Matchday 5: Gladbach-BVB [R]

[HeyaBVB]

Do you ever wounder why people pick on you ? because your f***** fat no. it's because you haven't got a clue what so ever, my point has been we need an ambitious striker who can get goals maybee like frei but then you you go and knock him down by saying it has to be a crap defence for him to score, and i belive there not in france, so it's not me you should question about being on the bandwagan fan. When did you start supportig BVB HeyaBVB ? 1997? 2002? eh:confused:


lol I am a BVB supporter since 1995 before that I wasn't much in soccer. Oh and where did I picked on frei , I just said that France is an easier league than BL and it is.. Frei will make his goals but he has to adjust to the BL


No one needs a lousy liar like Traiteroso .. only bandwagon fans do ...

[AMK3]

lol I am a BVB supporter since 1995 before that I wasn't much in soccer. Oh and where did I picked on frei , I just said that France is an easier league than BL and it is.. Frei will make his goals but he has to adjust to the BL


No one needs a lousy liar like Traiteroso .. only bandwagon fans do ...

I'm a traitor because he was a good player, and we had a lousey manager and board room who couldent reach players like him, and i suppose well that makes him a trator and me a bandwagon supporter eah, think about what you are saying if indeed i was a bandwagon supporter as you put it why would i choose Dortmund when Bayern or Werder as they are better, infact maybee i should change my name, what do you think you fat ********

[Shep4BVB]

Keith!!!

[HeyaBVB]

I'm a traitor because he was a good player, and we had a lousey manager and board room who couldent reach players like him, and i suppose well that makes him a trator and me a bandwagon supporter eah, think about what you are saying if indeed i was a bandwagon supporter as you put it why would i choose Dortmund when Bayern or Werder as they are better, infact maybee i should change my name, what do you think you fat ********
hmm since when are you fan .. 1997 .. 2002 ... i guess one of this dates... cause all you can do is complaining about the good times we had with That Diva ... I would take 10 Paul Lamberts, or Susi Zorc's , or 10 Jürgen Kohlers over 1 lousy Diva who costed the BVB 7 Mio Euros!!

[footyfan1]

Guys, calm down! Where did all this shit come from?!

[footyfan1]

I am not going to lie to you BVB fans:

I do not know what the f**k is going up with Alexander Frei!

This guys is an "extremely good" striker that does not miss chances, works a lot for the team, creates opportunities and make other players score. (But yes he also shots on the posts way too much)

But now altough I am a hudge fan of Alex, I must admit that as a BVB fan I am scared...!!! Back when he first started playing for Rennes, it took him a year to get use to the team and then he became the best scorer of the French League.

Conclusion: with Valdez not having even scored a single goal and Smolarek in (extreme) trouble I am really scard of the next game!!



Thanks for your honesty there. Frei f%cking sucked Friday night. I thought Smolarek was OK....

[HeyaBVB]

Ok , sorry I tend to get pissed off when someone names Amoroso .. like a lot BVB fans do , not all but a lot.

We don't have Amoroso and I really think we don't need one with his attitude .... his class ok , but not his attitude

[AMK3]

Ok , sorry I tend to get pissed off when someone names Amoroso .. like a lot BVB fans do , not all but a lot.

We don't have Amoroso and I really think we don't need one with his attitude .... his class ok , but not his attitude

Well that i suppose gives you a reason about amoroso but what you think i'm a glory supporter, WHAT, i already said if i wanted that i would have supported bayern or werder but no i am a dortmund fan infact i supported dortmund since 2000 so am i a glory supporter or are you since you revealed you supported 'em from 1995 no who's the glory supporter

[Shep4BVB]

I don't get why all you guys hate Amoroso so much! Just cos he refused to come back doesnt mean you should hate him while BVB had him he was like a god! The teams got real shit now, we need a new manager!!!

[AMK3]

I don't get why all you guys hate Amoroso so much! Just cos he refused to come back doesnt mean you should hate him while BVB had him he was like a god! The teams got real shit now, we need a new manager!!!

I coulden't agree more, and by the way Amoroso cost us 22,250,000 euros HeyaBVB

[HeyaBVB]

I coulden't agree more, and by the way Amoroso cost us 22,250,000 euros HeyaBVB

Because he betrayed the Club ... BVB is not just a Team ... Its a passion ...
For some Fans BVB is even a religion ... what Amoroso did with us was as bad as going to Schlacke or BayScum ... Take Andi Möller .... he is as hated as Amoroso as he went to schlacke

[Shep4BVB]

Because he betrayed the Club ... BVB is not just a Team ... Its a passion ...
For some Fans BVB is even a religion ... what Amoroso did with us was as bad as going to Schlacke or BayScum ... Take Andi Möller .... he is as hated as Amoroso as he went to schlacke

{edited} Amoroso was amazing! Its the managers fault he left don't blame him!

