100% Werder Bremen thread 06/07 (part 2) [R]

[The Liquidator]

100% Uefa



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[Brandon313]

very upset, i went to watch the game in a sportsbar, and i have to say that i believe the officiating was terrible. I believe The second goal was offsides (first goal was just plain good). We had to capitalize on our chances which we didnt. Whenever we had a break we either shot it into the keeper, or 20 ft wide. Did you guys see those shots by Klasnic and Hunt??? some of the worst ive ever seen!

we played alot better in the 2nd half, and i think if the second goal wasnt there, we would have had enough incentive to come back and tie it.

[ForeverRed]

It's really irrelevant whether he was offside or not, Bremen was unfortunate not to capitalize on their many chances. I know its difficult and as an avid supporter of German football, I feel for Werder fans but you have to be confident going into the UEFA Cup because you guys gave Chelsea and Barca a great run for their $$$$. I'm sure a lot of Barca fans pissed their pants before this game and throughout the group.

I thought Fritz had a really good second half. I also think Bremen would have been better off had Hunt started instead of Almeida.

Wasn't the ref a Spaniard from Switzerland?

[footyfan1]

very upset, i went to watch the game in a sportsbar, and i have to say that i believe the officiating was terrible. I believe The second goal was offsides (first goal was just plain good). We had to capitalize on our chances which we didnt. Whenever we had a break we either shot it into the keeper, or 20 ft wide. Did you guys see those shots by Klasnic and Hunt??? some of the worst ive ever seen!

we played alot better in the 2nd half, and i think if the second goal wasnt there, we would have had enough incentive to come back and tie it.


You know what? Someone ping me when all the freakin' whining stops and someone wants to talk about a f#cking GUTSY Werder performance in one of the hardest places to play in the world.

The second goal was NOT OFFSIDE, proven over and over by TV replays and even confirmed by the Premiere analysts including Ottmar Hitzfeld, who I am pretty sure knows the freakin' offside rule.

Werder never gave up. Kept trying to play their game and created some chances.

Barca were just too good for them in the first half and Werder controlled the second. They just could not score.

I have nothing but praise for Werder Bremen for their performance in this group.

But I'm already tired of the whining. They simply lost to a Barca team who did what they had to do to win.

[BlinderPassagier]

Sorry guys, tough luck.... I was supporting Werder all the way, though. This was a tough group to begin with.

[jadger]

And if that's what you think, I suggest you read the entire offside rule. Gudjohnsen was onside when the final pass before the one to him was made.

Once they moved past the Werder defensive back line and were in on Wiese, Gudjohnsen only had to stay behind the ball, which he did.

The German announcers even call it a good goal.

Werder will win the UEFA Cup. Their performance deserves praise, not this f#cking whining.

No he wasn't watch the replay buddy, ESPN commentators said it was offside by far after we'd seen the replay like 3 times(if we are going to go by what commentators say). he was a good 5 feet behind the back line when the ball was played to his teamate who subsequently passed to him

But I'm already tired of the whining. They simply lost to a Barca team who did what they had to do to win.

if you're tired of the whining, you can just ignore this thread then. you don't have to argue with ppl, we all know who won. rather than coming to our threads and rubbing it in our faces go and talk about it on Barca threads

[krelmatrix]

I'm extremely disappointed with the result and especially Werder's first-half performance (that cost them the game, no shakey officiating), but I'm not heartbroken. The UEFA Cup is only a consolation prize, but I'm still going to be watching every game intently, and I think we've got a great chance to win it. Now I'm really rooting for Manu to get knocked out tomorrow night since it could lead to a Werder Bremen - Manchester United final next spring. :cool:

I won't even comment on the first half, as it was by far the most pitiful performance by Werder that I've seen all season. They are lucky it wasn't 3-0 or 4-0 at halftime.

The second half was encouraging...perhaps even satisfying, despite the loss. Much better control in the midfield and the defense looked solid. The attack just couldn't ever get it together. Why the hell is Almeida starting?! Klose needs a solid partner up front to help create chances for him, and Almeida just doesn't cut it. Hunt has been good, but doesn't seem to be able to go a full 90 (yet), and Klasnic has been way too streaky this season to be dependable. Is Zidan going to be an improvement whenever he's back? He's hardly played enough this season to show much of anything. He'll need time to get up to speed. More than anything, Werder needs to bring in a solid strike partner for Klose (and a potential replacement when he probably gets sold in the summer)...Schlaudraff?

Diego seemed his usual dangerous self in the second half. That bicycle kick of his would have been near-gamebreaking had it been on target. He just unfortunately didn't have any finishing threats up front, which is important for somebody playing in his position to be truly effective.

And I've got to give a special mention to the work by Wiese lately - the guy has been making some absolutely great saves over the past few BL & CL games. I think he's given himself a big push for the national team squad...not as the primary starter (as long as Lehmann is still putting on his cleats), but possibly as the #2 guy and heir to the goal when Lehmann hangs it up.

The Bundesliga and UEFA Cup titles await! :D

[The Old Lady Hertha]

No he wasn't watch the replay buddy, ESPN commentators said it was offside by far after we'd seen the replay like 3 times(if we are going to go by what commentators say). he was a good 5 feet behind the back line when the ball was played to his teamate who subsequently passed to him



Thats passive offside.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Mmmm not a good performance by Wome today, Klose was unlucky. But the team gave a good account of themselves. Too hard to play Barca at home and especially even worse when they collectively shat themselves in the first 20 minutes

[squidward123]

footyfan, i'm not whining.

all i am pointing out is that gudjohnsen was 5 metres offside when the ball was played out to giuly. since he later got involved in the play, he should be called offside..

but point is that bremen weren't good enough overall, despite being the better side in the 2nd half.

but i think next year bremen can go very far in the CL if they keep the team together. they can probably win it

[squidward123]

hertha: what do you mean klose was unlucky?


as for the passive offside, it should have been called offside because he interfered with play afterwards. so its not passive anymore

[96Squig]

Well, you had your chances. No go and win that goddam uefa cup!

