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PoshSpur
27 Sep 2006, 02:07 AM
http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1881584,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=5



Very very interesting column.

Be sure to read it all though.

DigitalTron
27 Sep 2006, 02:45 AM
Nice catch Posh! Yeah, I like the fact that they seem to be keeping all options open for a new stadium, and the fact that they're actually working on doing something.

-Digital

PoshSpur
27 Sep 2006, 05:38 AM
Nice catch Posh! Yeah, I like the fact that they seem to be keeping all options open for a new stadium, and the fact that they're actually working on doing something.

-Digital



...Oh, and by the way (btw for those of you who are new), even though ENIC own under 35% shares in Tottenham Hotspur PLC, Joe Lewis owns a further 38% under various company names.

These people know their stuff.

Danners9
27 Sep 2006, 12:50 PM
C'est interessant.. I'll read this when I can, saving it for future reference.

Ahhh, it's from David Conn. I met him last year, he DOES know his stuff. Man City fan, trained in law before getting into the journo thing. He's also written a couple of books about football as a business. The Beautiful Game and The Football Business (I think).

AllWhitebeliever
27 Sep 2006, 01:53 PM
Very interesting. Having being sting by UEFA, ENIC was able to change strategies to reinvest the money into the possible new stadium.

Although they are unble to expand in UEFA. It would not be a bad idea to consider clubs outside UEFA in the other confederations. Would they be interested in an A-league club (AFC) and NZFC club (OFC)? Perhap in a MLS club? One of the South American clubs? How about a South African club? Of course, the stadium is number one priority. But the value of these clubs are very cheap and have amazing growth materials in their confederations. An A-league or NZFC club would be prime pickings at the moment.

Anyway, it's good to see a plan in place.

:cool:

Hang loose.

PoshSpur
28 Sep 2006, 01:47 AM
Very interesting. Having being sting by UEFA, ENIC was able to change strategies to reinvest the money into the possible new stadium.

Although they are unble to expand in UEFA. It would not be a bad idea to consider clubs outside UEFA in the other confederations. Would they be interested in an A-league club (AFC) and NZFC club (OFC)? Perhap in a MLS club? One of the South American clubs? How about a South African club? Of course, the stadium is number one priority. But the value of these clubs are very cheap and have amazing growth materials in their confederations. An A-league or NZFC club would be prime pickings at the moment.

Anyway, it's good to see a plan in place.

:cool:

Hang loose.



.....I don't think that Lewis wants to put his money into another team other than Spurs at the moment.

AllWhitebeliever
28 Sep 2006, 03:01 AM
.....I don't think that Lewis wants to put his money into another team other than Spurs at the moment.

True.

However when I mean one of the 8 NZFC clubs you are only looking at 50,000 pounds need by the semi-professional clubs. At the moment 7 of the 8 franchaise especially Youngheart Manawatu franchaise is looking for 50,000 pounds to ensure them a place with the application submission. That's little money but a link to a very successful club that has almost got a foot in the OFC Champions League and just missed the CWC, you have good bangs for bucks howbeit small, and a footing of 1/8 of the domestic scene already. Benefits would flow both ways, and another player development scheme for Spurs.

Anyway, I guess I just like to see the Spurs in NZ for once.

:o

Hang loose.

PoshSpur
28 Sep 2006, 04:37 AM
True.

However when I mean one of the 8 NZFC clubs you are only looking at 50,000 pounds need by the semi-professional clubs. At the moment 7 of the 8 franchaise especially Youngheart Manawatu franchaise is looking for 50,000 pounds to ensure them a place with the application submission. That's little money but a link to a very successful club that has almost got a foot in the OFC Champions League and just missed the CWC, you have good bangs for bucks howbeit small, and a footing of 1/8 of the domestic scene already. Benefits would flow both ways, and another player development scheme for Spurs.

Anyway, I guess I just like to see the Spurs in NZ for once.

:o

Hang loose.


£50,000.00 only? Maybe we should all pitch in and buy it. Milk them for everything they have by being a feeder club to Spurs, then sell it on and do the same again.

I've always wanted to be a football chairman.

