Mexico en las eliminatorias rumbo el mundial 94

[LMvCP]

i ran into another book from Jose Manuel Flores Martinez. He is an old timer that has worked for La Aficion and Ovaciones as well as narrating numerous tournaments. Some of you guys may remember him.

This is actually from his book El Tri en los Mundial [La Aficion. 1993] in which he reaccounts Mexico qualifiers through every World Cup (but more so 1994) and other polemic events. I just ran into this book a couple days ago. I am a big fan of this author's works. I have "El Mundo Raro del Futbol" and "Hubo una vez un campeonismo" in my collection and they are great reads.

anyhow, i just wanted to post this so that you guys may read. He talks about Hugo's inclusion into that 1994 team.

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[Perndog2006]

wow.. hugo made alot of enemies for his lack of discretion.. almost lavolpesque.. Hugo is a great futbolero... his activities outside the soccer stadium is what did him under.. what a pity.. y tambien los cangrejos trying to bring him down succeeded thanks to hugos attitude... wtf.... its like maradona bringing himself down with all the cocaine.. but instead huguito brought himself down with this mouth..

[Pirru]

El Mundo Raro del Futbol
great read

[el-choul]

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting read. Anywhere I can get one of his books in the US?

[LMvCP]

wow.. hugo made alot of enemies for his lack of discretion.. almost lavolpesque.. Hugo is a great futbolero... his activities outside the soccer stadium is what did him under.. what a pity.. y tambien los cangrejos trying to bring him down succeeded thanks to hugos attitude... wtf.... its like maradona bringing himself down with all the cocaine.. but instead huguito brought himself down with this mouth..

he did not make enemies for his lack of discretion, he made them because he was an easy target. Unfortunately, as the author stated, those who speak the truths are categorized as presumptious.

Only now is the FMF realizing what Hugo said back 20 years about what things need to be done to improve our football.

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I wish I had more time to scan these pages (there are some 20 pages that go into detail about the group going into the 94 world cup). That section of the book starts off with the sacking of Lapuente and the hiring of Menotti and all the little dirty dealings going on.

It gets interesting here because it goes into great detail the transition of power, where Emilio Maurer committed some shady dealings, booting Televisa (when they had a valid contract) and gave the rights to the NT to Canal 13. As a result, Mexico was playing its games in Estadio Azul (known Azulgrana as well).

Talked about how Maurer never called up Galindo or Sanchez because those 2 publicly stated thier discomfort with how the NT was being handled (and rightly so--this was a year after the 90 WC when Mexico). Beto Aspe was not also being taken into consideration.

I remember that the players wanted a hold out shortly before the 93 Copa America because they did not like the idea of the draft and and not having control of thier contracts. Hugo was seen as the instigator of all of this. This scandal was known as the "esquirol". What I did not remember was the entire incident and this book goes into detail. All of the players were holding out, but then one day Carlos Hermosillo, Manuel "Chepo" de la Torre, and Ruiz Esparza (the bald ex puebla player who is some politician for PAN) went to Maurer and Paco Ibarra's office and went against their teammates.

Naturally, many of them were mad as those 3 (especially Galindo and Sanchez).

The author goes into detail that when Mejia Baron called up Hugo, that Hugo never put any type od demands like it was rumored. That is when the author kind of goes into a tangent that many things are said about Hugo that are untrue or things just to belittle him. The one thing that he mentioned that I did not know was that even when Hugo was just a teenage kid who was already being dubbed the golden child...he had detractors saying that he was a cachirule for the 75 Cannes tournament. He was 16 years of age and over 18 as some reporters had commented.

another thing that was brought up was his importance to the team after he was brought in. out of the 17 goals that the Mexican NT scored, he was directly involved in 11 of them.

[LMvCP]

El Mundo Raro del Futbol
great read

it is.

he has a section that goes into a great deal about the 82 WC qualifiers.

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Amazing how the brainiacs in the FMF could just give away home field advantage to central americans FAs. From the questional officiating to the bad treatment our FA gets in those places.

[Panfilo]

He just brought back memories.

Watching the old tapes and thinking to myself pinche Colombiano no era falta del Abuelo Cruz, era gol. (The W. Germany game in 86)

Mexico should have won that game.

