"Release the hounds!" - Lille OSC official thread [R]

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Does your belief that is was 'underhanded and unworthy' extend to other players who have done similar, like Henry?

[Catel]

It's nothing, we French clubs are used to be whindled in European competition.

Remember Vata's hand, Nilmar's penalty and the ultra-vicious Juve against Nantes.

[guignol]

Does your belief that is was 'underhanded and unworthy' extend to other players who have done similar, like Henry?yes it does.

there are a couple of things that, at least in appearance, make football different from most sports. when a player is injured, you kick the ball out. when play restarts, you give the ball back to the team that did so. it's not in the rules. it's simply what's done.

playing free kicks quickly is part of the game. but the lille players were not simply naive, they were misled. the ref was motioning to them about the wall placement, and at the same time talking almost confidentially to giggs about what he wanted. i don't think giggs originally intended to play w/o the whistle, in fact i only think it dawned on him after the ref asked him about it twice...

here's what was worthy of mr. ryan giggs: after applauding the visiting fans, he went all the way across the field to seek out bodmer and convince him to exchange jerseys. normally it's the youngster who asks that from the legend, but giggs' gesture was true greatness.

as far as the walking off the field, it was due to the frustration of young men who had played their hearts out, done what should have been necessary to win, and then were cruelly disappointed. all puel wanted was the stoppage necessary to make his reclamation.


of course all this is just nonsense. the real wisdom is in your little quips about little countries being drummed out of europe and about the inherent perversion of all things french.

[Douai]

"PARIS (AP) - UEFA opened an investigation Wednesday into the trouble on and off the field during Lille's Champions League loss to Manchester United."
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/6489964

[lefutur]

of course all this is just nonsense. the real wisdom is in your little quips about little countries being drummed out of europe and about the inherent perversion of all things french.

i was forced to follow the game in the manchester united forum since the discussion in here was nonexistant. its the last time i make that mistake again. i've heard of sore losers but after ManU won the people in the board proceeded to launch into endless attacks on the french and france in general. i couldn't help but get offended and decried all the obvious anti-french rhetoric and xenophobic language. i was then given a minor offence by one of the moderators. via email i asked him if any of the posters of racist/hate comments were given similar warnings but never received a reply. the thread was subsequently closed although i have no idea if it was because of my complaint.

something needs to be done about the anti-french attitudes on the boards.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

You and your friends went trolling in our thread and then tried to play various cards, including hilariously trying to claim racism, when you got called on it. Of course, rather than admit that just continue to post your factually incorrect and in some cases slanderous remarks about our board. You and the Lille players/management are so alike. Completely without class and sore losers.

[guignol]

i think your work here is done TdB, and as always, we thank you for enlightening the poor savages we are.

[leg_breaker]

there are a couple of things that, at least in appearance, make football different from most sports. when a player is injured, you kick the ball out.

No you don't, because they never are injured, you kick the ball out, losing an attacking opportunity, then the player gets back up and carries on. If the ball is kicked out due to an injured player, then the player should spend ten minutes off the pitch. Then players would only go down if they really were injured.

playing free kicks quickly is part of the game. but the lille players were not simply naive, they were misled. the ref was motioning to them about the wall placement, and at the same time talking almost confidentially to giggs about what he wanted.

So what? United were the team infringed, they can take the free kick when they want, and you still have to be ten yards back.

[guignol]

never? well, you're right in saying this is being abused more and more; i don't like that either.

i can't fault what you say about the FK either. and interviews of lille players, once they calmed down, show that lack of european experience did them in. to those who know the english game, it's clear that the FK was fair and square, but in france we're not used to it.

so maybe lille and their fans are all wrong. but in the cruelty of their disappointment, in the passion of the moment, people can say and do a lot of things... and i don't think we need to excuse ourselves to the english (of all people) for being passionate about football.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

and i don't think we need to excuse ourselves to the english (of all people)

If I were lefutur or one his friends, I would try to play the racism (lol) card or another for that comment. :D

[listen_up_fergie]

Rule says Lille players must be warned of referee's decision. Have they been ?

Incorrect. The referee will inform the opposition only when the team taking the freekick requests that the wall be moved back 10 yards, in which case he will then signal that the play continues only when the whistle is blown.


Anyway, apologies to all the Lille posters who felt they received unwarranted abuse on the United forum. Now onto business....how much for Makoun and Bodmer?

[guignol]

Incorrect. The referee will inform the opposition only when the team taking the freekick requests that the wall be moved back 10 yards, in which case he will then signal that the play continues only when the whistle is blown. not quite. rule XIII says the referee must make a signal before the freekick is taken. if the beneficiary asks for the 9 metres this signal must be his whistle, if not it can be a simple arm movement. in the case of tuesday's dutchman, it was a rather unobtrusive finger flick.

moreover, good referees keep up a dialogue with the players that is more efficient than whistles or cards. and the great ones do it in whatever language is necessary, (collina once did an OL-OM while FFF refs were on training and i saw him chew out réveillère in pretty good french)... Anyway, apologies to all the Lille posters who felt they received unwarranted abuse on the United forum. Now onto business....how much for Makoun and Bodmer?you guys never know how to spend your money... go for cabaye, he'd be a much better buy!

and this just in... on your thread i said the reason why UEFA will look at lille's claim is they want at least to hear the recording of exactly what braamhaar said to giggs... and lille's reclamation will claim that he actually incited him to kick quick. that was my distinct impression looking at closeup film of the incident, but i didn't want to be accused of paranoia...

still, if you look, there are two exchanges between them before the kick. giggs seems to be concentrating on setting up the kick, and brushes aside the ref's question distractedly... braamhaar repeats whatever he said and it's then that a light goes on in giggs' head and he decides to kick without a wall.

