View Full Version : Chelsea caught tappng up another player, this time it is even caught on video!
lost
19 Sep 2006, 05:35 PM
Ok, i have just finnished watching the bbc panorama special of corruption in football, and despite the lack of evidense on most of its leads, there was one part where Frank Arnenson is clearly videotaped talking to the agent of a Middlesbrough youth player, discussing signing the player. This is a direct breach of FA rules regarding legitimate contact with an individual who is under contract with another club. This is not only a direct breach of fa rules, but also a direct breach of the Chelsea 'suspended sentence' hanging over them from the Ashley Cole tapping up scandal, where they were found to be guilty.
By FA standards this must necesarily mean a docking of at least 3 points, and a possible transfer embargo. There is no way to dress up what Arnenson was doing as anything other than discussing the signing of a player from another club without the proper and prior knowledge of his existing club. They should be now looking at a heavy punishment, something tells me they will wriggle out of this one as well, with a fine (like that means anything to chelsea) or someother insignificant slap on the wrist, like an embargo from this Januarys transfer window but reinstated for the summer.
FMF_LFP
19 Sep 2006, 07:50 PM
So from my impressions of your response not much eveidence was uncovered other than Arnenson's illegal unwrong activites BCC Claims. Are there any more individuals caught up in this whole debacle such as Sam Allerdyce ?
Toon³
19 Sep 2006, 07:55 PM
Honestly who really gives a crap. It's just this weeks "scandle" involving either Chelsea, Arsenal or Man United.
As usual it just boils down to a giant pissing contest between the fans of whichever clubs are involved.
FMF_LFP
19 Sep 2006, 07:56 PM
Actually it is a big deal and it doesn't only involve those major clubs it also involves the club who rose fro mthe ashes Bolton Wanderers Club. Looks like Sam , his son and his club Bolton is getting OWNED by this allegations anhd by BCC.
Toon³
19 Sep 2006, 08:03 PM
Actually it is a big deal and it doesn't only involve those major clubs it also involves the club who rose fro mthe ashes Bolton Wanderers Club. Looks like Sam , his son and his club Bolton is getting OWNED by this allegations anhd by BCC.
No it's not a big deal because nothing will happen about it.
That tv programme didn't show anything that would earn Bolton more than a slap on the wrist.
Everyone already knew that "bungs" were being handed out in the league, we knew it, the managers knew it, the players knew it and the FA knew it. Some crappy BBC programme isn't going to change anything. It will be story of the week until something else happens when it will be forgotten until the regulation FA investigation presents it's results that do nothing but tell us that 'bungs' are being actively used in the Premiership and they will step up attempts to stamp it out.
FMF_LFP
19 Sep 2006, 08:09 PM
Well at least this is recalling the fans what type of slum individuals are in charge of their clubs . Not only that , its refreshing to see all the illegalities already taking place just being reiterated. Like Bolton Wanderer's club being a major culprit in which Sam Allerdyce used his son now a former agent for dealings and placement of players inthe line up all to gain and keep it in the family capital with his baby son .
Toon³
19 Sep 2006, 08:15 PM
Well at least this is recalling the fans what type of slum individuals are in charge of their clubs . Not only that , its refreshing to see all the illegalities already taking place just being reiterated. Like Bolton Wanderer's club being a major culprit in which Sam Allerdyce used his son now a former agent for dealings and placement of players inthe line up all to gain and keep it in the family capital with his baby son .
Newcastle recently got fined for actually breaking the rules of the game by trying to sneak out of VAT payments.
Did this make the back page of all the papers? Nope
Did it get an hour long TV special? Nope
Why you ask? Because it wouldn't sell papers and people wouldn't watch it. But because it involves Chelsea at some point it gets more coverage. If it was only Bolton then no one would care because although it has never been (and it still hasn't) proved that Allerdyce took bungs everyone suspected it.
england66
19 Sep 2006, 10:49 PM
No it's not a big deal because nothing will happen about it.
That tv programme didn't show anything that would earn Bolton more than a slap on the wrist.
Everyone already knew that "bungs" were being handed out in the league, we knew it, the managers knew it, the players knew it and the FA knew it. Some crappy BBC programme isn't going to change anything.
1) wrong, this time the shit will (and should ) hit the fan(s)
2) wrong again (you're on a roll)..."Big Sam" ( boy does he love that self serving monika) is fcuked
3) and you are allright with this...?? this is fcuking bullshit and needs to be stopped....NOW....
Toon³
19 Sep 2006, 10:57 PM
1) wrong, this time the shit will (and should ) hit the fan(s)
2) wrong again (you're on a roll)..."Big Sam" ( boy does he love that self serving monika) is fcuked
3) and you are allright with this...?? this is fcuking bullshit and needs to be stopped....NOW....
Of course it won't.