******** the Colombian

:mad:



edit- no offense Sid

[LMvCP]

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting read. Anywhere I can get one of his books in the US?

i dont know.

My mom came into town a week ago and she brought me back more books. She was in DF and she got it at some book store on Donceles St (the street is famous for having a bunch of bookstores that have many out of print material).

That is where i get most of my stuff and local flea markets,

[elvasco]

Watching the old tapes and thinking to myself pinche Colombiano no era falta del Abuelo Cruz, era gol. (The W. Germany game in 86)

Mexico should have won that game.

******** Colombia
It was a colombian reefere???
I guess it was his way to stick to mexico because fifa took the world cup from colombia and gave it to mexico.......... fifa can be blamed for that as well....:rolleyes:

and reading those scans no wonder why hugo calls them ********ers cangrejos, we should get those scans and stick them up jose ramon fernandes' ass among with all of the people that think like he does......:D

[LMvCP]

It was a colombian reefere???

yup.... his name is Jesus Diaz Palacios.

the WC was taken from them and he took it from us :(

[Panfilo]

yup.... his name is Jesus Diaz Palacios.

the WC was taken from them and he took it from us :(

I hate the 98 and 02 ref more though.

That Portueguese f'er.

When I saw that he had the game against the U.S. in 02'.

I thought to myself, "Oh no this is a bad sign."

He misses the most blatant hand ball in the history of world!!!!!!!!

F' Vitor Melo Pereira also!!!

[elvasco]

Shit the swiss from '06 wasn't much better either, that foul on kikin should've been a stright red for Heinze...........


y como se repite la historia no?
lo digo por lo que le paso a cuauhtemoc guardando las distancias entre el y hugo le hicieron lo mismo que hugo, y ya todos vimos el resultado en el copa..........no aprendemos vamos de cagada en cagada........

[Mstr. Baitor]

Shit the swiss from '06 wasn't much better either, that foul on kikin should've been a stright red for Heinze...........


y como se repite la historia no?
lo digo por lo que le paso a cuauhtemoc guardando las distancias entre el y hugo le hicieron lo mismo que hugo, y ya todos vimos el resultado en el copa..........no aprendemos vamos de cagada en cagada........
I think it gets much too politicized...

Simply put the best players that fit into your scheme.. and run with it.

Mexico, as part of our culture, is going to have a hard time getting rid of this problem. Its in our blood, politics bussiness, and unfortunantly even futbol.

[LMvCP]

y como se repite la historia no?
lo digo por lo que le paso a cuauhtemoc guardando las distancias entre el y hugo le hicieron lo mismo que hugo, y ya todos vimos el resultado en el copa..........no aprendemos vamos de cagada en cagada........

asi es


Claro, a Menotti le garantizo 4 millones de dolares por calificar a Mexico al Mundial y no solo ello, le permitio traer su corte de ayudantes y preparadores fisicos. Lo unico que falto traer a Menotti fue a sus servientes, por que hasta periodistas tuvo a su servicio

Menotti, desde luego, es un entrenador de reconocida capacidad. Seria necio y estupido tratar de decir lo contrario. Lo que sucedio con su trabajo en el Tricolor es que se puso la camiseta de Maurer, le hizo al revolucionario y se enfrento en forma por demas insolente a los comentaristas y periodicos que no estuvimos de acuerdo con sus procedimientos. A los companeros y amigos de Televisa les sen~alaba errores de narracion, los insultaba publicamente y en cambio a sus grandes amigos comunicadores del 13, los ensalzaba.

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el mando de la FMF le fue arrebatado a E. Maurer y se estaba investigando el manejo economico con Menotti, sus auxiliares Cayetano Rodriguez, Oscar Dean y Poncini. Por esa razon, Menotti estaba poniendo demasiados pretextos, por que aras de la justicia y la verdad, los nuevos federativos en ningun momento lo presionaron ni le pidieron que se fuera. Por el contrario, manifestaron que dadas las cicunstancias, de estar en plena eliminatoria mundialista, siguira como iba.

