool was a volley too but was again slightly untypical of the man as he lifted the ball over Bruce Grobelaar as it dropped over his shoulder catching him (Grobelaar), unaware. The other goal against Liverpool being a brave diving header at the near post. Three great goals produced when we most needed them sums him up well for me and he was the type of player you'd always be glad was on your side and not that of the opposition.

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Peter Schmeichel - An absolute mountain of a man who is often said to have instilled great confidence into the back four in front of him also instilled it into this particular fan. When a striker is one-on-one with a goalkeeper I more often than not expect the end result to be a goal and usually get a sinking feeling in my stomach as an air of inevitably sets in that we are about to concede. When the same situation happened with Schmeichel between the sticks I always thought that the prospect of us conceding was nearer to 50/50 and he always gave me hope.

What's to be said about the great Dane that hasn't already been said by others? Such a presence and an imposing figure who must have made the goal look tiny to opposing strikers, superb agility for a big man both in reaching for the top corners of the goal and in recovering quickly to his feet to make a double save, barking instructions at his defenders to make sure they didn't switch off and castigating them when they did, the famous "star-jump", intense concentration, awesome distribution which saw his great throwing ability launch many a counter attack and he even scored a goal for us once!!. Never have I seen our goal be in such a safe pair of hands, literally, and I doubt I ever will again, he had it all for me.

There were many memorable saves from Peter, one of my favourites coming away to Rapid Vienna in the Champions League where diving to his right, he managed to scoop the ball up and away from danger, almost from behind his large fame following a powerful downward header that looked like it had defeated him at first, a save very reminiscent to a famous one that Gordon Banks once made from Pele. Another great one came at Highbury away to Arsenal when diving one way to save a shot the ball was deflected and he managed to contort his body as his momentum was sending him in the wrong direction before reaching out with one of his giant hands and pawing the ball away.

Perhaps his best ever performance came at St. James' Park the season we went head-to-head with Newcastle for the Premiership crown. He was amazing that night and there was an air of "Thou shalt not pass" about his display, keeping us in the game on numerous occasions before Cantona eventually notched the only goal of the game. He absolutely refused to be beaten during that one and gave as good a display as you're ever likely to see. Without him in goal for that game we may never have gone on to clinch the title that season, who knows?

On a personal and slightly fantastical note there was a time where I was sat in the Family Stand at Old Trafford, close to the player's tunnel. After games Schmikes would always clap the fans as he walked off and although I now realise I was being slightly delusional there was more than one occurrence of when I thought he was looking at me in particular when he was showing his appreciation for our support. I was only a youngish teenager at the time, well that's my excuse. :o:

Despite the obvious twinge of sadness that Roy Keane wasn't able to play in the Champions League final of '99 I couldn't think of a better person to lift the trophy in his place than Schmeichel and was very happy for the fella. Ryan Giggs' goal in the FA Cup semi final replay was obviously important to us ending up with the treble but so was Schmeichel's penalty save from the same game. Down to ten men and a penalty awarded against us the signs looked bad but there he was, producing the save that gave us belief again before Giggsy weaved his magic.

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Eric Cantona - is without a doubt my all-time favourite United player. After being shunned in the past by clubs back home in France and by their national team too then getting sold to us before he'd fully established himself at Leeds, (we all know the rumours surrounding that one), there was truly the sense that Eric was our hero and ours only. He was a two-finger salute to everyone else in football, not just because of his maverick ways but also because no-one else had quite been able to harness his immense talent and get him to perform on a consistent basis the way we did. Grateful for that, he received demi-god status from us supporters and was worshipped accordingly, something which he lapped up. There was a feeling that there was real two way love affair going on, with Eric loving United, Old Trafford and the fans as much as we loved him.

The final piece in the jigsaw in our quest to end a long barren period without a title, the man could do no wrong for me and I was definitely a fanboy. I defended him to the hilt in the aftermath of the kung-fu kick incident at Crystal Palace and throughout his subsequent ban. Each of his red cards picked up whilst playing for United were either bad decisions or were the result of justifiable actions in my eyes too and they all added to his mystique. An anti-establishment figure that went against the grain. He was a rebel with a cause and that cause was United. I loved that side of him and firmly believe that Eric just wouldn't have been Eric without it.

