Expansion Draft...

[SavannahFan]

Saw this posted, wondered how DC Untied would try to adapt to these Rules

Originally Posted by KeeperNotes
Since Toronto FC will begin play as the 13th franchise in MLS next spring, the league will host an expansion draft later this year. There will be 10 rounds, in which Toronto will select players from existing teams. Each club is allowed to protect 12 players; developmental players are not available for selection. Only one player classified as a senior international can be left unprotected. No more than three players can be taken from any one team. Once a player has been claimed from a team's non-protected roster, that same team may move an additional player to its protected roster. Canadian players will count as domestic players for Toronto FC, and the team will be allowed to carry three American players plus four senior internationals.

So the question is, which 12 players would most likely be protected (remembering to include the Sr. Internationals), and then which three additonal players would be listed if three DC Untied players were to be drafted...?

[shawn12011]

Ok here is the base list to work from:


D.C. United Roster


9 Freddy Adu
32 Bobby Boswell
16 Brian Carroll
11 Alecko Eskandarian
17 Joshua Gros
99 Jaime Moreno
26 Bryan Namoff
14 Ben Olsen
4 Brandon Prideaux
19 Clyde Simms
31 Robert Ssejjemba
23 Jamil Walker
12 John Wilson
1 Troy Perkins
18 Nick Rimando

7 Matias Donnet S-I
10 Christian Gomez S-I
5 Facundo Erpen SYI

24 Jeff Carroll DEV
21 Stephen deRoux DEV
15 Rod Dyachenko DEV
22 Devon McTavish DEV
6 Domenic Mediate DEV
27 Andy Metcalf DEV
8 Justin Moose DEV
20 Matt Nickell DEV
2 David Stokes DEV
30 Ryan McIntosh DEV


15 Non S-I's to be exposed. I would bet on Robert Ssejjemba, Nick Rimando and either Jamil Walker or John Wilson to be exposed. You would not expose Erpen or Gomez and I doubt Donnet.

[BigKahuna]

Toronto, please for god's sake take Stokes from us.

[Z010 Union]

I would leave Freddy unprotected if anything further regarding a January transfer comes up

[John L]

"No more than three players can be taken from any one team."

That truly sucks - We're screwed! - Shoulda been only one or two from any one team - There's TWELVE teams in MLS - After getting dibs on Canadian MNT players, there really should be only ONE per MLS team taken

"Only one player classified as a senior international can be left unprotected."

hmm - Is Erpen a Sr Intl or a Junior (if there is such a classification)? - Are either Donnet or SSJJ considered Sr Intls? - I know many here seem disappointed about Donnet so far, but he came in late season and he's contributely greatly already in Sept - If we can keep hold of him, he'll be a significant part of our future

So - Who to leave exposed as part of our shell game? - Which key but older player to leave exposed in the hopes he won't get picked up?

Answers later

[human2006]

Three seems really harsh. I agree.

Also, I'm confused by shawn's list, because if I'm reading the rules correctly, you have to use some of your twelve cover-up thingies to protect all but one of your senior internationals. Or you could do all of them. Am I wrong about that? Also you have only 11 names underlined.

[SavannahFan]

I am betting that they would not expose any of the international players from our roster. They are required to protect all but one, but IMO they would want to keep them over some of the domestic players.

9 Freddy Adu
32 Bobby Boswell
16 Brian Carroll
11 Alecko Eskandarian
17 Joshua Gros
99 Jaime Moreno
26 Bryan Namoff
14 Ben Olsen
4 Brandon Prideaux
19 Clyde Simms
31 Robert Ssejjemba
23 Jamil Walker
12 John Wilson
1 Troy Perkins
18 Nick Rimando

7 Matias Donnet S-I
10 Christian Gomez S-I
5 Facundo Erpen SYI


Then alternates in order of Olsen, Ssejjemba, and then Adu

I agree that Adu will be a one year (and expensive by MLS standards) player that they might want to avoid anyways, and I am betting they will bet that Bennt is off their radar as well. Ssejjemba is a risk to lose, but if they can only take 3 americans, I really doubt they will take what is basically an unproven talent

[monster]

A big question is whethere this will be done before player contracts expire or after.

[Sundevil9]

Three seems really harsh. I agree.

Also, I'm confused by shawn's list, because if I'm reading the rules correctly, you have to use some of your twelve cover-up thingies to protect all but one of your senior internationals. Or you could do all of them. Am I wrong about that? Also you have only 11 names underlined.

I think you're reading it wrong.

Each club is allowed to protect 12 players; developmental players are not available for selection. Only one player classified as a senior international can be left unprotected.

A team has 4 SI slots. But you can only expose a maximum of 1 in the expansion draft.

[human2006]

So, the other SIs would use up one of the 12 protections. How could they not? Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

Edit: or all of them, if you want to protect all of them.

[Sundevil9]

Protect:

1- 9 Freddy Adu
2- 32 Bobby Boswell
3- 16 Brian Carroll
4- 11 Alecko Eskandarian
5- 17 Joshua Gros
6- 99 Jaime Moreno
7- 26 Bryan Namoff
8- 14 Ben Olsen
9- 19 Clyde Simms
10- 1 Troy Perkins
11- 10 Christian Gomez S-I
12-

7 Matias Donnet S-I
5 Facundo Erpen SYI

Does a SYI count as a developmental player? If so, then Erpen does not need to be protected, and Donnet can be protected.

