Ohio GK "claims" natl. saves record

[clevelandstoker]

http://www.tribune-chronicle.com/Sports/articles.asp?articleID=9751

Total horse feces if you ask me.

[Dave Marino-Nachison]

http://www.tribune-chronicle.com/Sports/articles.asp?articleID=9751

Total horse feces if you ask me.

If a goalkeeper needs to make 20 saves per game, methinks the defense might need a little tweakin'.

[JohnR]

Frigging keepers. I'm with Paul Gardner on that subject. Bah humbug.

[Val1]

Total horse feces if you ask me.

Why?

[rossgreen]

Is this kid going to play college ball?

[amerifolklegend]

Why?

That's what I'm trying to figure out. I read tht article three times and still don't get why it's bunk.

(do the kids still use the word 'bunk' these days?)

It even specifically states that he's getting officials to veruify his saves as real saves. That tells me one thing: He's doing his best to answer people like clevelandstoker ahead of time who call the whole thing a sham even before it happens.

[ClarkC]

If a through ball gets past the forwards and rolls easily to the keeper, a professional goalkeeper is not credited with a save, because there was no shot on goal. However, the article claims that this is a high school save, because the ball would have rolled slowly into the goal "if the goalkeeper had not been there." Even this weak definition requires a judgment call: How fast was it rolling? How tall was the grass? etc.

I have always been amused to read high school box scores and see the number of saves greatly exceed the number of shots on goal.

Still, if he has the same scorekeeping conventions as every other keeper in high school, a record would still be a record. But no one keeps the stats besides his own coach. He "consulted officials" only about the definition of a save. No one else besides his coach would bother to keep track of his saves.

As for it being a national record, it is hard to believe that accurate stats are kept nationwide and that the definition is the same across all states.

[southernsoccerdoc]

http://www.tribune-chronicle.com/Sports/articles.asp?articleID=9751

Total horse feces if you ask me.


Okay so this new record is 1,142 saves. This goalie must have played for one horrible team over the past 4 years to be making basically 300 saves each season over the maximum 4 years he could have played high school. Even more amazing is the 357 saves claimed for this year up to the point the article was written. Considering he could have played no more than 15 games or so in the season, at the most, that means he is averaging more than 20 saves per game in every game. Does his defense just leave the field and let the other team practice shooting on goal the whole game? I have seen statistics for a completely one sided game where the goalie made 18 saves but have never seen the 20 save level in any high school box score, let alone average it every game. Thus I would say this is a wildly exaggerated statisitc wher they must be counting every ball that is touched by the keeper as a save. One has to wonder why they do not have better things to do, like improve the team, rather than brag about a statistic that most teams would be ashamed of.

[Davids26]

If a through ball gets past the forwards and rolls easily to the keeper, a professional goalkeeper is not credited with a save, because there was no shot on goal. However, the article claims that this is a high school save, because the ball would have rolled slowly into the goal "if the goalkeeper had not been there." Even this weak definition requires a judgment call: How fast was it rolling? How tall was the grass? etc.

I have always been amused to read high school box scores and see the number of saves greatly exceed the number of shots on goal.

Still, if he has the same scorekeeping conventions as every other keeper in high school, a record would still be a record. But no one keeps the stats besides his own coach. He "consulted officials" only about the definition of a save. No one else besides his coach would bother to keep track of his saves.

As for it being a national record, it is hard to believe that accurate stats are kept nationwide and that the definition is the same across all states.


This hit it right on the head. I played goalkeeper for three years in high school and was amazed to see the amount of saves credited to me after every season. I knew for a fact that the scorekeeper/statistician was counting anything that rolled in the box, probably even anything I picked up. After I graduated I took an assistant coaching job with the same high school and took over statistician duties, and the goalkeeper became upset when I didn't credit him with these types of saves. From my memory the most saves he'd made in one game by the professional definition was probably about 13-15, against the #2 team in the state.

Its been going on for a while in high school and reflects on the amateur viewing aspects of the people in the US. I'm sure hes a great goalkeeper, but I'd bet that at least 1/2 or maybe even 3/4ths of his saves in high school came from slow rollers and the like.