Mijailovic ban for McCarthy abuse

[Silveradinho]

I am not a Rovers fan, but I am against racism. I can't believe this incident and everything surround it have not been discussed in this part of the forum. Do you condone racism? I hope not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/6089214.stm

[Revelian]

I am not a Rovers fan, but I am against racism. I can't believe this incident and everything surround it have not been discussed in this part of the forum. Do you condone racism? I hope not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/6089214.stm

Racism is always going to be a problem, but that does not mean that it should be tolerated, and football is no exception.

I'm glad that Rovers and UEFA acted swiftly and strongly, handing out this ban. Whether the player is a racist, or just a sore loser (or a mix of both), he does not deserve to play for a long while.

Now, if only there were a way to punish racist fans from performing monkey chants, that would be very positive and would make the whole situation seem far less hypocritical.

Revelian

[HypoLuxa]

Racism is always going to be a problem, but that does not mean that it should be tolerated, and football is no exception.

I'm glad that Rovers and UEFA acted swiftly and strongly, handing out this ban. Whether the player is a racist, or just a sore loser (or a mix of both), he does not deserve to play for a long while.

Now, if only there were a way to punish racist fans from performing monkey chants, that would be very positive and would make the whole situation seem far less hypocritical.

Revelian

Ageed 100%. Until the racist fans are prosecuted and/or banned from attending the matches the problem with racism will not go away altogether. I find that the most disturbing part of football today and in some countries there is no effort to eradicate it. England, which has long been held as the posterchild for hooliganism is doing everything it can to get it out of the sport and have done a great job so far. There is still some work to do but comparatively they are model examples of how to get rid of racism.

Also just because we don't talk about it doesn't mean we're racist...hopefully that was a tongue-in-cheek question from Mr. Silveradinho...

[trzy]

Twats, you are liars. Racist abuse blah blah blah, its so easy to uefa to ban player from Easter Europe but there was no evidence and player said that mccarthy just lied. But uefa had to show that their anti-racism campaign works so they puinished poor club just to make a little show of it. Im waiting for uefa to give such a harsh punishment without ANY EVIDENCE for english, spanish or italian player or club. But Ill be waiting forever. I had nothing against you but now I just hate your little mccarthy prick, so you see you dont fight with racism, you create it.

[Revelian]

Twats, you are liars. Racist abuse blah blah blah, its so easy to uefa to ban player from Easter Europe but there was no evidence and player said that mccarthy just lied. But uefa had to show that their anti-racism campaign works so they puinished poor club just to make a little show of it. Im waiting for uefa to give such a harsh punishment without ANY EVIDENCE for english, spanish or italian player or club. But Ill be waiting forever. I had nothing against you but now I just hate your little mccarthy prick, so you see you dont fight with racism, you create it.

What kind of evidence do you want? Should we have microphones on all the players now?

Of course the player would say that McCarthy lied - he must be lying himself to get out of the trouble he has just put himself in.

To be honest, he doesn't sound like a bloke filled from top to toe with moral fibre - you and he should get together. You both appear to have quite a bit in common.

Revelian

[Alan_V]

Twats, you are liars. Racist abuse blah blah blah, its so easy to uefa to ban player from Easter Europe but there was no evidence and player said that mccarthy just lied. But uefa had to show that their anti-racism campaign works so they puinished poor club just to make a little show of it. Im waiting for uefa to give such a harsh punishment without ANY EVIDENCE for english, spanish or italian player or club. But Ill be waiting forever. I had nothing against you but now I just hate your little mccarthy prick, so you see you dont fight with racism, you create it.

Let's see. The ref put it in his match report. That means that either the 4th official or an A/R heard it or he heard it himself. What shocks me is that it appears for that evidence, that the ref has no authority within the laws of the game to dismiss a player for racially abusing another player during the match.

[Revelian]

Let's see. The ref put it in his match report. That means that either the 4th official or an A/R heard it or he heard it himself. What shocks me is that it appears for that evidence, that the ref has no authority within the laws of the game to dismiss a player for racially abusing another player during the match.

Maybe there is nothing actually written in the rules, but the rules can be bent.

Racism can fall under ungentlemanly conduct, so a player can be sent off.

Either that, or a bald French geezer will head-butt the racist in the chest.

Revelian

[trzy]

Let's see. The ref put it in his match report. That means that either the 4th official or an A/R heard it or he heard it himself. What shocks me is that it appears for that evidence, that the ref has no authority within the laws of the game to dismiss a player for racially abusing another player during the match.
Nope, he did not, in fact he put that he didnt notice any sign of racism there. Yup.

You really cant understand why Uefa gave Wisla such a harsh punishment without any, ANY evidence? Poor eastern club is perfect place to do this, its in Europe so everyone can see how hard uefa "fights" against racism but uefa will do nothing if similar "incident" will happen in reach english, spanish, italian club. Uefa made show because they know we cant do nothing about that and they wont lose anything punishing us.

