"Release the hounds!" - Lille OSC official thread [R]

[listen_up_fergie]

so you admit that he embellished the fall? well then you can concede that maybe it was an outright dive. you don't know what was going on in his head.

I'm not admitting anything. I perhaps should have italicized the word "if" to stress my point. All your claims about Vidic "arching his back" and "exaggerating the fall" are irrelevant because there was a foul.
It wasn't an outright dive as demonstrated by the fact that Odemwingie had firm contact on Vidic, and you don't know what was going on in his head either.

[Inara]

No. We've had our fair share of decisions going against us, as have numerous other teams. This is the first time I've seen a team actually taking their case to UEFA.

Both teams were evenly match, which meant that the match could have swung either way. That's why, to Lille, it's more than just a bad decision. They perceive this as a serious refereeing error that affected the outcome of a very important match, and furthermore, they believe the referee was partial to MU. The fact that the issue is so debatable is why they are taking it to UEFA. They know, just as everyone else knows, that the goal will be allowed to stand. But they want UEFA to take a closer look at it, at least to get their case heard.

In the same token, UEFA will listen to them because that's their job. These aren't little league matches where arbritation errors work themselves out over the course of the season. In the Champions League KO rounds, there is no room for errors. So if Lille feels there is a potential mistake, it's their right to have it examined, no matter if the rest of us think they are wrong.

Even if nothing changes within the context of Lille-MU, at the very least, everyone else will now be a little wiser to the rules of free kicks, and you can bet that anytime Ryan Giggs lines up to take a freekick, he won't have as much freedom to do anything so...cheeky.

[listen_up_fergie]

Both teams were evenly match, which meant that the match could have swung either way. That's why, to Lille, it's more than just a bad decision. They perceive this as a serious refereeing error that affected the outcome of a very important match, and furthermore, they believe the referee was partial to MU. The fact that the issue is so debatable is why they are taking it to UEFA. They know, just as everyone else knows, that the goal will be allowed to stand. But they want UEFA to take a closer look at it, at least to get their case heard.

In the same token, UEFA will listen to them because that's their job. These aren't little league matches where arbritation errors work themselves out over the course of the season. In the Champions League KO rounds, there is no room for errors. So if Lille feels there is a potential mistake, it's their right to have it examined, no matter if the rest of us think they are wrong.


I'm not seeing anything here justifying Lille's decision to launch an appeal with UEFA. There's still a second leg to play so this isn't over by any means. What Lille are doing is setting a dangerous precedent, and I think it's frivolous. Giggs was well within his means to take the quick freekick, so there's no refereeing error. The problem here lies with the players' understanding of the rules.
Charlton IIRC were actually fined by the FA after they appealed a red card because the FA felt that the appeal was frivolous. If Lille know that the goal will stand (presumably because they realize that it is within the rules of the game), then there's no need to make the appeal "to make their voice heard". The players and management have made enough of a brouhaha in the press for their feelings of injustice.


Even if nothing changes within the context of Lille-MU, at the very least, everyone else will now be a little wiser to the rules of free kicks, and you can bet that anytime Ryan Giggs lines up to take a freekick, he won't have as much freedom to do anything so...cheeky.

I'm afraid to say that Lille will have finally woken up and smelt the coffee. Many teams are already aware of the danger of the free kick which is why they will intentionally have a man standing on the ball or make a wall five yards from the ball forcing the attacking team to request that it be moved back. This isn't the first time a goal has been scored from a quick freekick, and perhaps Lille's relative inexperience in Europe is to blame for their naivete.

[lefutur]

All your claims about Vidic "arching his back" and "exaggerating the fall" are irrelevant because there was a foul.



you and i both know that would have been a goal in the EPL. they would never had ruled that a "foul".

[listen_up_fergie]

you and i both know that would have been a goal in the EPL. they would never had ruled that a "foul".

90% of the time, perhaps it would've...but that's only because Premiership referees in general are terrible.

Whatever spin you put on it, it was correctly disallowed.

[Douai]

Ligue 1: 26ème Journée
Samedi 24 février 2007
STADE DU RAY
20:00

OGC NICE vs.LOSC Lille Métropole

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7e/Nice.gif/100px-Nice.gifv.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/9/9d/LilleOSC.gif
ALLEZ LES DOGUES!!!




It will be interesting to see how LOSC will play in this match after that tough mental defeat against Manchester United.

"LILLE contre attaque"
"Au cours d'une conférence de presse tenue ce matin à Luchin, Michel Seydoux et Xavier Thuilot ont confirmé la pose de réclamation auprès de l'UEFA.
Sur le coup franc, les images montrent clairement que Scholes demande à ce que le mur soit à distance.
Sur les incidents, le président a notamment indiqué que la bousculade avait été provoquée par des hooligans, les images le démontrant et que 1500 places "tampon" étaient prévues au cas où.
Par ailleurs, de la contrefaçon de billets a été avérée et ceux-ci ne concernent que la tribune réservée aux supporters de Manchester qui n'a pas respecté la procédure UEFA en délivrant ses billets plus d'un mois à l'avance.