[Dead Fingers]

Insults stop now.

Thread closed for a bit.

[Dead Fingers]

Re-opened

Guys, just lay off the insults and stick to the topic. If someone disagrees with you, just back off.

:)

[footyfan1]

Guys, I've got some stuff that I want to put here about the match, but I might not be able to do it until tomorrow.

But to be honest, I think BVB lost because once again, the team showed a serious lack of courage. They just don't like standing up to "lesser teams" willing to stand and fight with them.

I'm translating a "kicker" article for the BVB e-mail list now that seems to suggest that BvM held what we used to call in the Army a "bitch session" after the match.

EDIT: The "bitch session" was actually on Saturday in Dortmund.....

I may post that article here tomorrow or even later tonight.

Guys, I also don't mind having the Amoroso conversation, but since it usually breaks down into a heated discussion, my suggestion would be to either:

1) Forget it because the two sides will never agree anyhow.

or

2) Keep the argument going, but move it over to the e-mail list.

If some of you are not on our e-mail list (No Wandi, that was not me under another profile arguing with you! :) ), send me an email at footyfan1@yahoo.com and I can get you signed up for our list either later tonight (If you catch me while I'm still here) or tomorrow.

Oh, and Wandi, dude, you can't say someone is less of BVB fan than you because they don't agree with your Amoroso opinion. That's just wrong. I know I've done it in the past and I was just as wrong.

More BVB fans than you know don't agree with your Amoroso opinion. They don't "forgive him" as much as I have, but they don't agree with you either.

[footyfan1]

IThe teams got real shit now, we need a new manager!!!


Don't agree at all. That's the response of someone who's panicking and needs someone to blame.

If you want to blame someone, blame the team. BvM prepares them well. The team are the ones who aren't performing.

I know what a unprepared BVB team looks like. We saw it during most of the last two years of Sammer's run.

No. This team is prepared and well-organized. They just lack courage. And that's something a trainer can't give them. That has to come from within.

[HeyaBVB]

Guys, I've got some stuff that I want to put here about the match, but I might not be able to do it until tomorrow.

But to be honest, I think BVB lost because once again, the team showed a serious lack of courage. They just don't like standing up to "lesser teams" willing to stand and fight with them.

I'm translating a "kicker" article for the BVB e-mail list now that seems to suggest that BvM held what we used to call in the Army a "bitch session" after the match.

EDIT: The "bitch session" was actually on Saturday in Dortmund.....

I may post that article here tomorrow or even later tonight.

Guys, I also don't mind having the Amoroso conversation, but since it usually breaks down into a heated discussion, my suggestion would be to either:

1) Forget it because the two sides will never agree anyhow.

or

2) Keep the argument going, but move it over to the e-mail list.

If some of you are not on our e-mail list (No Wandi, that was not me under another profile arguing with you! :) ), send me an email at footyfan1@yahoo.com and I can get you signed up for our list either later tonight (If you catch me while I'm still here) or tomorrow.

Oh, and Wandi, dude, you can't say someone is less of BVB fan than you because they don't agree with your Amoroso opinion. That's just wrong. I know I've done it in the past and I was just as wrong.

More BVB fans than you know don't agree with your Amoroso opinion. They don't "forgive him" as much as I have, but they don't agree with you either.


Ok Sire Keith .. I am unworthy ;) *just kidding*

[footyfan1]

Ok Sire Keith .. I am unworthy ;) *just kidding*


:D

We've got more worries than how people feel about #22 anyhow. But just know Wandi, people are going to talk about Amoroso because he was the last real goalscorer we had at BVB.

[footyfan1]

Problems at BVB?? - "Bitch Session" Held In Dortmund The Day After The Gladbach Loss


What I call a "Bitch Session" above would basically be called an "Airing of Grievances" anywhere else. "Bitch Session" is just what we called it in the military when a leader would get his troops together and let them speak honestly and openly about problems within the squad/platoon/company/team without fear of repercussion no matter what their rank.

According to the "kicker" article, that's what happened in Dortmund this past Saturday.

Unfortunately, the article doesn't give any insight to what was said. Christian Wörns was only quoted as saying that his view was the same as BvM's.

