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celt1997
11 Jan 2007, 01:49 PM
Maybe one of the items crossing behind the skull could be a flagpole flying the Betsy Ross flag?

mdelrossi1
11 Jan 2007, 03:01 PM
Bifocals, bifocals, bifocals.
ask and ye shall receive.

http://mysite.verizon.net/delrossione/sonofben1.jpg

they're kinda crappy but i did em in like 5 mins...didnt put TOO much effort into it but you get the idea...want them doing anything? like slanting or on his forehead or anything like that or just leave em as is?

Dills
11 Jan 2007, 06:03 PM
little over-reaction on my part ... my bad.

royalties you say?! hmm, maybe bryan, SP and i need to have a chat.
[insert maniacal laugh here]

i didn't realize, until just now, that it's kind of similar to the barra brava logo. i might have to rethink some things, and come up with some tweaks, to make it seem not so blatant.

dangit77
11 Jan 2007, 09:27 PM
I'm not sure why you want the skull in the logo but here are some sugestions for having the skull logo more Philly/Franklin centric.

Put Ben Franklin's cul-de-sac long hair on the skull

Have the skull sitting on a prone kite

Have the skull sitting on the Constitution with "We The People" showing

Have the 13 circle of stars that Betsy Ross designed behind the skull

A pole at the base of the skull and lightning bolts attacking it

Put a backing like the Mummer have behind the skull and on that you can put any number of Phildelphia icons suck as the Independence Hall, City Hall, an out line of the city, etc.

I would have drawn these options up for you but I see from previous postings that that is a touchy matter.

mdelrossi1
11 Jan 2007, 10:57 PM
little over-reaction on my part ... my bad.

royalties you say?! hmm, maybe bryan, SP and i need to have a chat.
[insert maniacal laugh here]

i didn't realize, until just now, that it's kind of similar to the barra brava logo. i might have to rethink some things, and come up with some tweaks, to make it seem not so blatant.

nah man im sorry, next time ill talk to you before i step on your toes like that.

Z010 Union
12 Jan 2007, 12:06 AM
Why dont you kids take it outside after school? :p

At least now I know your SoB material ready to fight over Adobe Illustrator? Check

Dills
12 Jan 2007, 07:01 AM
Put Ben Franklin's cul-de-sac long hair on the skull
that was one of the things, accompanied by the bifocals, that was being considered to make it more franklin-ish ... and it might make it into the logo afterall.

Have the 13 circle of stars that Betsy Ross designed behind the skull
something like this would work with what i have in mind to make it less similar to barra brava's logo.

A pole at the base of the skull and lightning bolts attacking it
lightning bolts are very graphic and bold ... maybe accompanied by the famous key ben used too.

I would have drawn these options up for you but I see from previous postings that that is a touchy matter.
dude, i said i over-reacted ... but thanks for reminding me how much of a doosh i sounded like. :rolleyes:

Z010 Union
12 Jan 2007, 07:38 AM
For reference - other supporters

http://www.bristolroverssc.co.uk/resources/images/template/banner.gif

Z010 Union
12 Jan 2007, 07:42 AM
http://www.cavaliersbrigade.com/test/logo.jpg

http://www.screaming-eagles.com/images/patch.jpg

Z010 Union
12 Jan 2007, 07:44 AM
http://www.barra-brava.com/images/BBskull.gif

http://texianarmy.org/templates/waterandstone/images/logo.gif

Z010 Union
12 Jan 2007, 07:45 AM
http://www.midnightriders.com/graphics/header_top.gif

Dills
12 Jan 2007, 09:35 AM
i'm probably going to rethink the draped banner on the SoB logo, since that (and the fact they are both skull & crossbones) makes it look like a ripoff of barra brava's logo. granted, everything's been done and nothing is really a new idea, but i don't want it to seem like blatant plagiarism.

wow, the texian army's been around a helluva lot longer than MLS.

SoccerPrime
12 Jan 2007, 09:49 AM
First off, kudos to mdelrossi1 and Dillon for working out their differences. I am only saying this, because in my long years as a BS mod, I don't think I have ever seen such a peaceful transition from outright rage to righteous co-existence. If we had a BS citizen award, I would give it to both of you. Thank you! ;)

As for the logo, I agree that Ben hair might be good. I also think OKterrific and dangit77 might be on to something with lightning bolts, kites and keys. Bolts are always cool in logos. Its just begging to be done.

Master Logo creator Dillon, what say you?

Dills
12 Jan 2007, 10:24 AM
i say, i wouldn't want to put everything into the logo, as i think some of the best ones around are simple. i wouldn't want it to get too cluttered and busy, you know?

i would definitely like to look at the hair, because as i said before, it'll go well with the bifocals by giving him the franklin/colonial look.

the kite, as a literal element, might be one of those things that make the logo too busy. buuuuut, i think it can be worked into the design on a non-literal level. of the logos that bryan posted, i feel the bristol rovers, SE, RCB, and midnight riders work 'best' because they have a shape (circle, shield, etc) that consolidate the logo itself. what if a diamond shape (a la ben's kite) be used as a background element that 'holds' the elements of the logo?

Z010 Union
12 Jan 2007, 10:30 AM
the kite, as a literal element, might be one of those things that make the logo too busy. buuuuut, i think it can be worked into the design on a non-literal level. of the logos that bryan posted, i feel the bristol rovers, SE, RCB, and midnight riders work 'best' because they have a shape (circle, shield, etc) that consolidate the logo itself. what if a diamond shape (a la ben's kite) be used as a background element that 'holds' the elements of the logo?

Good thinking hosehead

Dills
12 Jan 2007, 10:37 AM
after lunch, my brain shuts down ... gotta get all my good thoughts in within the next 30 minutes.

i think i'll send some rep your way for those links too, pal. :D

DOH! gotta spread some rep around ... howzabout an IOU?

Z010 Union
12 Jan 2007, 11:01 AM
TriState Flags

http://www.50states.com/flag/image/nunst010.gif
http://www.50states.com/flag/image/nunst063.gif

Z010 Union
12 Jan 2007, 11:02 AM
http://www.50states.com/flag/image/nunst050.gif

Z010 Union
12 Jan 2007, 11:05 AM
Wheat or harvesting equipment and nautical elements are all central to the flags. That is why my initial request included a scythe and an oar.

I like the way we're headed with a Diamond shape, else we can always work the kite in elsewhere.

Thanks Andy for penning it...thanks to everyone for the stream of great ideas.

Dills
12 Jan 2007, 11:11 AM
there's a lot more to be done now that we're updating and revising things, but the creative juices are flowing, so i'm excited.

now, about those royalties ...
:p