Interesting View

[Drench]

Howdy, Hammers.

As most on here won't know, my family are massive West Ham fans, my father has a season ticket along with my mother and eldest brother. So as you can tell my family are massive west ham fans, but whilst most Hammers are delighted with the signings of Mascherano and Tevez, my family aren't. I at first thought it was weird, not only my families view on the prospect of housing two world class players, but how the transfers were conducted and how much they were signed for. Even my father who has supported West Ham since he was a small boy has suddenly lost heart in West Ham due to these signings that are in his mind "dis-honest and corrupt" and the fact that the club might be bought out by a billionnaire has left him deflated and dejected. He's always had pride in West Ham because it has always been a fans club and he see's with the arrival of these two Argentinians and the possibility of MSI as the death of the club he loves.

What do you make of the signings? What do you make of MSI? Would you feel the same way as my father or do you love the signings and love the prospect of MSI taking over West Ham? Do you think he's over-reacting?

[Footstomper]

Overjoyed and worried as sh1t

[Drench]

Aren't you afraid of becoming the new Chelsea?

[Footstomper]

Aren't you afraid of becoming the new Chelsea?
As I said. worried as sh1t. We'll just ride this beast like some hypergonzoed Hunter S. Thompsom and see where the wave ends.

[ATL_Iron]

Aren't you afraid of becoming the new Chelsea?


Thats a silly post, i would say your just trolling and waiting to see who bites right?

If you actually sat back and thought about it for a min you would be able to answer your own question

[Footstomper]

Thats a silly post, i would say your just trolling and waiting to see who bites right?

If you actually sat back and thought about it for a min you would be able to answer your own question
Nah, look at his team. He's gotta be the real deal

[west_ham]

There's too many unknown variables to tell whether it's good news or not.

When Joorabchian comes clean and puts us all in the picture about who he is and who he is associated with (MSI or other businessmen) then we will all be able to make a better assessment.

[Drench]

Thats a silly post, i would say your just trolling and waiting to see who bites right?

If you actually sat back and thought about it for a min you would be able to answer your own question

I'm not trolling at all, I was asking questions that all, because that's how my father feels and family and I was wondering if you lot on here thought the same.

[ATL_Iron]

I'm not trolling at all, I was asking questions that all, because that's how my father feels and family and I was wondering if you lot on here thought the same.

Well lets think this one through then. If the numbers in the press are to be believed, how do you think we will become "another Chelsea?"

$100 million would not dent the Chelsea finances. Hell they lost $150 million last year alone. Have spent over half a billion on new players and god only knows how much on wages.

So it does not take much effort to work out that "becoming another Chelsea" is not really an option. This is just typical reactionary crap that you see on most West Ham boards and the press to be honest, and all adds to the "circus" that Pards os going on about.

Say we did get the $100 million, and spent it on getting Rio and Joe Cole back in the team, plus improving the Academy. Would your old man be complaining then? Probably not.

I bet your old man was looking for Brown to be replaces a few seasons ago aswell, now he has the chance, all of a sudden your slamming a potential new owner for no good reason. As of yet we dont know if the money s dodgey. If Pards will be inharge or what they are going do with the transfer money> So how about we give who ever it is a chance before we slate them eh?

[Drench]

I'm not slamming anything, I couldn't care what happened to West Ham, I have absolutely nothing to do with the club as I support Dag & Red. My father has always been dead against billionnaires buying into football and he's dead against clubs making themselves a PLC etc.

Perhaps my father is overreacting, but I can see where he is coming from, I wouldn't want my club to become a billionnaires play thing.

I just came on here to find out what other hammers thought of this.

[hammer_scout51]

I'm not slamming anything, I couldn't care what happened to West Ham, I have absolutely nothing to do with the club as I support Dag & Red. My father has always been dead against billionnaires buying into football and he's dead against clubs making themselves a PLC etc.

Perhaps my father is overreacting, but I can see where he is coming from, I wouldn't want my club to become a billionnaires play thing.

I just came on here to find out what other hammers thought of this.


Mate i am probably in the same age group as your folks. I am well up for the takeover and the Argies. For the simple reason the world and football has changed. Not all for the better in my opinion but it will never go back to what it was in my youth.
Mate of mine 10 - 12 years older than me was asked to trial for West Ham and they wanted him to sign. However he was a plasterer by trade and earned very good money. Football then had the wage cap and he turned West Ham down. Of course within a short time Johnny Haynes changed things and he was never considered again.
Now i see every team in the EPL being very vulnerable to take over from here on. So if it happens early in the peace it may just keep us in the EPL.

When i was a kid i used to watch Leytonstone amateur team. I heard some time back they were amalgamated with Redbridge then Dagenham.
So from this neck of the woods its been go Daggers as well as up the ammers.

[Drench]

I can see what you're saying and you are indeed right, I suppose my old man will just have to get used to it. I'm of the opinion that a club showed be owned by someone who can indeed give funds for wages, transfers and stadium running costs. So if a Billionnaire can do that, then I am all for it. I'm sure he'll get used to it. Father is stuck in days of Bobby Moore.

[hammer_scout51]

I can see what you're saying and you are indeed right, I suppose my old man will just have to get used to it. I'm of the opinion that a club showed be owned by someone who can indeed give funds for wages, transfers and stadium running costs. So if a Billionnaire can do that, then I am all for it. I'm sure he'll get used to it. Father is stuck in days of Bobby Moore.