Arrogance is often a trait I dislike in people with the only exception being when the arrogance is backed up by supreme ability, something which I felt he had. I can only imagine how he must have wound opposing fans up and it brings a smile to my face just thinking about it.

First class ball control, great touch and technique, wonderful vision and awareness, scorer of memorable goals a-la-Hughes and many important ones too are just some of the terms I'd use to describe him. He'd also often look like he had so much time on the ball and although he'd sometimes go through games producing very little, defences couldn't switch off against him as he'd usually produce at least one moment of magic per match, you just never knew when it was coming.

It was a sad day for me the day he announced he was going to hang up his boots and was a surprise, just as it was to many others too. It wouldn't have been Eric to go out quietly and in retrospect I can see why he decided it was the right time to call it a day. I think he felt personally responsible for our failure to reach the Champions League final after missing some good opportunities in the semi final against Borussia Dortmund that you'd usually expect him to tuck away and he perhaps saw that game as a sign that he may be about to decline. He retired whilst still at a relatively high level and with somewhat of a bang as we lifted another Premiership title.

My favourite Eric goal would probably be a strange selection to some. It came on Andy Cole's United debut against Blackburn in January of '95 which was the season we were embroiled in a title race with them with Rovers eventually clinching it in the end. A United attack had broken down and Giggs chased down their full back before sliding in, disposessing him and immediately springing to his feet before crossing a ball to the far post for Eric to head in the only goal of the game. That goal gave me genuine belief that we'd go on to win the league that season but unfortunately it wasn't to be. What I liked so much about the goal was that my vantage point in the ground was looking directly over Eric's shoulder and I watched how he was able to arc his run as he picked up the flight of the ball before nodding it home.

Eric, I salute you. Thanks for the memories. :)

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Andrei Kancheskis - Like an express train on the wing, Andrei was another favourite of mine and actually made me want to learn a little more about my roots. Although from different countries or states as they were back then, just like Andrei my dad is originally from the former Soviet Union and he decided to write a letter to him in Russian wishing him good luck when he first signed. Andrei took time out to write back and I thought it was really cool that a footballer would be sending mail to our house and instantly began to like him. That sparked more of an interest in me wanting to learn a little more about my father's side of the family and where he came from etc.

As far as his footballing skills went he was so difficult to stop when he built up a head of steam. It would often be said that Andrei ran around like a headless chicken at times without much purpose or sense of direction but when he got it right he was an absolute menace and was a full back's worst nightmare. I suppose his trademark would be him beating his marker for sheer pace before cutting in and flashing the ball across the face of goal low and hard. It was such a difficult ball to defend against and he knew it, making use of that kind of play time and time again.

A superb weapon to have on the counter attack was our Andrei and if Schmeichel managed to catch one of the opposition's corner kicks he'd be ready and waiting to receive the ball near the half way from a quick throw out to lead the charge down the field. It got so silly at one point that I actually began to anticipate our opponents winning corners. He'd run, run and run some more and often tired himself out in the process which wasn't exactly surprising as he covered so much ground.

He contributed a fair amount of goals too but had a funny habit of shooting straight at a goalkeeper before knocking in the rebound and it's something I remember with a little amusement. He did exactly that a couple of times in the game he's most famous for which was when bagging a hat-trick as we beat city 5-0. That wasn't the only type of goal he could score and he did have a powerful shot on him which he used to good effect with a few long range strikes during his time here.

A useful player to have whether chasing down opponents, pulling defenders out of position with his dynamic running or going at them full tilt and causing all kinds of problems.

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Ryan Giggs - Reading the youth and loan players thread it is apparent that some of you enjoy following the progress of potential future stars for the club and I'm no different. I was fortunate enough to see a very young and raw Giggs (Wilson), play on two occasions, once for Salford Boys and once for England schoolboys with both games taking place at Old Trafford. It would be a lie if I were to say that I knew he'd end up being a United great when watching him back then but am still a little smug over the fact that I got to see him before many other reds.