[Brandon313]

footyfan, you really dont have to be such a jerk. We are all very upset about the loss today. Do i believe that call lost the game for us? No, but i do believe it influenced it. Looking up and seeing a big 2 next to Barcelona instead of a 1 can be a little unnerving. deffinately when they were both scored within 5 minutes of each other.

I dont believe our 1st half performance was good at all, and Wiese saved our butts quite a few times throughout the match.

I am more than proud of our guys, they put up a hell of a fight in the titled "Group of death" by far the most difficult group. And we hung in with the best of them. I am just dissapointed about missing out on the round of 16 again. so close yet so far again. I just hope it gets more people talking about German football. it proves that team compatibility and less payrole can hang with the big budget clubs.

I just couldnt stop thinking of the possibility of waking up on wednesday and looking at the paper and seeing "Bremen Stun Barca". It would have been a huge plus for German football to have us beat out the league champs

[Brandon313]

hey guys, since i only speak very basic German, its hard to stay 100% updated with Werder, last i heard Nike was trying to get the rights to produce their kits...does anyone have the lowdown on this??

[LebenslangGruenWeiss]

Best of wishes in the UEFA Cup, you guys will be going in big favorites.

I hate the UEFA Cup right now and it's because of the whole crappy system.

favorites for the UEFA cup? great! So it would be an even bigger dissapointment now if we don't win that either!?

Let's be realistic here: just 7 years ago the club was close to getting relegated to the lower devision. That's a time when 90% of the posters on this board didn't give a sh!t about Werder.

[Guti™]

Wasn't the ref a Spaniard from Switzerland?

Massimo Busacca is half Italian, half Swiss.

[shinyyy]

hertha: what do you mean klose was unlucky?


as for the passive offside, it should have been called offside because he interfered with play afterwards. so its not passive anymore
Wow, hardly anyone understands the offside rule. And I wonder why I get yelled at so much when i referee.

Gudjohnssen was offside when the ball was played to Giuly. If the ball had been played to him instead of to Giuly, the call would have been made.
However, It is not an offense to be in an offside position
Once the ball is played to another player, where Gudjohnssen was when the previous play happened makes no difference whatsoever, because when he was in an offside position, he was not actively involved in play. It does not matter if he was standing beside Valdes in the Barca goal or if he was next to the corner flag, as long as he is onside when he becomes actively involved in play, there's no violation of the rule.

He was behind/even with the ball when Giuly passed it to him, so it was a legit goal.

And it's kinda silly to complain about that one when Barca could have easily had another goal after the same Gudjohnssen waltzed through our defense but hit the post and Giuly had a muscle spasm on the rebound.
I was tearing my hair out watching this game, but it was only because I couldn't believe we wasted the chances that we did. The officiating was good, perhaps even a bit lenient to us after he saw that players were going after Diego.

But now the objective is to win the UEFA Cup and, more importantly, the Bundesliga.

[squidward123]

so what you are saying shinyy is that it doesn't matter that gudjohnsen got a 5 metre head start over the defence?

but that has to be a flaw in the offside rule then?

a guy can run up the field and camp himself 10 metres behind the defence when the ball is in the other half and the defence are playing a high line...

....then someone can play a ball to a guy like giuly on the right (and the right winger is onside), and he can outrun the left back and cross it into the guy who was 10 metres ahead of him...who scores..

of course the centre forward has to run back a little bit and get himself behind the right winger, but that still leaves the centre backs lagging way behind as the right winger is running at full pace and catches up the 10 metres in no time, leaving the centre forward to come back only 1 metre, while the defence is still about 6-7 metres behind as they didn't have the full head of steam that giuly did...


as a ref what do you think of this scenario? just want to know if this is allowed

[The Old Lady Hertha]

The ref is just following the rules. I guess technically that could happen, but its not very tactical to have someone that far up the field because usually in such a formation where there is a CF and 2 wing forwards, he holds up the ball (think Luca Toni in the Italy NT).

As to that needing to be addressed...I don't think so. The flow of the play is important to the entertainment value of the sport, and in the first 25 minutes Barcelona were irresistable thanks to more than incompetent defending by Werder (looking at Wome), the creative genius of Ronaldinho, the impeccable running and timing of Giuly and a stalwart defense which gave Werder no chance bar the Jensen fluke shot. The only reason Barca did not go 4 up on Werder was a couple of good saves by Wiese and absolutely shocking finishing by Gudjohnsen and Giuly after the second goal. 2-0 was probably nice to Werder at halftime.

[squidward123]

hertha i actually thought that the situation in today's game was more advantageous for the attacking team than the one i described, because it happened to close to the goal.

its not a great rule at all but that was really bad defending from wome. if he had done his work then gudjonsen wouldn't have got the ball. he just had to distract giuly somewhat; not even block him off.

werder were not good enough today overall, even though in the 2nd half they were better than barcelona. Actually hertha they didnt have the wide open chances (apart from almeida's miss off jensens shot), that barca had for the 2nd goal and for the giuly miss, but werder had several half chances while barcelona only had one in the 2nd half. But they didn't take those chances to make up for their first half.

i hope the team stays together for next season and beyond. It's still a young team age wise and i think they can win the CL next year if they do.