Italian clubs get their penalties reduced

[sinner78]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6093348.stm


are there going to be anymore reductions in the penalties?
the original punishments have been reduced drastically.
I guess they arent bothered about cleaning up corruption in the league and having a fair contest.

[dor02]

When an EPL fanboy such as yourself tries to question the standard of Italian football, a thread like this doesn't have any serious merit. There is corruption in England, just in case you haven't realised. There have been all these shift payments between coaches and agents so don't always try to portray Italian football in a bad way.

Hypocrite.

[sinner78]

When an EPL fanboy such as yourself tries to question the standard of Italian football, a thread like this doesn't have any serious merit.


Easy there ,gino .
You dont have to be an Italian (or a wannabe in your case) to enquire about the Italian corruption case.
Im not questioning the decency of the entire nation of italy.
just the teams who got caught ,ok??
you can stop foaming at the mouth now and put down your can of fosters.


There is corruption in England, just in case you haven't realised. There have been all these shift payments between coaches and agents

I didnt even make a comparison between the two leagues did I??
Payments to agents compared to match fixing and intimidation is apples and oranges .But I guess you wanna shift the topic away from juventus' rampant cheating and rule breaking .The fact that they rigged everything they "won" and are now having all their penalties stripped away gradually .



so don't always try to portray Italian football in a bad way.

Always??
this is the first thread ive done about italy EVER.
A simple enquiry about the case is greeted by this sh1t.


Hypocrite.

Id only be a hypocrite if I was an open supporter of corruption in england.
or a supporter of match fixing .If I ever stated anywhere that corruption is ok you can point me to it ,skippy .

[Regency]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6093348.stm


are there going to be anymore reductions in the penalties?
the original punishments have been reduced drastically.
I guess they arent bothered about cleaning up corruption in the league and having a fair contest.

OT - Any good places to watch soccer in Vegas?

[lanman]

When an EPL fanboy such as yourself tries to question the standard of Italian football, a thread like this doesn't have any serious merit. There is corruption in England, just in case you haven't realised. There have been all these shift payments between coaches and agents so don't always try to portray Italian football in a bad way.

Hypocrite.

Let's wait and see what the outcome is of the ongoing investigation into possible transfer irregularities. If punishments are handed out for any wrong doings and then reduced again twice then we have something comparable.

[Clan]

Let's wait and see what the outcome is of the ongoing investigation into possible transfer irregularities. If punishments are handed out for any wrong doings and then reduced again twice then we have something comparable.

Then again, will transfer bungs and winning by match fixing be comparable?

I'm with Sinner on this one, regardless of the outcome, they're apples and oranges.

[lanman]

Then again, will transfer bungs and winning by match fixing be comparable?

I'm with Sinner on this one, regardless of the outcome, they're apples and oranges.

In terms of how the respective FAs deal with illegal activity then there can be a comparison (although I highly doubt the report will come up with anything concrete). I do agree, though, that the severity of the offences would not be comparable.

[Clan]

In terms of how the respective FAs deal with illegal activity then there can be a comparison (although I highly doubt the report will come up with anything concrete). I do agree, though, that the severity of the offences would not be comparable.

In terms of comparing illegal activity, our FA won't give us anything t ostand on.
There'll be huff and puff, lots of bluster.....and no action.

Inaction = our FAs mo.

Now, if there was to be some sort of earth shattering miracle, and some of the old codgers in our FA actually woke up and gave out some sort of punishment, I would bet a years wages that they wouldn't make a mockery of things by reducing the punishment several times on appeal.

Sinner is quite correct in saying the Italian FA are giving a very poor stance on how much they'll abide outright illegal activity in their league.

[leg_breaker]

If there was evidence of bung-taking, and the penalties were continually reduced, then you might have a point.

If the Italians carry on like this, Juventus will end up entering the CL knockout rounds.

[dor02]

Id only be a hypocrite if I was an open supporter of corruption in england. or a supporter of match fixing .If I ever stated anywhere that corruption is ok you can point me to it ,skippy.And you I think I'm supporting corruption in Serie A? I support the Serie A but I don't like this stuff of match-fixing and transfer bungs. I can't ignore these things. They do exist. My problem is that a lot of English fans on these boards point out the bad points of Italian football (whether it is corruption, the standard of Italian clubs or the Italian style of playing) more so than any other base of fans and exaggerate more on these things.

Here's the result anyway:

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct27o.html

I think I know what going to come out of your mouth next.

[sardus_pater]

The real problem is that under italian laws the teams can appeal to administrative justice (TAR) and FIFA warned the italian federation that if this was going to happen all the italian clubs could suffer sanctions (ie being excluded from international tournaments).

So the italian federation was obliged to try and find an accomodation while the guilty teams knew they had a strong leverage thanks to FIFA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Serie_A_scandal

Juventus announced that they planned to appeal the punishment to the Italian civil courts, an action that may bring further punishment to the clubs and the FIGC by FIFA.

FIFA has historically taken a dim view to government involvement in football administration.

Earlier in 2006, FIFA briefly suspended the Hellenic Football Federation due to draft Greek legislation that would have allowed for government supervision of football.

FIFA has announced that it has the option to suspend the FIGC -- thus barring all Italian clubs from international play -- if Juventus goes to court [22]. The hearing was scheduled for September 1.