Poetry in motion in full flight with the ability to keep the ball under super-tight control when dribbling. A great sense of balance too that allows him to go either inside or outside of defenders and always leaves them second guessing and not quite sure what he's going to do next. Goals, assists, workrate, longevity of service and a sense of modesty all help him to win a place in my good books. There can't actually be many out there who are not fans of his.

Occasionally I feel I may have taken him for granted during his time here and it's only when you take a look at his stats for number of appearances in particular that you begin to realise exactly how much of a contribution Giggsy has made to United not just compared to other recent/current players but compared to all players that have ever worn the shirt.

There's alot more I could say about him but will leave it at that as he's recently had his own apprecition thread in the "micro-cosm of our legendary winger" thread and I'd just be boring everyone to death by echoing the sentiments and repeating much of what was said in there.


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Paul Scholes - An unnasuming model professional who quietly goes about his business and conducts himself very well both on and off the field, it's easy to have affection for the ginger prince. Throw in his uber-intelligent play, perhaps with the exception of deciding whether or not to throw himself into a tackle and it becomes easier still. Even those rash tackles are something that I find hard to get worked about as there is just so much to like about the man and his game.

His knack of arriving late in the box, often unmarked, is no accident and is a skill that has been honed over years which I would argue is a sign that he is truly an intelligent player. Good feet when in posession and the ability to find space in tight areas are another with vision and creativity too. When "on" he also has the ability to control the tempo of the game and seems to play with a little spring in his step. Throw in some strikes from long-range during his time here and you've got the makings of a top attacking midfielder.

I've always felt that he's perhaps struggled to get the recognition he deserves but it is understandable as many of his best attributes are subtle in nature and Scholes isn't exactly they type to go and blow his own trumpet.

I feared for him last season when he was going through his vision problems and was afraid that he might be forced into retirement. It's so pleasing to see him back on form this term and is arguably the player of the season so far with maybe only Ronaldo preventing him from taking that crown at this current juncture.
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Ruud Van Nistelrooy - If goals on their own were enough to make me a fan of Choccy then it's a good enough reason for me to have Ruud as a hero too. The man was an absolute asassin in front of goal and I've never seen anything like it. Clinical finishing both domestically and in Europe as he gobbled up chance after chance. When he got the ball there was only one thing on his mind and that was to hit the back of the net, just lethal.

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That will do for now and I could probably add a few more too but they'd be honourbale mentions rather than true heroes. I'll leave the villains part alone for now and may come back to it at a later date even though I'm struggling to think of many off the top of my head that I could include in that category. There are some players who I have liked less than others whom I am indifferent about and some who have done the odd very minor thing that hasn't gone down too well but there are very few, if any, that I could honestly class a villain in my mind. Besides, I'm fecked and can't be bothered typing anymore.

[Sapphire]

Great post, RoM. I have a question. You refer to Giggs as Wilson at one point -- I know that's his father's last name. Do you know when/why he changed it? Just curious and can't seem to find any info with a quick Google search.

[Stud83]

Great post, RoM. I have a question. You refer to Giggs as Wilson at one point -- I know that's his father's last name. Do you know when/why he changed it? Just curious and can't seem to find any info with a quick Google search.

I think the story is - his parents divorced when he was young and since he was raised by his Mom, he figured it'd only be right to carry her name.

[Sapphire]

I think the story is - his parents divorced when he was young and since he was raised by his Mom, he figured it'd only be right to carry her name.Makes sense. Thanks.

[WorldCup_Fanatic]

Great post, RoM. I have a question. You refer to Giggs as Wilson at one point -- I know that's his father's last name. Do you know when/why he changed it? Just curious and can't seem to find any info with a quick Google search.

he doesn't like his dad. read where he said he'd been an abusive drunkard. sorry to be so blunt.

[StrikerCW]

Heros:

1. Eric Cantona:
You can't help but love a guy who is so into himself on the pitch that he does this:







Thats it, nothing, who the ******** stands around a looks like an imbecile after scoring an amazing goal? THAT is Eric Cantona, that is United for me (apparently not for most everyone else though) the holier than though attitude that I bring to smack downs when I support my team against others. When your good your good. He's also a pretty good player..

2. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
"And Solskjaer's done it" NFT

3. Roy Keane
After he is a very controversial figure (as is my first choice for that matter), when I do actually get a chance to play midfield and don't screw it up, I try my best to be Keane. I have seen not many players with the drive, will, determination, stamina, leadership, etc that I see in him in the older days. He typified what it is to be the hardworking central midfield general for me. Not afraid to get in a say what he means for the team, or get the job done when he needs to. Also not a pansy man and is going to stand up for himself and his team on the way to victory.

4. Ryan Giggs
Similar to Keane, but on the wing, hard worker, winner, very talented. The best winger of his generation for my money. Has the spirit of United in him and is always for the club. If I play winger.. well you get the picture.

5. Cristiano Ronaldo
Loved by many, hated by most. This applies to the United fanbase mostly, because most others hate him. I love to watch him play, and although he is a weird one off the pitch (and sometimes on) I just can't get over the excitement of his play. I heart it so much. :rolleyes: I really don't play like him though.

Hated:

1. John O'Shea
He did good nutmegging Figo and all his first season, but since then regardless of reasons, he is has been utter rubbish. I have no earthly idea why Fergie keeps him on the field. He rarely adds anything except for a lucky break every now and again. He should be out of the door and is keeping others from coming into it.

2. Gary Neville
Loved by many, not by me. Although I am sort of a fullback, I do NOT like the way he plays. He is consistent and a good member of the team; that is not to say that I have to like him. He is ugly as sin, slow and adds not much to the offense (yes, I know he does, but not in the way that I like to see, yes I know he can cross). He has no leadership abilities yet is given the captainship for lack of other leaders on the team. Once again, not that I really hate him, I just don't like him.

3. Neo-Alex Ferguson
Ooooh, ahhhh. A stupid pick maybe, but he has frustrated me so much in the past 3 years it is ridiculous. I realize the extent to which he has helped this club, which is why I say Neo-Alex. And I also accept the great season we are having now, but there are just some things that I can not come to terms with personally (O'Shea, Silvestre, Fletcher IMO and co) and also other decisions that have been made that I didn't like. It's just a pet peeve, I guess...

there you have it, flame away

[WorldCup_Fanatic]

Heros:

Hated:

3. Neo-Alex Ferguson
Ooooh, ahhhh. A stupid pick maybe, but he has frustrated me so much in the past 3 years it is ridiculous. I realize the extent to which he has helped this club, which is why I say Neo-Alex. And I also accept the great season we are having now, but there are just some things that I can not come to terms with personally (O'Shea, Silvestre, Fletcher IMO and co) and also other decisions that have been made that I didn't like. It's just a pet peeve, I guess...

there you have it, flame away

No flaming necessary. I'm ambivalent towards "new Alex" meself. If not for his shenanigans with the horse-racing crap, we may not now be indentured to the motherfrigging Glazers!

[holytoledo]

2. Gary Neville
Loved by many, not by me. Although I am sort of a fullback, I do NOT like the way he plays. He is consistent and a good member of the team; that is not to say that I have to like him. He is ugly as sin, slow and adds not much to the offense (yes, I know he does, but not in the way that I like to see, yes I know he can cross). He has no leadership abilities yet is given the captainship for lack of other leaders on the team. Once again, not that I really hate him, I just don't like him.


I fairly sure Gary has more then his fair share of haters, mostly on Merseyside ;) . But the fact is, he bleeds United. He has the passion for the club that you wouldn't find in two people combined. You may have some of a point for the captaincy, but I think Fergie knows that there is no one more loyal in the team.
I'm not going to flame you, I figured Mtp07 or Numquam will take care of that. :D

[Numquam Moribimur]

I'm not going to flame you, I figured Mtp07 or Numquam will take care of that. :D

Oi! You bastard :D But i don't get how you can hate on Gary Neville but hey it's your call


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[holytoledo]

Oi! You bastard :D But i don't get how you can hate on Gary Neville but hey it's your call


Especially if you're a United fan! If you support someone else I can see disliking him but if you're a United fan how can you not love him!

Stand up if you love Gary Neville!
:D :D

[StrikerCW]

Its mostly his play style. He is steady eddy and all go and no show, but what can I say... I listed Ronaldo as one of my favorites.

[holytoledo]

Its mostly his play style. He is steady eddy and all go and no show, but what can I say... I listed Ronaldo as one of my favorites.