Chelsea have already got away with everything said on tape because the FA have said they won't investigate it. I'm pretty sure we heard all this during the Jensen thing with Arsenal in the 90's. Didn't the FA promise to clean it up then?
Allerdyce isn't "fcuked". His son could quite easily take the blame for it all and I don't think he's strapped for cash to worry about loosing his job.
No of course I'm not alright with it. I'm just not getting all worked up about it. Now if I thought something might actually be done about it then maybe I would but you seem to be forgetting that the people handling all this is The FA.
Prenn
20 Sep 2006, 04:06 AM
After seeing the programme all I can say is:
Is that it?
All you've got is a few agents talking themselves up and zero evidence against Sam. The whole Phil Gartside/Okocha thing makes the programme look like nothing more than an assassination against Bolton.
lost
20 Sep 2006, 06:03 AM
Bolton are defo in trouble. There is clear evidence that they have been employing unlisenced agents, there is also cler evidense that craig allardice and bwfc has falsified documents for the fa, and there is also clear evidense that they are prepared to accept sweeteners to tie up deals. no one in the country has a problem with either bolton or big sam, and i hope nothing bad happens to either, but they could get into serious trouble for this show.
btw, all i want to see is the chavs get into some trouble, but as the tapped up player was from the academy, it is unlikely to happen.
nicephoras
20 Sep 2006, 08:14 AM
btw, all i want to see is the chavs get into some trouble, but as the tapped up player was from the academy, it is unlikely to happen.
As I understand it, this is because at the academy level, this is not actually improper. That's how academy players move from different clubs.
lost
20 Sep 2006, 08:35 AM
i also heard that you have to get into trouble on two separate occasions for tapping academy players, there are two levels of tapping up, imo that is a joke situation, tapping up is against the rules regardless if the player is 8 or 80.
Matt Clark
20 Sep 2006, 08:39 AM
There is clear evidence that they have been employing unlisenced agents, there is also cler evidense that craig allardice and bwfc has falsified documents for the fa, and there is also clear evidense that they are prepared to accept sweeteners to tie up deals.
Sadly, there isn't. The "evidence" that they use unlicenced agents amounts to little more than the fact that when the reporter asked Craig Allardyce to scribble the deals he's been involved in on a restaurant napkin, he listed two that were registered as having been done by Peter Harrison. That's not substantive evidence - a simple "I made it all up to look good" from Allardyce and a further "he had nothing to do with it and the FA papers prove that" from Harrison and it's dead in the water.
As to falsified documents, again - only Allardyce verbally claiming an involvement even suggests that the documents were improperly completed. And the evidence that Allardyce Snr "likes a deal", whilst compelling because of the consistency of opinion amongst three separate agents, is still only hearsay.
Matt Clark
20 Sep 2006, 08:41 AM
tapping up is against the rules regardless if the player is 8 or 80.
Only if the player has signed pro forms. If he's still not officially contracted to the club, he's free to approaches from anyone, anywhere. In the case shown last night, the player WAS contracted to Middlesbrough on pro forms and as such the approach was illegal, but that's not always the case.
Anyway - nothing will get done. Although I should imagine Middlesbrough are having a few stiff words with one of their youth players round about now.
Matt Clark
20 Sep 2006, 08:44 AM
CORRECTION: Actually, I've just checked the BBC coverage of this and it turns out that Porrit was on schoolboy forms at the time of the conversation with Chelsea, so they didn't break that particular rule after all.
nicephoras
20 Sep 2006, 09:25 AM
CORRECTION: Actually, I've just checked the BBC coverage of this and it turns out that Porrit was on schoolboy forms at the time of the conversation with Chelsea, so they didn't break that particular rule after all.
Which is what I had thought the rule was.
If Arsenal can sign 17 year olds from Spain (which makes Barcelona screech louder than a bad porn star faking an orgasm)........................
nicephoras
20 Sep 2006, 10:00 AM
Anyway - nothing will get done. Although I should imagine Middlesbrough are having a few stiff words with one of their youth players round about now.
Well, and with another person too. Boro have complained (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5363514.stm) about the agent, not about Chelsea.
Alan_V
20 Sep 2006, 10:25 AM
Well, and with another person too. Boro have complained (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5363514.stm) about the agent, not about Chelsea.
Agreed. The article I read stated that Chelsea and 'Pool were approached by the agent. I don't know enough about the rules to know if that matters or not, but it's reasonable for any team to at least listen if they are approached by an agent, then check with the player's current club.
nicephoras
20 Sep 2006, 11:08 AM
Agreed. The article I read stated that Chelsea and 'Pool were approached by the agent. I don't know enough about the rules to know if that matters or not, but it's reasonable for any team to at least listen if they are approached by an agent, then check with the player's current club.
Supposedly Arnesen did more than that (I couldn't watch more than 15 minutes of the GREATEST DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE GREATEST SCANDAL IN ENGLISH FOOTBALL EVER), I just don't think he broke any FA rules in the process.