Adam Street named to England U16 squad

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Thanks to Loyola at the V's board.

http://www.thefa.com/England/U16s/NewsAndFeatures/Postings/2006/09/U16sSquadVictory.htm

Another potential loss for Canada...

Whoregreaves, Fernandes, Vitoria...De Jong? De Guzman? Street? Hughes? this is starting to get ridiculous...

[Kibby]

Thanks to Loyola at the V's board.

http://www.thefa.com/England/U16s/NewsAndFeatures/Postings/2006/09/U16sSquadVictory.htm

Another potential loss for Canada...

Whoregreaves, Fernandes, Vitoria...De Jong? De Guzman? Street? Hughes? this is starting to get ridiculous...

WTF isn't he starting in goal for us on Saturday?!?!?!?1?!?!?1?1 WTF is going on

This shit is starting to make me feel physically ill

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WTF isn't he starting in goal for us on Saturday?!?!?!?1?!?!?1?1 WTF is going on

This shit is starting to make me feel physically ill

He started for us against the US this past Saturday.

http://www.canadasoccer.com/eng/media/viewArtical.asp?Press_ID=2541

Match Info

Saturday, September 23, 2006 - International Friendly
IMG Academy – Bradenton, Florida

U17 CANADA - 0 (0)
U17 USA – 0 (1)

Goals: USA – Zimmerman (76)
CANADA: 22-Street, Adam; 2-Smith, Greg; 3-Parenteau-Michon, Colin (11-Mahli, Dalvir 66); 4-Tannous, Daniel (c); 5-Kijowski, Daniel (15-Gunenc, Devin 29); 7-Porter, Kyle (16-Traversy, Garrett 61); 8-Macginnis, Octavio (9-Sylla, Mohamed 56); 10-Hyde, William; 12-Johnstone, Marcus; 13-Leal, Erick; 14-Pena, Adrian (6-Semenets, Alex 82)
Head Coach: Stephen Hart
Subs not used: 1-Latendresse-Levesque, Julien; Straith, Adam (injured)

USA: 18-MacMath, Zac (1-Cambo, Josh 45); 2-Nelson, TJ; 3-Lee, Brandon; 4-Turk, Howard; 5-Perry, Aubrey (16-Zimmerman, Brandon 68); 7-Levry, Axel (King, Brendon 60); 8-Jeffrey, Jared (c); 10-Dominguez, Bryan (19-Gonzalez, Eduardo 11 (9-McLoughlin, Ellis 57)); 13-Garza, Greg; 15-Barrera, Danny (12-Urso, Kirk 82); 20-Sesay, Israel (Finley, Ryan 76)
Head Coach: John Hackworth
Subs not used: 6-Carter, Alonzo; 17-Gracia, Ryan

[CanuckFan]

Well I started spitting on my Betty stamps about 5 years ago. Join in.

[RamR]

Another potential loss for Canada...

Whoregreaves, Fernandes, Vitoria...De Jong? De Guzman? Street? Hughes? this is starting to get ridiculous...

I can never agree with CanuckFan's assertation that the players can't be blamed for choosing another NT over Canada. IT IS THEIR DOING and if you are a proud Canadian it is hard to not take THEIR choice as a slap in the face. By the sound of things there are plenty of 'Canadian' players good enough for consideration on other (more soccer strong) nations NTs. If each of these players took it upon themselves to represent Canada our NT would undoubtedly experience a prolonged period of success.

At the same time that I believe these players CAN be blamed I must agree with CanuckFan that the CSA has a lot to answer for as well. It is clear that at the very least they aren't doing much to encourage these players to stay. I don't know all the politics that go on (or have gone on) with the CSA but it would be nice to see a very public approach and strategy for keeping (or getting) these players in the RED and WHITE. They should be fighting tooth and nail for these guys in every which way possible... using every media source available to first herald and then openly (and unabashedly) court these guys (including on these message boards).

I have come around a small bit to the side of CanuckFan. Even though I can never find justification in any Canadian player choosing to play for another I find it even more upsetting that little seems to be getting done to change this trend. After all, the players are just kids who are easily swayed and at times unable to make reasonable decisions... not to mention the fact that their arena is the increasingly egocentric area of pro sports. But the CSA is made up of supposed adults with much more experience.

So, in conclusion, the 'adults' at the CSA have, in my mind, a lot more to answer for than these misguided youth.

[Grizzly]

I can never agree with CanuckFan's assertation that the players can't be blamed for choosing another NT over Canada. IT IS THEIR DOING and if you are a proud Canadian it is hard to not take THEIR choice as a slap in the face. By the sound of things there are plenty of 'Canadian' players good enough for consideration on other (more soccer strong) nations NTs. If each of these players took it upon themselves to represent Canada our NT would undoubtedly experience a prolonged period of success.

At the same time that I believe these players CAN be blamed I must agree with CanuckFan that the CSA has a lot to answer for as well. It is clear that at the very least they aren't doing much to encourage these players to stay. I don't know all the politics that go on (or have gone on) with the CSA but it would be nice to see a very public approach and strategy for keeping (or getting) these players in the RED and WHITE. They should be fighting tooth and nail for these guys in every which way possible... using every media source available to first herald and then openly (and unabashedly) court these guys (including on these message boards).

I have come around a small bit to the side of CanuckFan. Even though I can never find justification in any Canadian player choosing to play for another I find it even more upsetting that little seems to be getting done to change this trend. After all, the players are just kids who are easily swayed and at times unable to make reasonable decisions... not to mention the fact that their arena is the increasingly egocentric area of pro sports. But the CSA is made up of supposed adults with much more experience.