So if Gary did a stepover you'd like him then? :p :D

[StrikerCW]

So if Gary did a stepover you'd like him then? :p :D
Probably :)

[benni...]

Villain: Wayne Rooney. Why? Because of people like Jasper, Sirmanchester and others who see him do no wrong. He can have a shit game, and if he tackles back, thats still good enough for everyone else. He dives, and no one ever sees it. He makes horrible decisions, and he's shit in Europe. His petulent side is another reason. If it were a female who stepped on another mans balls, then yea, but come on dude, your nor a female. He punches ppl in the head, but its never an issue.

On the skill side of his game, its good, but honestly, he's just bullish on the pitch with good, not great technique. Players like Messi, and Ronaldo who dont have his physical gifts appeal a bit more to me. He has a hammer shot, but doesnt know when to use it.


Im grateful for the times he has won us matches and such though.




Hero:

Roy Keane, someone with such grit, and fight but superb technical ability. Accurate passing, long and short, and rarely miscontrols a ball. Knows how to work the midfield better than anyone.

Ruud, nothing needs to be said.

Scholes because the way he is playing now, and the way he played before... still amazes me. I can see why he left England. Watching some of their old international games, he looked like he was too good for them. Everyone apart from Owen was static.

Rio Ferdidnand and Ronaldo because many of his own supporters slate him.

[holytoledo]

Villain: Wayne Rooney. Why? Because of people like Jasper, Sirmanchester and others who see him do no wrong. He can have a shit game, and if he tackles back, thats still good enough for everyone else. He dives, and no one ever sees it. He makes horrible decisions, and he's shit in Europe. His petulent side is another reason. If it were a female who stepped on another mans balls, then yea, but come on dude, your nor a female. He punches ppl in the head, but its never an issue.

On the skill side of his game, its good, but honestly, he's just bullish on the pitch with good, not great technique. Players like Messi, and Ronaldo who dont have his physical gifts appeal a bit more to me. He has a hammer shot, but doesnt know when to use it.




Laugh.

[Fandando]

Villain: Wayne Rooney. Why? Because of people like Jasper, Sirmanchester and others who see him do no wrong. He can have a shit game, and if he tackles back, thats still good enough for everyone else. He dives, and no one ever sees it. He makes horrible decisions, and he's shit in Europe. His petulent side is another reason. If it were a female who stepped on another mans balls, then yea, but come on dude, your nor a female. He punches ppl in the head, but its never an issue.

On the skill side of his game, its good, but honestly, he's just bullish on the pitch with good, not great technique. Players like Messi, and Ronaldo who dont have his physical gifts appeal a bit more to me. He has a hammer shot, but doesnt know when to use it.



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[MtP07]

Villain: Wayne Rooney. Why? Because of people like Jasper, Sirmanchester and others who see him do no wrong. He can have a shit game, and if he tackles back, thats still good enough for everyone else. He dives, and no one ever sees it. He makes horrible decisions, and he's shit in Europe. His petulent side is another reason. If it were a female who stepped on another mans balls, then yea, but come on dude, your nor a female. He punches ppl in the head, but its never an issue.

On the skill side of his game, its good, but honestly, he's just bullish on the pitch with good, not great technique. Players like Messi, and Ronaldo who dont have his physical gifts appeal a bit more to me. He has a hammer shot, but doesnt know when to use it.


Im grateful for the times he has won us matches and such though.


:rolleyes:

[Karloski]

Villain: Wayne Rooney. Why? Because of people like Jasper, Sirmanchester and others who see him do no wrong. He can have a shit game, and if he tackles back, thats still good enough for everyone else. He dives, and no one ever sees it. He makes horrible decisions, and he's shit in Europe. His petulent side is another reason. If it were a female who stepped on another mans balls, then yea, but come on dude, your nor a female. He punches ppl in the head, but its never an issue.

On the skill side of his game, its good, but honestly, he's just bullish on the pitch with good, not great technique. Players like Messi, and Ronaldo who dont have his physical gifts appeal a bit more to me. He has a hammer shot, but doesnt know when to use it.

cukoo"!??*...dribble...dribble..

Do we have a doctor on this forum.