L'examen des incidents et les sanctions éventuelles seront au menu de l'UEFA le 22 mars prochain.
Ce vendredi, l'UEFA se réunit pour examiner la seule réclamation relative à l'erreur technique sur le coup franc."
-allezlelosc.fr

[listen_up_fergie]

Sur le coup franc, les images montrent clairement que Scholes demande à ce que le mur soit à distance.



That's an interesting twist...all the video replays I've found online don't depict what happens more than a few seconds before the kick was taken to show if this is indeed true. I don't seem to recall from watching the game live Scholes engaging in any sort of conversation or the referee acknowledging him.

[Allez Lyonnais]

I don't give a ******** what the rule says. Lille didn't deserve that.

[listen_up_fergie]

. Lille didn't deserve that.

What?? On the basis of them being underdogs? Come on, this is football not an equal opportunity scheme.

[Catel]

Anyway, apologies to all the Lille posters who felt they received unwarranted abuse on the United forum. Now onto business....how much for Makoun and Bodmer?
15M€ for Makoun and 20M for Bodmer are their market price. But Bodmer is already a top priority for Lyon.

[Inara]

But Bodmer is already a top priority for Lyon.

Bodmer and Keita would be like Christmas. I'd love Makoun as well, but Lyon's midfield is already too congested. :rolleyes:

While we are on the subject, how about Puel too, if Houllier takes the job at the DTN. :D ;)

Just kidding...but not really. I rate Puel very highly, and I've always wondered what he would be able to accomplish with Lyon's manpower.

Although, speaking unselfishly, I have to say that it would be criminal to rob Lille of its best players this summer. Their team is still building, and Puel can't afford to replace his top players. So I hope Bodmer, Makoun, and Keita hang around for a bit longer. I really want Lille to be Lyon's competitor next season (because I just can't buy Marseille seriously, even with the holy Ribery-Cisse pairing, and Lens still has a ways to go. I'd say PSG, but Pauleta is going to retire next year, and I don't know how they'll replace the man responsible for over half their goals).

[guignol]

I doubt any referee would feel the need to tell a player "Go on, there's your chance. Kick the ball now, I won't tell the Lille players and you'll have a goal". Just seems like another conspiracy theory up there with alien encounters and Big Foot.he didn't say it like that obviously... but you don't have to be paranoid to think maybe the ref gave him the idea when you get a closeup (without sound) of their exchange.


And lefutur, it wasn't just a small nudge; Odewingie's hands extend through Vidic's shoulders and look like they were sufficient to throw him off balance. The manner in which he fell is irrelevant, even if he slightly embellished it. The Lille player was clearly guilty of an infringement which gave him an unfair advantage.with the speed the players were going any fall is going to be spectacular, i see no dive. and though some replays make the foul look imaginary, one makes it look very clear. but honestly... if it had been rooney pushing tavlaridis, would the goal have stood? probabaly. that's not a dig at broomhair or at MU in particular; big clubs getting the breaks over little ones is just a fact of football life. this coming from a supporter whose club has been on BOTH ends of the stick.

[guignol]

That's an interesting twist...all the video replays I've found online don't depict what happens more than a few seconds before the kick was taken to show if this is indeed true. I don't seem to recall from watching the game live Scholes engaging in any sort of conversation or the referee acknowledging him.canal+ in france showed a VERY good replay with everything in real time from just before the foul. if you watch that you'll understand better the confusion of the lille players. i don't concretely remember anything about scholes in particular, but the referee is showing lille where to make the wall... what's more, the kick is taken far from quickly! enough had gone on and been said that you understand how lille could have assumed that the 9 metres were indeed requested.

[Catel]

Just kidding...but not really. I rate Puel very highly, and I've always wondered what he would be able to accomplish with Lyon's manpower.
Remember Monaco 2000 ;) He had Trezeguet, Marquez, Sagnol, Gallardo, Marco Simone... and Christanval :o

Although, speaking unselfishly, I have to say that it would be criminal to rob Lille of its best players this summer. Their team is still building, and Puel can't afford to replace his top players. So I hope Bodmer, Makoun, and Keita hang around for a bit longer. I really want Lille to be Lyon's competitor next season (because I just can't buy Marseille seriously, even with the holy Ribery-Cisse pairing, and Lens still has a ways to go. I'd say PSG, but Pauleta is going to retire next year, and I don't know how they'll replace the man responsible for over half their goals).
Precisely you're forgetting Monaco ;)

I've seen that since 1982 Monaco spent only 8 years without being on the top 3 of the League. They're a historical big club since the 70's (and the great Delio Onnis) and if they had'nt mistaken in 2004 selling their players for buying a tête de lard (Kallon) and a permanently injured (Chevanton) they would be much stronger now.