[listen_up_fergie]

not quite. rule XIII says the referee must make a signal before the freekick is taken. if the beneficiary asks for the 9 metres this signal must be his whistle, if not it can be a simple arm movement. in the case of tuesday's dutchman, it was a rather unobtrusive finger flick.

Where did you find that info? Law XIII says nothing about a signal required on the referees part in regards to a direct freekick unless the opposing team requests the wall be at 9.15m.


you guys never know how to spend your money... go for cabaye, he'd be a much better buy!

Is Cabaye an attacking midfielder? IMO Makoun looks like a player we need at United. We don't have a player who can do a good job of sitting in front of the defence to protect them and break up the opposition's play. Makoun did that quite well in Tuesday's game.


and this just in... on your thread i said the reason why UEFA will look at lille's claim is they want at least to hear the recording of exactly what braamhaar said to giggs... and lille's reclamation will claim that he actually incited him to kick quick. that was my distinct impression looking at closeup film of the incident, but i didn't want to be accused of paranoia...

still, if you look, there are two exchanges between them before the kick. giggs seems to be concentrating on setting up the kick, and brushes aside the ref's question distractedly... braamhaar repeats whatever he said and it's then that a light goes on in giggs' head and he decides to kick without a wall.

You guys really are trying to look at every possible avenue to try and get the goal overruled, aren't you? :rolleyes:

[Inara]

You guys really are trying to look at every possible avenue to try and get the goal overruled, aren't you? :rolleyes:

Of course. Wouldn't you? :)

[listen_up_fergie]

Of course. Wouldn't you? :)

No. We've had our fair share of decisions going against us, as have numerous other teams. This is the first time I've seen a team actually taking their case to UEFA.

[guignol]

Where did you find that info? Law XIII says nothing about a signal required on the referees part in regards to a direct freekick unless the opposing team requests the wall be at 9.15m.the "17 laws" as such are hard to read because there are so many addenda, memoranda and circulars year by year... actually the referee is required to signal the restart of play after ANY stoppage (rule V) and there is a specific memo (somewhere... :rolleyes: ) about this applying to free kicks.


Makoun looks like a player we need... do you have any idea how many other clubs are saying the same thing? he's going to be worth 30M£ before lille gives him up! :p



You guys really are trying to look at every possible avenue to try and get the goal overruled, aren't you? the goal is not going to be overruled, and everyone knows it. but when a referee oversteps or even seems to overstep neutrality it's a serious issue. when OL got knocked out by PSV a couple of years ago, the beef went a lot farther than the ignored penalty: that dane was joking in english and either in dutch or danish with the PSV players all match, and never had a word, even of warning, for lyon. there was no reclamation, but you'll notice that nielsen hasn't been given any big matches since... except for sending off rooney just because he gave him a well deserved round of applause :D

[lefutur]

Anyway, apologies to all the Lille posters who felt they received unwarranted abuse on the United forum. Now onto business....how much for Makoun and Bodmer?

apology accepted. thank you.

[lefutur]

and this just in... on your thread i said the reason why UEFA will look at lille's claim is they want at least to hear the recording of exactly what braamhaar said to giggs... and lille's reclamation will claim that he actually incited him to kick quick. that was my distinct impression looking at closeup film of the incident, but i didn't want to be accused of paranoia...

still, if you look, there are two exchanges between them before the kick. giggs seems to be concentrating on setting up the kick, and brushes aside the ref's question distractedly... braamhaar repeats whatever he said and it's then that a light goes on in giggs' head and he decides to kick without a wall.

if it turns out that the referee encouraged Giggs to kick without a wall then there is clear bias and that would need to be sorted out. i agree that the goal should stand but partial referees should not be tolerated. i'm more upset about the overruled Lille goal anyway. It was a clear dive from my perspective on the part of the Manchester defender. He was hardly nudged and yet proceeds to go down and even throws his arms forward and arches his back upwards to exagerate the fall. If you watch the replay its obvious that the Lille player could not have pushed him nearly hard enough to cause such a dramatic flight through the air. none of the english commentators seemed to notice that though.

[listen_up_fergie]

I doubt any referee would feel the need to tell a player "Go on, there's your chance. Kick the ball now, I won't tell the Lille players and you'll have a goal". Just seems like another conspiracy theory up there with alien encounters and Big Foot.

And lefutur, it wasn't just a small nudge; Odewingie's hands extend through Vidic's shoulders and look like they were sufficient to throw him off balance. The manner in which he fell is irrelevant, even if he slightly embellished it. The Lille player was clearly guilty of an infringement which gave him an unfair advantage.

[lefutur]

The manner in which he fell is irrelevant, even if he slightly embellished it.

so you admit that he embellished the fall? well then you can concede that maybe it was an outright dive. you don't know what was going on in his head.


as for the freekick the referee seems to have committed a few errors on that play which were discussed on the referee board on BS. The referee posters seemed in agreement that he shouldn't have been so close to the spot and talking to Giggs because it gave a clear impression that there would be a ceremonial restart (i.e. a whistle) for the kick. The referee also has his back to the ball when Gigg takes the kick which is another big no-no. whether or not there was a bias on the part of the referee, most referees seemed to agree that the play was a bit flawed.