Expose:
18 Nick Rimando
23 Jamil Walker
31 Robert Ssejjemba
12 John Wilson
4 Brandon Prideaux

Of this list if/when Rimando is taken, I'd protect Prideaux first.

[Sundevil9]

So, the other SIs would use up one of the 12 protections. How could they not? Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

Edit: or all of them, if you want to protect all of them.


I think the rule is to prevent some organizations like NYRB from exposing Youri (who's retiring) and one of thier other shlubs.

[aueagle1]

I would leave Freddy unprotected if anything further regarding a January transfer comes up

That would allow Toronto to select Freddy and get a large allocation for him. In the past teams have received 25% of transfer money. That could easily be a $2.5m allocation that DC would hand over to Toronto.

I would protect:

1) Perkins
2) Boswell
3) Namoff
4) Erpen
5) Carroll
6) Olsen
7) Gomez
8) Gros
9) Adu
10) Moreno
11) Eskandarian
12) Simms

Leave Donnet exposed, especially if he is making as much as I think he is. He would also be the first person that I would protect as soon as a different player was selected. I cannot see Prideaux or Rimando as being attractive selections because they are both fairly expensive players when taking into account how much they offer the team.

I am almost certain that Erpen doesn't count as a developmental player.

As 3rddegree noted in the MLS N & A thread, MLS has not figured exactly what to do with the expansion draft. I personally think that MLS should just give Toronto allocation money and let them use that to get players via trades with MLS teams, international transfers, and signing bonuses

[SavannahFan]

I just want to see what they offer Houston to get ahold of Dero, it will not be cheap...

[John_Harkes_6]

I just want to see what they offer Houston to get ahold of Dero, it will not be cheap...

My guess is they pick up a handful of Americans in the expansion draft and package them with a major allocation for Dero.

[gnat]

Wasn't there talk of American players counting as Internationals for them? If so, doesn't that mean that the best they can do is pick 6 (4 non-canadian + Dero and Onstad (not that they would be unprotected)) total? Or are there more Canadians in the league than i'm aware of?

I do agree that keeping the max from a single team at 3 is too high given that A) there are 12 teams and B) there is only one team picking.

-dave

[Sundevil9]

Wasn't there talk of American players counting as Internationals for them? If so, doesn't that mean that the best they can do is pick 6 (4 non-canadian + Dero and Onstad (not that they would be unprotected)) total? Or are there more Canadians in the league than i'm aware of?

I do agree that keeping the max from a single team at 3 is too high given that A) there are 12 teams and B) there is only one team picking.

-dave

The orginal post says that there will be 10 'rounds' so I guess it would all depend on the definition of 'round'. The term round only seems to make sense if there's multiple teams and they'd be taking turns. If it were one team, I would have just used the term 'picks'. Regardless, TFC is dealing with a limited number of picks...it's not like they'll be pulling 3 from each team.

The first post also states that Canucks will be domestic, they'll get 4 international spots like any other MLS team, and 3 US slots.

So, yes, there's 7 spots to directly fill. They could draft 10 and figure to cut some before the season starts, or they can draft and trade.

[shawn12011]

Three seems really harsh. I agree.

Also, I'm confused by shawn's list, because if I'm reading the rules correctly, you have to use some of your twelve cover-up thingies to protect all but one of your senior internationals. Or you could do all of them. Am I wrong about that? Also you have only 11 names underlined.


Misread the rules. :eek: :o



The first post also states that Canucks will be domestic, they'll get 4 international spots like any other MLS team, and 3 US slots.

So, yes, there's 7 spots to directly fill. They could draft 10 and figure to cut some before the season starts, or they can draft and trade.

Not that they would want to but they could take 7 US players and keep all 7. That would mean no Central American, South American or European S-I's though.

[Zman Gunner]

I think that there is just one spot in question - Simms vs. Donnet. The issue is whether you risk a young, cheap serviceable d-mid who has not been used a lot in the later half of the season or do you risk a high-priced SI who is just starting to make an impact in some of the games. In most expansion drafts, high priced talent is not picked so Donnet could be unprotected and likely not picked as Mo Johnston probably opts to fill his Toronto SI spots with mediocre Scots like Peter Canero. If Simms is available, he and possibly Walker will be goners.

12 Protected Players
G - Perkins
D - Namoff, Boswell, Erpen
M - Gros, Olsen, Gomez, B. Carroll, Adu, Simms*
F - Moreno, Eskandarian


6 Unprotected Players
G - Rimando
D - Wilson, Prideaux
M - Donnet*
F - Walker, Ssejjemba

10 Developmental Players (exempt from draft by Toronto)
G - McIntosh
D - Stokes, McTavish
M - Moose, J. Carroll, Dyachenko, Mediate, deRoux
F - Nickell, Metcalf

[Sundevil9]

I think that there is just one spot in question - Simms vs. Donnet. The issue is whether you risk a young, cheap serviceable d-mid who has not been used a lot in the later half of the season or do you risk a high-priced SI who is just starting to make an impact in some of the games. In most expansion drafts, high priced talent is not picked so Donnet could be unprotected and likely not picked as Mo Johnston probably opts to fill his Toronto SI spots with mediocre Scots like Peter Canero. If Simms is available, he and possibly Walker will be goners.



That's a good point about trying to get into Mo's head to expose players that aren't to his liking.

Another way to look at it is to determine just how much longer Olsen is going to be around. It's unfair to keep Simms on the bench. He could start on a handful of teams.

Also the team could take calculated risks with either/both Jamie and Ben. They've both got hefty price tags, and may have a possiblity of slipping through the draft.