Money rules the world, maybe one day you will feel helpless like Wisla fans right now so will understand what Im talking about. There is no justice, there are money but I wish you to still lead a life of your ingnorance and never feel such a bitterness as a "worse" in Europe that is doll in uefa anti-racism show.

[SMUPlayer]

You really cant understand why Uefa gave Wisla such a harsh punishment without any, ANY evidence? Poor eastern club is perfect place to do this, its in Europe so everyone can see how hard uefa "fights" against racism but uefa will do nothing if similar "incident" will happen in reach english, spanish, italian club.

What do you want? Do you want Uefa going after Barca, Arsenal, Chelsea, AC Milan, etc.? What happens if they don't do anything wrong? Then how are they supposed to punish the "big" clubs? It doesn't prove anything.

Punishing people or entire clubs for racism is a little foreign to me. I wish that more of this would happen here in the States. I am not sure how much it goes on, but I know that it does. From people on the (American) football field using the n-word to players using slang to down grade white players on the basketball court, I am convinced that this goes on in more than one sport, and I applaud FIFA and the surrounding bodies for doing something about it.

[HypoLuxa]

Hey trzy, no offense but when your own fans shout racist chants and wave racist banners do you really think FIFA's going to take one of your players' word over McCarthy's? I'm not saying this is why Mihailovoc was banned, but it doesn't give YOU a leg to stand on at all. You want to complain that it's all about money, well until you clean up your own fans (not just Wisla Krakow but the whole Polish League) then you can't come on here saying you were unduly punished.

Saying that, I don't believe a player should be guilty by association just because he plays in a league or for a team that supports racism and/or hooliganism, but what I am saying is that YOU trzy and any one of your fellow fans that feel hard done by need to step back, clean up your own house and THEN you can come and complain about Big League/Club bias. Until then, good luck the rest of the way in the comp and take your conspiracy theories somewhere else.

[trzy]

Hey trzy, no offense but when your own fans shout racist chants and wave racist banners do you really think FIFA's going to take one of your players' word over McCarthy's? I'm not saying this is why Mihailovoc was banned, but it doesn't give YOU a leg to stand on at all. You want to complain that it's all about money, well until you clean up your own fans (not just Wisla Krakow but the whole Polish League) then you can't come on here saying you were unduly punished.


Dirty liest , stop lying man, that is awful that not only your players are liars but fans too. What banners?????????????? What chants?????????????? LIAR LIAR LIAR.

There was NO EVIDENCE except your player word. That was unjustice do you get it. There is nothing more to add.

And it is all about money, no offence but you are very stupid thinking that football is not about money, you are richier you have more rights.

And stop lying about Wisla fans!

This is how sick stereotypes are created. POLISH LEAGUE IS NO MORE RACIST THAN YOURS. Do you understand? Do you go to the polish games or read just british papers? Dont answer. I allready know.

AGAIN WE DO NOT SUPPORT RACISM AND HOOLIGANISM. MORON.

[Revelian]

Dirty liest , stop lying man, that is awful that not only your players are liars but fans too. What banners?????????????? What chants?????????????? LIAR LIAR LIAR.

There was NO EVIDENCE except your player word. That was unjustice do you get it. There is nothing more to add.

And it is all about money, no offence but you are very stupid thinking that football is not about money, you are richier you have more rights.

And stop lying about Wisla fans!

This is how sick stereotypes are created. POLISH LEAGUE IS NO MORE RACIST THAN YOURS. Do you understand? Do you go to the polish games or read just british papers? Dont answer. I allready know.

AGAIN WE DO NOT SUPPORT RACISM AND HOOLIGANISM. MORON.

In a way, you may have a point.....I believe, as I have said before, that racism is always going to be a problem. But at least our FA tries to do something about it, and to be honest, it seems to be working.

Families are more likely to attend matches nowadays than they would have in the eighties or even the nineties. The football match environment has changed in England. Of course there are still racists, but gradually, because of the FA's attempts to eradicate the problem, racism is decreasing and racists are few and far between - especially when compared with ten years ago - even more so when compared with other leagues in Europe.

Not too long ago, don't forget, Samuel Eto'o didn't want to finish a match because of the monkey chants.

English players received monkey chants from Spanish fans at the Bernabeu a year ago, and the British press and all good football fans were incensed.

England is leading the way in equality and anti-racism, but as you have hinted (I say hinted, but I guess I mean, blurted out!) there are numerous cases of hypocrisy in the system:

For example, if England is all about equality, why are there so few black managers. The ratios from white player-black player to white manager-black manager can only indicate a bias towards white managers, so I suppose institutional racism is still about in England. My point, however, is that at least the English FA is trying to do something about the overall picture. Sorry, if this sounds presumtuousm, or indeed racist, but I just don't see the Polish FA making such strides towards anti-racism. Correct ne, if you think I'm wrong.