I know where your dad is coming from and wish football could go back to those days.
Bobby Moore was my hero as well, my dog and best mate in Australia is named Bobby Moore.
It will not happen and your dad and i have to move on. As scared for West Ham as i am. I can't see a future unless we do move to join the elite of the new game.

[Hammerette]

If your Dad is worried about dishonest and currupt deals then he should have started worrying about 7 or 8 years ago :D

Let's face it, the blokes we've got in charge now have hardly served with distinction have they. None have invested a penny of their own money, they bleed the fans dry with some of the highest ticket prices in the PL and still find time to have appointed the worst manager possible, get relegated and sell off a third of the England national team.

[Drench]

I know where your dad is coming from and wish football could go back to those days.
Bobby Moore was my hero as well, my dog and best mate in Australia is named Bobby Moore.
It will not happen and your dad and i have to move on. As scared for West Ham as i am. I can't see a future unless we do move to join the elite of the new game.

We had a debate about it last night and he's slowly coming around, I think it's difficult for him to take, especially when he's able to turn around to the likes of Chelsea and their fans and say "at least West Ham is a working class supporters club". I suppose he's just scared of losing what he calls "the special core" of West Ham and what West Ham prides themselves on. In time he will come around by a fair few older West Ham's fans around our part share a similar view.

[Drench]

If your Dad is worried about dishonest and currupt deals then he should have started worrying about 7 or 8 years ago :D

Let's face it, the blokes we've got in charge now have hardly served with distinction have they. None have invested a penny of their own money, they bleed the fans dry with some of the highest ticket prices in the PL and still find time to have appointed the worst manager possible, get relegated and sell off a third of the England national team.

My father isn't niave nor is he stupid, he's known football ever since the wage cap was lifted has slowly become more commericalised and as a result money in football has increased and the tops clubs are those who have capitalised upon this change either by people taking over clubs and pumping money in or clubs being successful and generating.

My father however was haboring vain hope that Alan Pardew could build up overtime a title challenging squad, this view in his eyes were strenghtened after you lot played your hearts out against Liverpool in the FA Cup final.

I don't know much about Terrance Brown and the West Ham board, so I won't comment on something I know very little about, however they have given funds for Pardew to aid him and you on your way back up to the top and to stay in the top league, if you want a bad chairman and board, I suggest you look at Fulham's, now that's bad. :D

[west_ham]

Fair enough. Brown has committed himself towards doing his bit in taking us back up to the top half of the PL. But he can only take us so far.

We will never be able to compete with the top 4, maybe even the top 6, on a permenant basis without a massive cash injection.

Chelsea have proved that money is half the battle and without it it is almost impossible to expect to finish in the top 4.

Everton and Tottenham have both challenged for that 4th place finish and both have proved that it is possible in one season (even if Spurms did miss out) but to do it every year the club needs to become a big club and this involves money.

So whether we like it or not if we want big success we need big money. We can't get away from that fact. I just hope that if we do become a top 4 contender there is more to our club than just money, which is what makes Chelsea so boring in my books.

[Drench]

I absolutely agree with what you have written, you need a cash injection as money is half the battle as you say. I think Father's main worry and my brother to some extent (although my brother wants Brown gone, as he feels it's time for a change) feel that West Ham's identity could be tarnished if someone like Ambramovich comes in and splashes out, if you see what I mean? My brother in particulary wants to see a new chairman in, but doesn't want to see Pardew spending about a hundred million a season or something ridiculous, he wants Pardew and future managers to spend wisely. My father is warming to the idea but he's deeply concerned that West Ham will be seen as a new Chelsea and just another club with money and the reputation the Irons have made down the years and all the past glory will be forgotten by many because of big money.

So it boils down to club indentity in my household, I have to say I can see where they are coming from, but I keep telling them they should be more concerned with a trip to Italy. :D

Thanks for the contribution guys, it's greatly appreciated.

[TheNewOrleansHammer]

[QUOTE=Drench] My father is warming to the idea but he's deeply concerned that West Ham will be seen as a new Chelsea and just another club with money and the reputation the Irons have made down the years and all the past glory will be forgotten by many because of big money.

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We all worry about this. Lets keep AP and let him do his thing(not the dance) with all the money he needs to do it. That for me would be lovely.

[ballard45]

I think we are in very interesting times. I see UEFA today is showing alarm at the way Chelsea is being bankrolled, yet is making huge losses as a business.

Bottom line is that there have to be some restrictions brought in to control the manner in which clubs operate.

In Oz, about 20 years ago the powers that be brought in a Salary Cap for all clubs. At the time everyone was against it. Supporters thought it was unfair and the more popular clubs believed that they were being harshly dealt with. However 20 years on and we have a highly competitive competition where clubs have to recruit well. The actual success of the football club as a business is treated as a business.

I realise that we are talking a much smaller scale here but it is a model that could be used. Yes clubs and supporters of the so called 'big' clubs will moan but seriously are we not better off having a competition where we don't go into a season knowing that the top 4 places are spoken for before a goal is scored and Europe is only for a select few. I for one would love to see a club like Notts County have the ability to restructure and know that if they run the club professionally, recruit smartly etc then it is possibile in time to compete at the highest level.

Whilst I am always happy to see WHUFC being able to compete at the highest level, I don't believe that the answer to on-going success of the league revolves around finding mega-rich Russians.