I'll post what I translated below. In my next message, I'll post what I wrote to our BVB e-mail list as my match opinion.

The parallels might be startling........ ;)


Bear with the translation. It's not my best work.

If we start to get away from what happened in the Gladbach match, perhaps we should re-start the "BVB General Discussion Thread Part I" again.......

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Dortmund: BVB Is Far From Being A Top Team


Weidenfeller Is Missing A Leader-Type In Midfield




For almost forty-five minutes, it was like a United Nations General Assembly session in New York . Each of the participants was allowed to express himself. In this special case, to criticize each other or trainer Bert van Marwijk (54), democracy was alive in Dortmund when van Marwijk granted his team amnesty to air grievances after the defeat in Mönchengladbach.


"My view of things concurred with that of the trainer”, stated Christian Wörns (34) after the noontime session on Saturday. “However, a few others saw it differently”, the captain clarified. You can be sure “one or two” of his colleagues agreed that they had a bad match. “However, they would see the world differently after a victory over Hannover this coming weekend too”, Wörns added.


These views can legitimately be the backbone of instability at many clubs or one can take this subject, revise it, and arrive at a sobering conclusion as BVB President Dr. Reinhard Rauball (59) has. “Contrary to the symbol on our shirts, like last season, we are not ready to put an exclamation point (on our ambitions).”


Two victories, a draw and a defeat. At this time Borussia is about as far from being a top team as the fragmented government in Berlin is to a compromise on health reform. The image gives reason to worry: How BVB has presented itself in the young season, is part of the tiresome process of a team finding itself, with no truly convincing performances over an entire match. This team is truly in danger of missing it’s goal of finishing in an UEFA Cup place.


Correspondingly an angry club manager Hans-Joachim Watzke (47) reported that he is “unbelievably disappointed.” Based on reported comments he denied making over the weekend, Borussia’s “strongman” would tend to continue the previously practiced “Things Are Beautiful” therapy and plans no further reconditioning methods as before the defeat in Mönchengladbach.


The Dortmund midfield is suffering as it becomes more and more BVB’s problem area. It is not creating dangerous situations even though personnel purchases and a system change normally guarantees these things occur. In the meantime, the voices that say this team is in over its head and overrated are increasing in number.


Roman Weidenfeller (26), hits the nail on the head when he laments over a missing “leader-type” player on the pitch who “takes control of the match.”


The goalkeeper is missing a colleague who “opens his mouth and directs” in midfield. Marc-André Kruska (19) cannot be that in Sebastian Kehl’s (26) absence in view of own weaknesses (headers, freeing up the games of other players).


The previous hope for this position, Florian Kringe (24), has too much to do within himself and Tinga (28) who was not impressive for the first time on Friday, can’t be the player because of the language barrier.


Finally, there’s Steven Pienaar (24), who Director of Sport, Michael Zorc (44) recognizes as having difficulties becoming a “contolling midfield player.” He has not put together experience and controlling play. He has not created highlights as a playmaker.



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[footyfan1]

My match opinion to the e-mail list just after the match. Well, I wrote most of it right after the match. I had some computer problems and lost some of it. I re-wrote that part and changed "tonight" to "Friday night" after two days of "cooling off". Which wasn't much.

Warning: As I'm sure it will be a "surprise" coming from me, there's excessive use of the word "f#ck" and derivatives of that word in the message below.

If you don't want to read it, go away from the message now........

If you read the "kicker" article already, remember that kicker article was written on Saturday evening at the earliest.

I've been passing around that very opinion since the damned Mainz match.




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I’m still f#cking pissed off at the team. They still can’t win shit when there’s something on the line. And as usual, I think it shows this team is suffering from a total lack of courage.


In other words, once again, I feel this team lost to a lesser opponent who played with more f#cking HEART!!


Shit! In my opinion, WE were the better team for most of that match!!!


Gladbach simply took advantage of one of their chances while we couldn’t.


Especially that f#cking Alexander Frei! What a f#cking waste he was on Friday night!


I thought the following players completely F#CKING SUCKED on Friday night!

FREI
KRINGE
KRUSKA
DEGEN
PIENAAR


If their names are in BOLD PRINT, they sucked extra f#cking badly in my opinion!!


I have to repeat something else now too. I swear this was another time we missed the spark that Odonkor could have provided off the bench! You can see in our offense that something is missing and not just the finish.


I know Odonkor was unhappy and asked to go, I fully understand that.