Revelian

[HypoLuxa]

Dirty liest , stop lying man, that is awful that not only your players are liars but fans too. What banners?????????????? What chants?????????????? LIAR LIAR LIAR.

There was NO EVIDENCE except your player word. That was unjustice do you get it. There is nothing more to add.

And it is all about money, no offence but you are very stupid thinking that football is not about money, you are richier you have more rights.

And stop lying about Wisla fans!

This is how sick stereotypes are created. POLISH LEAGUE IS NO MORE RACIST THAN YOURS. Do you understand? Do you go to the polish games or read just british papers? Dont answer. I allready know.

AGAIN WE DO NOT SUPPORT RACISM AND HOOLIGANISM. MORON.

ok buddy, reading in this article http://www.warsawvoice.pl/view/3096/ a Polish web-site I might add, I gleaned this tidbit of information...

"Only after five years of this campaign has the Polish Soccer Association admitted that crowds at Polish soccer stadiums are riddled with racism."

Now, I never said that YOU were a racist or that ALL of Polish soccer fans are racist but it IS there. I also didn't say that the Polish League is the worst in Europe because it's definitely not. Now I was out of line in saying that there was no move to eradicate it, and I apologize for that because there is a concerted move to eliminate racism from the stands. The Polish FA has done more than the Spanish or Italian Leagues have it seems. However seeing banana's thrown on the field at non-white players at a Polish game doesn't lend itself to appearing to be a very tolerant league. I've also seen pictures of banners from domestic league games where anti-semitic banners have been flying. Do I go to Polish league games? No. Have I heard non-biased people who have? Yes. Have they given a glowing report? No. And until I personally attack you Trzy, keep your insults in your back pocket.

And let's look at McCarthy's side of things. He grew up in the cradle of racism, he played in one of the worst openly racist leagues in Europe and he's played a lot of International games in foreign countries where racism is unchecked. Then we get to the Rovers-Wisla game and Rovers win and there was no late tackle or bust up or any other incident to make either side angry. So why do you think Benni would lose his cool and start in at Mijailovic AFTER the game was over? I wasn't in the courtroom and neither were you, so to say it was ONLY Benni's word against Mijailovic is pure and simple supposition. I've read that other officials and players were eye-witnesses to the incident and I'm sure you've read reports to the contrary. Whatever the case Rovers fans weren't blowing this all out of proportion were we? We weren't calling for Mijailovic's head on a platter. We weren't asking for the Polish league teams to be banned from UEFA competitions were we? If you are upset that your team may have been punished and or punished too harshly then that's fine, but don't come on here saying that it was all done for show. FIFA is full of idiots but I seriously doubt they'd ban a player for 5 UEFA matches just because. If they wanted to send a message they'd choose an appropriate incident, and they found one. Is 5 matches too much? If the allegations are true I don't think 5 matches is enough. If the allegations aren't enough to prove then the case should have been thrown out.

Do I think this was about money? Not at all. Do I think FIFA is ruled by money? Of course. But to say that this one instance was solely done because of money is completely unfounded. What monetary gain or interest does FIFA have to rule this? Blackburn's definitely not a Big Money club. And if the allegations weren't substantiated then the English FA probably would not have backed Benni or Blackburn in the claim. So what exactly did they have to gain for taking Blackburn's side? Just because Blackburn's from a Big money league does not mean that FIFA's going to take up their cause in a bogus claim. That is a conspiracy theory, my friend and you've turned this entire incident into a shouting match between two sets of fans who didn't have anything against each other from the start.

So to end this ridiculous argument, let's just agree that there is racism everywhere and that we don't know the specifics of the case so therefore we cannot give a reasonable opinion based on fact on the final judgement. Can we at least agree to those two items?

[blkbrnrvr]

Twats, you are liars. Racist abuse blah blah blah, its so easy to uefa to ban player from Easter Europe but there was no evidence and player said that mccarthy just lied. But uefa had to show that their anti-racism campaign works so they puinished poor club just to make a little show of it. Im waiting for uefa to give such a harsh punishment without ANY EVIDENCE for english, spanish or italian player or club. But Ill be waiting forever. I had nothing against you but now I just hate your little mccarthy prick, so you see you dont fight with racism, you create it.
First of all, if you want to come over here and discuss the matter, calling everyone "twats" is a poor way to present yourself as legitimate. :rolleyes:

[Revelian]

First of all, if you want to come over here and discuss the matter, calling everyone "twats" is a poor way to present yourself as legitimate. :rolleyes:

Shut up you tw@!

Revelian

[blkbrnrvr]

Shut up you tw@!

Revelian
:D

I was being nice, actually. :p

[Revelian]

:D

I was being nice, actually. :p

In my cantry, I wud keel you!

Revelian