So, in conclusion, the 'adults' at the CSA have, in my mind, a lot more to answer for than these misguided youth.

The CSA has a lot to answer for yet they do not have to answer for a-s-s-hol-es like Hargreaves, DeJong and Street. These are not misguided youth, these are greedy ignorant bastards. I am really starting to appreciate Holger's attitude of either you play for us or you don't. Maybe he could have been more lenient in the case of Radz (who was scoring goals in Champions League against ManU) and let him miss a few games but in the case of a Reserve/Youth team player or a Roda Kerkrade player they should either play for us or not. I don't want these guys on our team. They don't represent Canada and they don't represent me. Better to lose with real Canadians like Friend (who at the moment is far more developed than either Street or DeJong) than play with this s-h-i-t on our team. Even Bircham was in my opinion far more Canadian than these two a-s-s-ho-les. I think the CSA should tell them if they play a game for Holland or England they are out of our national team picture. Dwight Yorke played for T and T because he is Trinidadian and loves his country. I want players like him on our team and F_uCK the rest.

[Googs67]

The CSA has a lot to answer for yet they do not have to answer for a-s-s-hol-es like Hargreaves, DeJong and Street. These are not misguided youth, these are greedy ignorant bastards. I am really starting to appreciate Holger's attitude of either you play for us or you don't. Maybe he could have been more lenient in the case of Radz (who was scoring goals in Champions League against ManU) and let him miss a few games but in the case of a Reserve/Youth team player or a Roda Kerkrade player they should either play for us or not. I don't want these guys on our team. They don't represent Canada and they don't represent me. Better to lose with real Canadians like Friend (who at the moment is far more developed than either Street or DeJong) than play with this s-h-i-t on our team. Even Bircham was in my opinion far more Canadian than these two a-s-s-ho-les. I think the CSA should tell them if they play a game for Holland or England they are out of our national team picture. Dwight Yorke played for T and T because he is Trinidadian and loves his country. I want players like him on our team and F_uCK the rest.


You embrace Bircham who basically did the same things that OH did. You have to be constistent there buddy.

Why would any decent youth player want to play for an Association that picks Steven Hart as it's national team coach? even as a temp, there is something seriously laughable in that. I mean the guy's big resume line was that he coached a provincial Canada Games team.

And Nova Scotia at that! I mean had he coached an English Non-League club for a week long tournament in Wales, I could see it...

Until the CSA starts treating soccer as a business- and not as a buddy club, players have every right to walk. The CSA has to prove that it is serious about the sport and WINNING before we can turn our venom onto savy 16 year olds who want to win.

It's up to guys like you- to get that mentality change happening at the CSA by boycotting all National team events.

[Grizzly]

You embrace Bircham who basically did the same things that OH did. You have to be constistent there buddy.


I don't embrace Bircham at all. First of all he was marginal player for us and second of all he is no more Canadian than Hargreaves is English. The rules should be changed so that players can not do what the two of them did (though there is a difference between Bircham and Hargreaves in that England did not want him). Yet if other countries are going to poach players we have to do so ourselves until the rules are changed. My point is though, whether or not Bircham should have played for us, given that he did he represented us with a lot more honour than DeJong or Street.

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Do unto others as you would have them do to you. or something like that...

If we poach players we're just as bad. I don't think Bircham should ever be called back up, that was a mistake. Jack Stewart should be investigated and if he's a dubious link, then no way either. That goes for guys like Edgar Bartolomeu (remember him!?), etc. Will Johnson being born here, well, that's a little sketchy...Tony Menezes was maybe not as bad cuz he lived here til he was 10 or 11 i think...it's all a grey area, but Canadian soccer cannot cry about other countries poaching if we're doing the same. Stil...this Adam Street episode stinks like a week old corpse in the heat of summer.

[Grizzly]

You have to play by the rules and if poaching is allowed we have to do it because all of the teams competing with us are doing it as well. This doesn't mean you can't complain about the rules being faulty or advocate them being changed. If other teams are going to poach our players we have to do the same. The biggest problem is that teams are poaching our best players while we are getting mediocre players in return. The cases of DeJong and Street add a new element though in that these are actually players who have played for our national team and who in effect are playing for two teams at the same time.

[RamR]

Grizzly has hit the nail right on the head on two accounts.

The biggest problem is that teams are poaching our best players while we are getting mediocre players in return.

Anyone who actually convinces themselves that the rules are the same for everyone is highly delusional. On paper the rule might look the same for everyone but in practice it far from equal. Top nations poaching top talent from lesser nations and lesser nations feeding on the hasbeens or never were's of top nations or similarly mediocre quality from other lesser nations is not my idea of an equitable system. In fact it seems to be a system in place to keep the same top ten teams succeeding time and again.

The cases of DeJong and Street add a new element though in that these are actually players who have played for our national team and who in effect are playing for two teams at the same time.

This is in fact an understatment. Rather than being a new element this insane. Comparing to hockey (on an albeit different scale and situation) if a junior aged player plays one game in the CHL they are banned from ever playing in the NCAA. Making that decision at 15 or 16 is tough but done hundreds of times every year. Are you telling me that a 16 soccer player isn't able to make up their mind as to which nation they wish to represent? If that's the case, then don't play for anyone until you are ready to decide. Doing anything else is taking the piss and FIFA has to put an end to this insanity.