However, Juventus dropped its appeal before the Lazio Regional Administrative Court (TAR in Italian) on August 31, the day before it was to be heard. Juve officials cited the "willingness shown by the Italian Soccer Federation (FIGC) and the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) to review its case during (CONI's) arbitration". [23]

So, say thanks to FIFA for allowing these teams to have a strong blackmail weapon vs the italian federation (FIGC).

And the teams are still menacing to go the TAR court.

[Clan]

So, on top of the match fixing...they're now using blackmail?

[divinocodino1018]

So, on top of the match fixing...they're now using blackmail?

I don't get you English hoodlums. Do you like to pick on the Italians because you have nothing to cheer about? Do you try to elevate the EPL and National Team status because you invented soccer? In the end, it comes down to jealousy. The FIGC is trying to clean up Serie A and if you would look at the table right now, Milan and not even Roma is leading the league in points. It is Palermo, along with Inter, so hush and go dream of how Wayne Rooney can be a legend and how you guys won a World Cup over 40 years ago. Ciao.

[Clan]

I don't get you English hoodlums. Do you like to pick on the Italians because you have nothing to cheer about? Do you try to elevate the EPL and National Team status because you invented soccer? In the end, it comes down to jealousy. The FIGC is trying to clean up Serie A and if you would look at the table right now, Milan and not even Roma is leading the league in points. It is Palermo, along with Inter, so hush and go dream of how Wayne Rooney can be a legend and how you guys won a World Cup over 40 years ago. Ciao.

So....thats a 'Yes, they are resorting to blackmail'.

Cheers.

[divinocodino1018]

So....thats a 'Yes, they are resorting to blackmail'.

Cheers.

Yeah, thanks to FIFA.

Cheers.

[Sagy]

So, on top of the match fixing...they're now using blackmail?
If someone's moral compass says that match fixing is acceptable, why are you surprised that they also find blackmail acceptable?

[dor02]

I don't get you English hoodlums. Do you like to pick on the Italians because you have nothing to cheer about? Do you try to elevate the EPL and National Team status because you invented soccer? In the end, it comes down to jealousy. The FIGC is trying to clean up Serie A and if you would look at the table right now, Milan and not even Roma is leading the league in points. It is Palermo, along with Inter, so hush and go dream of how Wayne Rooney can be a legend and how you guys won a World Cup over 40 years ago. Ciao.All of the truth is here.

It sums up all of the stereotypical EPL fans. Dreamers and hypocrites. Where's them two idiots toonboy and Neo1? The above descirption fits them perfectly.

One more thing:

Italy = 4 stars

England = 1 star

Honestly, it's about time that you anti-Italian pricks ignore the stereotypes and actually try to point out the positives. You may come with a comeback saying "this thread isn't about the NTs" but I know most of you want to talk about 1966 and that Wayne Rooney is the guy help you win number two.

Maybe I do want to show some respect for the EPL but if we are going to hear a plethora of anti-Italian sentiment, why bother?

[thebigman]

theres cheating in all leagues im willing to bet

im amazed the italians wernt caught out earlier

[lanman]

All of the truth is here.

It sums up all of the stereotypical EPL fans. Dreamers and hypocrites. Where's them two idiots toonboy and Neo1? The above descirption fits them perfectly.

One more thing:

Italy = 4 stars

England = 1 star

Honestly, it's about time that you anti-Italian pricks ignore the stereotypes and actually try to point out the positives. You may come with a comeback saying "this thread isn't about the NTs" but I know most of you want to talk about 1966 and that Wayne Rooney is the guy help you win number two.

Maybe I do want to show some respect for the EPL but if we are going to hear a plethora of anti-Italian sentiment, why bother?

I can't speak for anyone esle, but for me there is no anti-Italian sentiment going on. This is all about an FA buckling to the pressure of the clubs when it should be taking the hard line and seriously try to eliminate corruption. If it were happening in England then I would be outraged at our FA.

[blackjack]

All of the truth is here.

It sums up all of the stereotypical EPL fans. Dreamers and hypocrites. Where's them two idiots toonboy and Neo1? The above descirption fits them perfectly.

One more thing:

Italy = 4 stars

England = 1 star

Honestly, it's about time that you anti-Italian pricks ignore the stereotypes and actually try to point out the positives. You may come with a comeback saying "this thread isn't about the NTs" but I know most of you want to talk about 1966 and that Wayne Rooney is the guy help you win number two.

Maybe I do want to show some respect for the EPL but if we are going to hear a plethora of anti-Italian sentiment, why bother?

Nobody in this thread is talking about which league is better, or which league is more or less corrupt. The problem here is that there has been a problem discovered in Italian football. Perhaps there are problems in England and other leagues as well, but they have not yet come to light. I was pleased with the Italian FA when it handed out the initial punishments. But the fact that those punishments have now been reduced twice shows that the FA is giving in to the bullying of Juventus. An FA should serve as a neutral force trying to establish a competitive and fair playing field. When one club (or several) is able to bully it into reducing punishments it had already imposed, it shows that the FA cannot act neutrally.

The English FA has punished Chelsea repeatedly for certain offenses. These include "tapping-up" Ashley Cole, players failing to respect referees' decisions, and fans engaging in bad behavior away to Fulham. All of these decisions were appealed, and none were reversed or had their punishments watered down.

We're not saying that England's not corrupt. We are saying that the Italian FA needs to do its job and punish offending clubs appropriately, without going back on its decisions under pressure from powerful clubs.