But I’m starting to feel that Watzke should have taken a page from Uli Hoeness’ book and told Odonkor that he wasn’t going anywhere and to just shut the f#ck up and play. Hargreaves was Bayern’s best player in their CL match after Hoeness told him he wasn’t f#cking going anywhere. Would Odonkor have really caused trouble??


I know I’m just f#cking ranting, but Degen just cannot try to force in crosses from the right and still play his position! Degen got continously PUNKED on his side Friday night!


I still don't get all the hype about Kruska. I see nothing special that kid does. I thought he f#cking sucked on Friday night and I feel if he stayed with Kahe on the play Kahe scored on, that goal isn't scored.


Brzenska and Wörns were both busy and it looked like Kruska thought Brzenska or Wörns would pick up Kahe too.


I have to say I was satisfied with Smolarek’s play on Friday, but I can see why Valdez plays ahead of him.


And I’m f#cking pissed off that we spent over 8 million Euros on strikers and still NOBODY on this f#cking team can finish!


What the f#ck do we have to do, bring back Amoroso?? He’s the last real f#cking finisher this team has had!


I’m just ranting Wandi, I’m not calling for us to bring back #22.


Let's not start the mess you and that guy on BigSoccer had. ;)


I did see some good things. Good things we’ve been seeing most of the season so far.


I thought Dede and Wörns were solid as usual. Dede especially. Dede was f#cking great. He wound up leading the offense in my opinion.


I think he can still use work, but I think Brzenska is starting to come around. Yes, he still gets caught out of position a bit, but not as much as before. At least he didn’t on Friday. I hope that is real improvement I’m seeing there.


Tinga was solid, but didn’t impress me as much as he did against Stuttgart and HSV. Heynckes seemed to account for Tinga in his game plan. If he did, that’s great coaching.


On the other hand, Tinga’s midfield partners Pienaar and Kringe didn’t help him one f#cking bit on Friday night.


In my opinion, Florian Kringe was just total shit on Friday night.


Complete and utter SHIT!


I think BvM needs to let Pienaar attack the net himself a bit more. He doesn’t seem to be comfortable being “just” a playmaker. I also think Pienaar spends too much time crying to the referee trying to get calls. At least four times on Friday night, I yelled at the TV telling Pienaar to shut the f#ck up and play!


BvM brought in Tyrala (Good call made by "Gunning4Chelsea"!) and Ricken on Friday night. I thought those were great moves, but should have been made about ten minutes before they were made.


So much second guessing can be done, but once again, I think the bottom line on Friday was that our team f#cking lost again because a “lesser team” outfought them and just wanted the match more.


Another “lesser team” showed more f#cking HEART than we did.


What's f#cking worse for me is that again, I feel like we were the better team for a lot of that match!


At least Premiere Sport showed the 1997 CL Final right after our match. I got to see at least one BVB team with some f#cking heart on Friday night…….


Maybe we need to bring back the f#cking neon yellow. Or maybe just bring back Kalle Riedle. At his age, he can still probably finish better than f#cking Alexander Frei.


After I wrote the original opinion, I got f#cking drunk.


I think only my ex-wife can piss me off more or faster than BVB can……..


However, these days, ONLY BVB can piss me off enough to drink alone!


What a crappy f#cking night Friday was.


Shit like Friday night is exactly why I’m still frustrated with this team and why I have f#cking serious doubts about this team.

As I've said time and time again already this season! BVB so far is just:

“New names, SAME OLD MOTHER F#CKING SHIT!!!”


Come on BvM! There’s got to be a way to make these guys see they’re being MOTHER F#CKING PU$$IES every time they face a lesser team willing to FIGHT them!!!


I haven't read the article yet, but one of the stories in today's "kicker" on the aftermatch of the match is titled "Roman Weidenfeller vermisst eine Fuehrungsfigur im Mittelfeld der Borussia."


I believe that translates to "Roman Weidenfeller Is Missing A Leader (Or "Leader Type") In Borussia's Midfield."


Which is exactly the point I made in my reply to (Unnamed Person) earlier today.


This team is missing that guy on the pitch who commands the respect of all the others and who the other will listen to when that guy kicks them in the ass when they start "playing down" to lesser opponents!


Why do you think our team always seems to play so well against teams rated better than they are (Bayern, HSV) and so crappy against teams they are supposed to be better than?? (Mainz, Gladbach)


BvM can't fix that. The players have to find that pride on their own or begin to fight for the club and the fans if they won't do it for themselves.