[Cevno]

In the lille-manutd games,the two incidents being highlighted on the boards are the odemwingie goal dissallowed and the giggs freekick but there was another incident in the game too when a lille player clearly handled the ball when defending against larsson's header which stopped a clear goalscoring oppurtunity in the box and no penalty was given instead there was a corner.maybe the incident is not being highlighted because united players did not walk out and the fans did not respond by throwing things at the lille players.but instead we carried on and scored a clever winner and that was the difference between the two teams.experience and composure.
if lille are not punished for staging a walkout and for their fans throwing things at our players then this will set a bad precedence and teams will do these types of things to make themselves heard when they feel cheated .why weren't lille players sent off or booked for trying to intimidate the referee even with physical contact while rooney was booked for applauding a decision sarcastically.this clearly shows the benefit of being low profile players.

[guignol]

but as you see, the lille fans are going to get on with their lives, and they've already posted about the nice match.

so here's what should be MY last word on the subject:

wouldn't football be a tedious affair if it was always neat little 2-1 matches with no incidents? no one would buy it!

what makes the whole thing enthralling is 2 goal stoppage time comebacks against bayern, calais or ipswich in the cup final, 7-2 thrashings of werder bremen... and also matches like this one. as an OL fan, i've already forgotten this year's dynamo kiev matches, but anderson's disallowed goal against ajax 5 years ago? never! once you've really grown up and understood what football has brought to your life, you'll realize that (to paraphrase lombardi) winning isn't everything, it's practically nothing at all.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

he didn't say it like that obviously... but you don't have to be paranoid to think maybe the ref gave him the idea when you get a closeup (without sound) of their exchange.

So he asked if Giggs wanted to take it quickly or have 10 yards. Still doesn't change anything at all.

[listen_up_fergie]

he didn't say it like that obviously... but you don't have to be paranoid to think maybe the ref gave him the idea when you get a closeup (without sound) of their exchange.


According to Giggs, all the ref did was to ask him whether he wanted the whistle and Giggsy said he didn't. I'm not accusing you of this, but on other Lille boards I've read people going as far as to suggest that the ref convinces Giggs to exploit the poor small club from France. That's just ludicrous, IMO.


with the speed the players were going any fall is going to be spectacular, i see no dive. and though some replays make the foul look imaginary, one makes it look very clear. but honestly... if it had been rooney pushing tavlaridis, would the goal have stood? probabaly. that's not a dig at broomhair or at MU in particular; big clubs getting the breaks over little ones is just a fact of football life. this coming from a supporter whose club has been on BOTH ends of the stick.

I'm not going to say that big clubs don't get decisions to go their way, but the way you're portraying it is a bit exaggerated. If Rooney pushed Tavlaridis and the foul was quite evident as it was for the referee in Odemwingie's case, I think the referee would've disallowed it. We've had our fair share of goals being disallowed, both in the domestic league and Champions League. This new spin Lille fans are putting on it, is just the latest of many that some of your fans are trying to employ to portray an image of you being this small, honest, hardworking club that has suffered a terrible injustice of epic proportions.

canal+ in france showed a VERY good replay with everything in real time from just before the foul. if you watch that you'll understand better the confusion of the lille players. i don't concretely remember anything about scholes in particular, but the referee is showing lille where to make the wall... what's more, the kick is taken far from quickly! enough had gone on and been said that you understand how lille could have assumed that the 9 metres were indeed requested.

Any chance of finding that video clip online?
I don't think a "quick" freekick has to necessarily be taken "quickly". I think part of Giggs' guile and genius was that he led the Lille players to believe that we were lining up a regular freekick, but he had realised the referee had not made any indication that we had requested for the wall to be moved back and seized his chance. If you look at the actions of Rooney and Scholes, they too seemed clueless of what was going on in Giggs' head - yet, just because everyone assumes something doesn't make it true. The Lille players simply assumed that we had chosen to take the "slow" freekick, but we didn't and that was where their naivete and inexperience was evident.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

UEFA reject the protest and have instigated proceedings against Lille for the improper behaviour of their players immediately after the goal.
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=512/newsid=510176.html

[Lensois]

You and your friends went trolling in our thread and then tried to play various cards, including hilariously trying to claim racism, when you got called on it. Of course, rather than admit that just continue to post your factually incorrect and in some cases slanderous remarks about our board. You and the Lille players/management are so alike. Completely without class and sore losers.

It's written so isn't it libel? You know we French, always looking for the technicalities:rolleyes:

The most recent comments on your boards about baguettes and berets and such are very cute and classy. I just don't understand why it always has to come back to that. I think Lille should just accept the result and move on but why on earth people feel compelled to make these small, stereotypical statement is something I just don't understand.