Menotti, como era obvio, provoco su salida. Y en un triz huyo con casi 3 millones de dolares que le habia dado ya Emilio Maurer y que a la hora de la auditoria, los justifico con doble recibos y con explicaciones kafkianas. Cesar Luis prometio regresar a liquidar "asuntos pendientes", pero hasta la fecha (Nov de 1993) no lo ha hecho. Y se sabe que no tiene nada pendiente porque la residencia en le pedegral era alquilada y sus dos autos fueron vendidos, asi que en realidad no tiene a que venir.



acuerdense que Menotti piso tierras aztecas por primera desde su salida en 2003/04. Ya tenia mas de 10 an~os.

[Panfilo]

For all the crap Jose Mamon talked about E. Maurer; who sure never says anything about his pal Menotti. :rolleyes:

[John Jagou]

I wish I could say that these passages have opened my eyes, but sadly they have validated my original assumptions about why Mexico can never evolve and grow. The people in charge won't let them. It makes me sick to see that we have been a sleeping giant for the last 20 years or so, and when someone (like hugo) tries to wake it up, they are obstructed so much that in the end, they are painted as Pariahs.
What is their motivation? Is it jealousy, greed, insecurity, all of the above, or something else. Is it their absolute unwillingness to try new methods, or at the very least, learn from their past mistakes?
I know that all of us here want the team that we love to play to the best of their abilities, but it is very hard for them to do that when the decision makers burden them with unecessary weight.
I was initially not a firm supporter of Hugo as the coach of the NT, but now, more than ever, I cannot think of a better man to wake up the beast.

[Goofy]

I wish I could say that these passages have opened my eyes, but sadly they have validated my original assumptions about why Mexico can never evolve and grow. The people in charge won't let them. It makes me sick to see that we have been a sleeping giant for the last 20 years or so, and when someone (like hugo) tries to wake it up, they are obstructed so much that in the end, they are painted as Pariahs.
What is their motivation? Is it jealousy, greed, insecurity, all of the above, or something else. Is it their absolute unwillingness to try new methods, or at the very least, learn from their past mistakes?
I know that all of us here want the team that we love to play to the best of their abilities, but it is very hard for them to do that when the decision makers burden them with unecessary weight.
I was initially not a firm supporter of Hugo as the coach of the NT, but now, more than ever, I cannot think of a better man to wake up the beast.
Yeah, but then again... sad but true... every single natl team coach has the same thing in mind when they take the natl team.
Realistically, though, we are constantly fed by the media that our natl team is a world cup contender, and that is simply not true. We can pull an upset, and that's it.
COme on, I watch that commercial about the FIFA DVD, and the media is gonna make me believe mexico is right up there with argentina in soccer? PUHLEEZ!
With that in mind, the powers that be know that they can make more money out of making hugo sanchez the natl team coach, and they would name vicente fernandez coach if he had a coaching license like the one hugo bought at a thrift shop in nicaragua.
In conclusion, federates are gambling on this: If Hugo's company fails, he shuts the f up; if his coaching company wins something, yay. That is why his company will be hired for just 1 year.

[Perndog2006]

Yeah, but then again... sad but true... every single natl team coach has the same thing in mind when they take the natl team.
Realistically, though, we are constantly fed by the media that our natl team is a world cup contender, and that is simply not true. We can pull an upset, and that's it.
COme on, I watch that commercial about the FIFA DVD, and the media is gonna make me believe mexico is right up there with argentina in soccer? PUHLEEZ!
With that in mind, the powers that be know that they can make more money out of making hugo sanchez the natl team coach, and they would name vicente fernandez coach if he had a coaching license like the one hugo bought at a thrift shop in nicaragua.
In conclusion, federates are gambling on this: If Hugo's company fails, he shuts the f up; if his coaching company wins something, yay. That is why his company will be hired for just 1 year.

hugo already failed with necaxa.. he had a credible chance in this tournament to get necaxa qualified to la liguilla but his tactics failed.. he bunkered down and hoped for the counter attack

[LMvCP]

hugo already failed with necaxa.. he had a credible chance in this tournament to get necaxa qualified to la liguilla but his tactics failed.. he bunkered down and hoped for the counter attack

credible chance?

You do realize that he took charge of the team in the 11th match day of the season?

The previous coach (and interim) had acquired 10 points in 10 matches. How can you call that a credible chance? Be a bit more objective.

The 1st place team (Toluca) still has not qualified for the playoffs and we are in the last matchday of the season. And you expect a coach who took charge of a team with 10 points well past the halfway point of the season to be in good standings?