AllWhitebeliever
28 Sep 2006, 11:10 AM
£50,000.00 only? Maybe we should all pitch in and buy it. Milk them for everything they have by being a feeder club to Spurs, then sell it on and do the same again.

I've always wanted to be a football chairman.

Actually I think I gave you the wrong numbers. It would be about £150,000 for 6 of the 8 franchises and about £50,000.00 for the 7th Franchise.

FYI, it's not great as you might think but the potential is there, once certain elements are sorted. There problems to sort out in the NZ Domestic game.

Sorry for being off-topic...but to give you guys a picture

Recently Manawatu was caught out in their budget for the next submission tender for the NZFC by having £150,000 short in the books for the submission. The budget was fine but they were on the naive on the submission application. According to my inside source, the reality is that the other 5 franchise would also have a shortfall in their funding of the same amount.

£150,000.00 would be a starter of about 1/3 of the sponsorships of the semi-professional franchise for the next four season after this season. Manawatu had their application submission on hold for the next four year tendor and despite having good success last year they need about £150,000.00 that they could prove was part of the re-submission. They may still lose the bid to other groups contesting their place, but I personally don't think so. It's early days for the NZFC as the 3rd season is about to start.

However it's a long way for the NZFC to develop into full-time professional league.

The conditions for soccer to grow in NZ has potential, but it needs is good backing from interested parties for development and the regional encatchment in a country are very close and within reach of everyone because someone always know someone, very simliar to what you get in Wales for an example.

The only full-time professional club is the NZ Knights in the A-league and they have recently tight Charlton Athetic connections.

Other clubs have some loose connection by old former/current players etc. At the moment, Canterbury has Blackburn Rovers and DC United connections by Ryan Nelsen. Fullham has Kiwi players like Simion Elliot and Chris James. Barnsley has kiwi connections as well.

The main risk is the competition with the professional Rugby, but the junior soccer participation level is the largest in the country. The trick is getting that through the youth system and easing players into the senior ranks for growth.

Once soccer professionalism is seen as a full-time professional job possibilty, it should increase the senior ranks, and it is just a sleeping giant sport in NZ simply because it is popular in junior level but has very little career possiblity and hence the gradual drop in youth and senior level, reducing it to a disjointed, social and recreational level sport and not seen as a serious sport.

Until NZFC becomes fully professional, there is nothing to aspire to and frankly NZ knights is really not the only future people perfer. Because of the regional factor of a spread population, one full-time professional Auckland club in the A-league realistically does not cut it for the locals.

The rest of the country does not want to travel to Auckland to watch the wooden spoon of the A-league, not even some Aucklanders be bothered. But to develop NZFC to full professional status and having public exposure is the only way to increase "All Whites" national team participation and soccer fan base.

However looking at the NZ youth soccer today, the individual skills is even better than when I was playing at youth level in the 80's and even better than skills of some of the senior players in the NZFC. Presently, I would consider the NZFC at the level of a mix of "The Championship League" and "League one" level.

The potential of youth development at national level for OFC and FIFA world youth tournaments as OFC reps will increase value and skill level of the potential players for big clubs.

Anyway enough about my gruff and frustration. I probaby bored the lot of you about the NZ backwaters. SKY TV sponsorship is thrown to the Rugby rather than soccer and until some big clubs interest in each of the franchise to stimulate local public interest, it is not possible. The FFA for the A-league are sorted with a good SKY TV deal. But nothing is really sorted for the NZFC which I see is the key and not Knights in A-league.

So I guess, there are plenty for big clubs to consider when entering the NZ market. So I really not sure whether Spurs would be that willing on second thoughts because of the NZ adminstrative structure unless there was certain conditions arranged.

Beside that, I hope that there are other finanical plans on the backburner after getting the stadium sorted for Spurs.

:cool:

Hang loose

PoshSpur
29 Sep 2006, 03:55 AM
Anyone interested in putting in £50,000?

We need three equal partners.

£50,000 each will get us a feeder club.

We have Football Manager as a guide, so I'm sure we'll do great.

Danners9
29 Sep 2006, 02:40 PM
Yeah, sure, I'll play.. do you accept string and magic beans?

PoshSpur
02 Oct 2006, 02:05 AM
Yeah, sure, I'll play.. do you accept string and magic beans?



.....no.


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